Costume.

[Saint]

But the point of the nose and that domino mask in the comics was the same generic domino mask we've seen many times before, and they are Earth made. This should be a departure from that.

So your argument is that because it doesn't have a point it looks less like an Earth convention? Really? And you feel your position is less ridiculous than people who want the nose to have a point? Come on. It looks no more alien than any other domino mask shape they could have used. It does look more silly, though.

And really, he's wearing an identifiable domino mask and a symbol on his chest--he already features very obvious Earth-born design conventions. A pointy nose isn't going to tip the scales.

This thing is alien and is apart of him. It makes sense for it to be more organic than mechanical. It should be more unrecognizeable. No angular designs of any kind. This is all stuff artists draw. You couldn't really pull off the same look for this on paper and the other way around.

Of course you could. Alien doesn't mean "Not angular." Alien could just as easily be all angles, everywhere, all the time. The organic look is what they chose, but there are absolutely alternatives, and it's a waste of time to pretend otherwise.

 

[Octoberist]

again, I hope they'll tweak the mask a bit. I'm thinking it might be a rush job.

 

[Saint]

You mean how some artists draw a GL logo hologram in front of his chest? Its cool but it could be distracting.
Btw i'm not getting the vein vibe. It looks more like his muscles and tendons or rather a glowing computer microchip or whatever these things are called.

No, I don't mean the GL logo hologram (though they should have used that, too, and and a design extrapolating that might also be cool). I don't think I can describe what's in my head any better than I already have, so I apologize if my description wasn't very helpful.

 

[Saint]

again, I hope they'll tweak the mask a bit. I'm thinking it might be a rush job.

I don't think they'd publish it if they weren't committed to the design. Anything's possible, but I wouldn't put money on it.

 

[Boom]

I'm hoping the mask is just a poor photoshop job. The suit itself I can live with just fine. But the mask is weird, and highly distracting. It just looks bad in that picture.

 

[Milkman95]

I couldn't disagree more. Spiderman has possibly the best designed costume in the whole genre, Iron Man's suit was probably the main draw for people who didn't have any idea of who Tony Starks was, The Hulk's "costume" if you will, consists of ripped pants, and Superman is impossible to tinker with just from the sheer uproar that would cause. For pete's sake, people had issues with the size of his "S" in Superman Returns, surely you recall that?

GL's costume, for a live action movie would look silly, and that's just my opinion, we can agree to disagree

Totally agree with this - I love this GL suit design, and it's pretty close to being faithful, I don't see what the big deal is.

Thanks for reminding me of how trivial and ridiculous the debates got on Routh's Superman suit, LOL. Everything was there on that, and people still got REALLY critical, so I'm not surprised with the reaction to this either.

 

[sabetoonth]

No, I don't mean the GL logo hologram (though they should have used that, too, and and a design extrapolating that might also be cool). I don't think I can describe what's in my head any better than I already have, so I apologize if my description wasn't very helpful.

you could try drawing up a picture?

 

[Saint]

you could try drawing up a picture?

I could, but it's doubtful I would be successful in adequately communicating what I'm talking about.

In the meantime, Bunk's design (while not the holographic-style alternative I was referring to), is pretty kick ass. It's more traditional in terms of material and less futuristic than it could be, but I love the idea of making the green parts of the suit look like a star map, and the solution to the white glove problem is cool.

 

[Saint]

I couldn't disagree more. Spiderman has possibly the best designed costume in the whole genre, Iron Man's suit was probably the main draw for people who didn't have any idea of who Tony Starks was, The Hulk's "costume" if you will, consists of ripped pants, and Superman is impossible to tinker with just from the sheer uproar that would cause. For pete's sake, people had issues with the size of his "S" in Superman Returns, surely you recall that?

I'm sorry, you don't seem to be making a relevant point. I argued that those costumes demonstrated that faithful adaption of superhero designs is possible, and though you opened your paragraph saying that you disagree with me, you went on to say nothing that actually refutes my argument.

Indeed, the pattern of Green Lantern's costume is very similar to that of Spider-Man's (which you suggest is the best in the genre), so I assign zero credibility to your insistence that Green Lantern's costume would somehow look silly where Spider-Man's does not.

Incidentally, with regards to your Hulk comment, the character's design is more than what he's wearing.

 

[maenalus]

The white gloves aren't a problem.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Donna Troy is now a GL?

But seriously, very cool design. If they went down the traditional route, that would have been a good design.

