Could Ultron be...?

Discussion in 'The Avengers Sequels' started by Hazelnut624, Jun 1, 2013.

  1. cherokeesam SHIELD Director Coulson

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    I disagree strongly with your opinion of IM3, VictorShade; but agree strongly with your opinion of Ultron being a Tony Stark creation.

    Again, Ultron's story is unique in the admittedly overcrowded world of killer robotics in his/its relationship with Hank Pym. Not just the Oedipal storyline; but what also adds to the Greek tragedy is the fact that Pym is such a nebbish. Pym is a born loser, a nice guy who tries too hard to measure up to the (literal) gods in his midst, and fails spectacularly most of the time. Ultron is the most visible example of this. Tony Stark, OTOH, is the luckiest sumbeech on the planet, who can *never* do wrong, even when he tries. So foisting Ultron on *his* shoulders lessens not just Hank Pym, but Tony Stark as well.

    No thanks.
     
  2. metaphysician Not a Side-Kick

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    Eh, Tony Stark does plenty of wrong. Its just, unlike Pym, he actually has a decent heroic core that lets him get back up, and try to fix his mistakes. Stark is a flawed hero; Pym is merely a terrible one. If I had to give the most positive spin on Pym I can manage, it would be that he really should have ended up a mad scientist *villain*; for various reasons, though, he struggles against his nature and tries to be a hero instead, with only marginal success.
     
  3. Rock Sexton Registered

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    Dramatic much? LOL
     
  4. Norrin Parker Majestor of the Shi'ar

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    I always wanted Paul Bettany to play the Vision so I think I'd be okay with Jarvis becoming vision somehow
     
  5. jaqua99 ....I need a horse!

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    That's called "Passion", Rock...Passion :oldrazz:
     
  6. Vartha Mod of Thunder

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    oh no another ROCK? RockPassion?
    wait never mind....that could go places it shouldn't
     
  7. Ant-manic Registered

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    so you haven't read Armor Wars? that was all about Stark's technology getting into the wrongs hands and him having to go to extreme measure to stop it. pretty much any inventor could play this role.
     
  8. Ant-manic Registered

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    they could introduce Janet into the Avengers, to start with. then have Ultron appear as Pym (using his form, at first); having drawn out the Oedipus Complex to the point where he has replaced his father. then it would be primarily a jan story; since Whedon likes her.
     
  9. Ant-manic Registered

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    to give Janet Van Dyne powers, of course. and he could be a love interest in the same way that Jane Foster is Thor's.
     
  10. VictorShade Registered

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  11. Blake II Registered

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    I wish I could rep you.

    So much this.
     
  12. Karyyk Registered

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    This. A thousand times over...this.

    There can be no Ultron without Hank Pym. Now, does Marvel get this?
     
  13. Human Torch Registered

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    :up:

    Dare I say,(especially after the whole Mandarin situation) Marvel been actin' just a liiiiiiiitle too cocky for their own good.They've been pretty good about sticking to source for the most part,but I get the feeling they think they can do no wrong at this point.
     
  14. jaqua99 ....I need a horse!

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    they aren' that stupid...ant-man comes out shortly after...there WILL be ties
     
  15. Just_Human Registered

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    what if Antman is actually a prequel to all the Avengers movies (except for Cap America of course) ?
     
  16. Hazelnut624 Registered

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    Hey, remember when I suggested this and you all thought I was crazy.
     
  17. jaqua99 ....I need a horse!

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    And still do. Jarvis isn't becoming Ultron
     
  18. Hazelnut624 Registered

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    Jarvis will rise.
     
  19. Shikamaru Registered

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    Thank you. Brilliantly put. :up:

    There is no excuse for the way Marvel has treated Hank Pym. Not only has he been robbed already of his status as one of the most important member on the team by making him appear so late into the game, but robbing him from Ultron has also robbed him of all of his most interesting character arcs.

    The way Marvel is treating Hank Pym is no different than how Fox treated Cyclops, maybe even a bit worse. Both major members on each respective team who both had their importance to their team downplayed and were robbed of their most interesting aspects. But of course that Marvel gets away with it.
     
    #44 Shikamaru, Sep 12, 2013
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    Well, maybe Antman will a prequel movie
     

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