 

[sabetoonth]

give it a shot anyway, its better then leaving it to words*shrugs*

 

[Saint]

The white gloves aren't a problem.

I agree, but many feel they are a problem, which is why I wrote it that way.

 

[Doc Samson]

I'm sorry, you don't seem to be making a relevant point. I argued that those costumes demonstrated that faithful adaption of superhero designs is possible, and though you opened your paragraph saying that you disagree with me, you went on to say nothing that actually refutes my argument.

Indeed, the pattern of Green Lantern's costume is very similar to that of Spider-Man's (which you suggest is the best in the genre), so I assign zero credibility to your insistence that Green Lantern's costume would somehow look silly where Spider-Man's does not.

Incidentally, with regards to your Hulk comment, the character's design is more than what he's wearing.

You might want to read again, every one of those characters you mentioned have better designs for a live action film than GL does. And for the one who doesn't, he happens to be the most iconic Superhero of them all, and because of that, any change to him is met with stark criticism. There's nothing at all similar between the classic Hal Jordan costume and Spiderman's suit in terms of viability for the general audience, the audience which makes up the biggest percentage of the box office, mind you. On top of that, Peter Parker doesn't even take himself seriously while in costume (at least he isn't supposed to, traditionally) Hal Jordan couldn't be anymore different.

Guys like you fail to understand that these movies aren't really made for "us," the fanboys, essentially, because we're not the mass market to reach. These films have to suspend the belief of people who probably aren't familiar with the characters because they think comic books are silly in the first place. It would be different if GL was like the Adam West Batman, who could prance around in spandex while hamming it up, or The Fantastic Four who are inherently silly characters, and even they still couldn't get away with it. GL needs credibility with the general public in order to be taken as a serious adventure. I can almost guarantee you, if he were floating around in tights, the whole premise doesn't stand a chance

 

[Doc Samson]

Totally agree with this - I love this GL suit design, and it's pretty close to being faithful, I don't see what the big deal is.

Thanks for reminding me of how trivial and ridiculous the debates got on Routh's Superman suit, LOL. Everything was there on that, and people still got REALLY critical, so I'm not surprised with the reaction to this either.

That was one of the more ridiculous debates, but it just illustrates the point. Somethings are ripe for discussion, and somethings are just trivial. Ironically, somehow Routh and his "costume" came out of SR as the bright spot in most fans estimation, just like that Ledger guy as well....

 

[Doctor Jones]

So your argument is that because it doesn't have a point it looks less like an Earth convention? Really? And you feel your position is less ridiculous than people who want the nose to have a point? Come on. It looks no more alien than any other domino mask shape they could have used. It does look more silly, though.

And really, he's wearing an identifiable domino mask and a symbol on his chest--he already features very obvious Earth-born design conventions. A pointy nose isn't going to tip the scales.

Of course you could. Alien doesn't mean "Not angular." Alien could just as easily be all angles, everywhere, all the time. The organic look is what they chose, but there are absolutely alternatives, and it's a waste of time to pretend otherwise.

The domino mask used in the comics is the same mask used form Earth bound heroes where artists draw stuff that is earth influenced. It doesn't look alien. Just the same type we've seen on Superman and Flash. It looks no different. The CG artists got to take the alien idea and develop it alot more than they could with drawing on paper. Of course it's not gonna tip the scales, but every little thing helps to differentiate itself from earth bound costumes.

There were other alternatives of course. But they went with this one instead. Are you basing your opinion off of what you wanted as an alternative or are you more open? Not to be a jerk I'm just asking.

 

[Saint]

You might want to read again, every one of those characters you mentioned have better designs for a live action film than GL does.

I've already explained why I feel GL is uniquely suited for adaptation, your "No it's not" response provides no particularly compelling countertargument.

There's nothing at all similar between the classic Hal Jordan costume and Spiderman's suit in terms of viability for the general audience

Okay, explain exactly what differences exist between Spider-Man's costume and Hal Jordan's that make the former viable in live action and the latter inviable. If anything, I would say that the colours, webbing, and mask design make Spider-Man's design perhaps more difficult to adapt faithfully than Green Lantern.

Guys like you fail to understand that these movies aren't really made for "us," the fanboys,

You don't know what type of "guy" I am, apparently. In fact, I understand that reality perfectly. I disagree that reality requires such a drastic departure from Green Lantern's design, and you have failed to provide any argument as to why it would.

I can almost guarantee you, if he were floating around in tights, the whole premise doesn't stand a chance

Thank you for demonstrating the depth of your midsunderstanding. Had you bothered to read a single post I have written in this thread (or anywhere on the Hype, ever) you would understand that what I want has nothing to do with "tights."

If you're not going to take the time to understand what I write, then don't waste my time by responding to it.

 

[maenalus]

I don't think they'd publish it if they weren't committed to the design. Anything's possible, but I wouldn't put money on it.

Yeah, wouldn't make much sense to make a rush job your big splashy debut.

 

[M.O.Steel]

i like it. I do hope that the color scheme does exist tho instead of "solid" green color. and all those who see the distinct colors, gimme a break... not say it wont be there, but you can't tell from that pic. the green is probably throwing everything off.

there is also the possiblity that it is really all black, and light fibers just creates the illusion of the green areas.

 

[Doc Samson]

I've already explained why I feel GL is uniquely suited for adaptation, your "No it's not" response provides no particularly compelling countertargument.


Okay, explain exactly what differences exist between Spider-Man's costume and Hal Jordan's that make the former viable in live action and the latter inviable. If anything, I would say that the colours, webbing, and mask design make Spider-Man's design perhaps more difficult to adapt faithfully than Green Lantern.


You don't know what type of "guy" I am, apparently. In fact, I understand that reality perfectly. I disagree that reality requires such a drastic departure from Green Lantern's design, and you have failed to provide any argument as to why it would.


Thank you for demonstrating the depth of your midsunderstanding. Had you bothered to read a single post I have written in this thread (or anywhere on the Hype, ever) you would understand that what I want has nothing to do with "tights."

If you're not going to take the time to understand what I write, then don't waste my time by responding to it.

You do a convenient job of omitting everything that answers your asinine views, but alas, this is to expected. And trust me, if your on a superhero messageboard, your a fanboy, just like me. Which isn't any disrespect by the way, I'm just confident in my manhood to not take offense to it. And to be perfectly honest, you started with me, I wasn't talking about you at all, a few people posted their displeasure with his mask, I'm just pointing out the silliness in the whole discussion. Feel free to leave me out your questionable mind

 

[Showtime]

I don't love the reveal of the suit. I don't love the look of the suit. However, I will wait till we get a better shot.

Also, I was told that isn't necessarily the final version of what we are going to see on screen.

 

[M.O.Steel]

i think this is a pretty nice equivalent of the "all-green"

 

[The Guard]

Something no one has mentioned...beyond the fact that it's a "generic domino mask" usually, might the altered nosepiece on the mask be their attempt to further distinguish him from Batman?

I'm not sure what all the talk about this design being vague and people not sure what they're seeing is. I get that it doesn't instantly jump right out fo you, but anyone who knows what Green Lantern's costume looks like should be able to distinguish the basic elements very clearly after about five seconds of looking at it.

And do people honestly not get that this is a black and green suit? Why would it be dark green and green? Why would designers do that?

 

[Saint]

The domino mask used in the comics is the same mask used form Earth bound heroes where artists draw stuff that is earth influenced. It doesn't look alien.

Yes, that's right. The mask they used also does not look alien; it just looks like a different type of domino mask (a sillier looking one).

but every little thing helps that makes it stand out above earth bound costumes.

I don't agree that this mask does that. Perhaps if it had a texture of highlights like the rest of the costume, but it doesn't--and in that case, the shape would still be irrelevant to that concern.

Are you basing your opinion off of what you wanted as an alternative or are you more open? Not to be a jerk I'm just asking.

Both. The faithful option is certainly viable and I would like to see it, but as I always say when people ask me on the Batman forums, there are a lot of approaches that would work just fine. In this case, more futuristic and less futuristic are both fine, and I'm not going to freak over things like white gloves or changing the patterning, though I prefer the faithful option. The things that don't work for me on this costume are the mask, the cloudy, indistinct green and black colouring, and the organic look. I could forgive the organic look if the other two problems were fixed, but all together they create a costume I just don't care for.

As for looking alien, well the ring operates on the directives of the wearer, so creating a costume informed by Earth conventions is no less credible to me than creating one that looks alien. I would say appearing energetic and futuristic are more critical concerns than appearing alien, and they have succeeded in those respects, so that's a plus--I just disagree with the particular approach they've taken in doing so.

 

[The Squirrel]

It's both awesome and terrible at the same time. I'm so conflicted.