The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Critic bias towards this franchise?

[DarthSkywalker]

That's exactly right. I inadvertently fell into that trap a bit myself with MoS when the reviews started coming out, I genuinely thought the first batch of negative reviews were too busy comparing the film to the original Superman and not reviewing the movie itself, I was letting my fondness for DC comics influence my thinking. When I brushed off my own DC bias and remembered who the director was I realized that the only reason they were bringing up the original Superman was because the film obviously wasn't delivering a good experience in the first place. It's perfectly fine to love a particular character or set of characters, but it's also important not to let your emotions get in the way when someone says something you don't want to hear. The truth is they may well be right.

Perfectly put jmc. MOS was a trying experience for me as well in that regard. He is afterall my favorite. But I think I have gotten to the point that I realize reviews are just others opinions. I may agree, disagree or even find some useless. But that does not define the movie for me nor should I lash out just because someone's opinion is different for whatever reason.

 

[spiderman2]

I liked MOS but my hype is way way higher for this movie then it was for that movie.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I liked MOS but my hype is way way higher for this movie then it was for that movie.

As it should be. You are after all a Spider-Man fan. I think the most important thing is to take reviews for what they are, other people's opinions. As a fan of Spidey, you will be seeing this in theaters, so there is no reason to be dragged down by negative reviews. You will be able to judge for yourself soon enough.

 

[JayTee]

As it should be. You are after all a Spider-Man fan. I think the most important thing is to take reviews for what they are, other people's opinions. As a fan of Spidey, you will be seeing this in theaters, so there is no reason to be dragged down by negative reviews. You will be able to judge for yourself soon enough.

Exactly! And oh my god the "tangled plot lines" complaint. Really? This movie!? It was dirt simple to follow the like 4 stories and over 2 hours feels like one. I'd hate to be one of these critics if they had to watch a movie that was AcTually overstuffed.

"Parents, Harry, Electro, romance? Wahhhh!!!! My brain is exploding! So hard to juggle 4 things!" P***ys. Winter Soldier had way more tangled crap and world building and I loved it. ASM2 is simple, flows incredibly well and I loved it too.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Exactly! And oh my god the "tangled plot lines" complaint. Really? This movie!? It was dirt simple to follow the like 4 stories and over 2 hours feels like one. I'd hate to be one of these critics if they had to watch a movie that was AcTually overstuffed.

"Parents, Harry, Electro, romance? Wahhhh!!!! My brain is exploding! So hard to juggle 4 things!" P***ys. Winter Soldier had way more tangled crap and world building and I loved it. ASM2 is simple, flows incredibly well and I loved it too.

Sounds good to me.

It is so... well frustrating at this point. Dissecting critics, watching others discuss their experience. I think that is one major reason these things boil over these days. The wait in the US gives us all here just a bit more time to think, and that isn't always a good thing.

 

[spiderman2]

While also my hype for this movie is a lot higher then MOS because form previews this movie looks while amazing where MOS looked good but didn't look like it was going to be special to me like this movie.

 

[TeeKay]

If more were as confident in their opinions or feelings on a film as you TeeKay or Spider-Fan and I SEE SPIDEY, I don't think we'd see as much backlash against critics. But alas, the search for fanboy validation will go on imo. It is a cycle here. After TASM2 will come DoFP and then GotG, so on and so forth.

Well put. The critic's opinion shouldn't matter, it's your own opinion of the film that counts. I know we as fans see these films from a different perspective because we know the source material and these characters. That can cloud our judgement but you have to watch the film from both the general audience's perspective and the fan perspective which is why I always try and see these CBMs twice before giving my final opinion.

Exactly! Critics are just paid for their opinions. That doesn't mean your opinion is any less valid, whether it be enjoying something critics hated or vice versa.

Well said.

 

[LizardMan07]

Should probably say publically that I am thoroughly embarrassed for my posts last night and I feel I completely missed the point of the thread. My new signature reflects this

 

[Webhead38]

I think the critics have been overly NICE to this film given their reviews don't like it that much, but they plug it fresh for Rotten Tomatoes anyway. Spider-man certainly is getting some good will in that respects, but the movie itself has to stand on it's own. Historically Spider-man has done quite well with critics, so if this one finally hits a rotten rating, I think it's fair to say it's because it was not done that well.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

No, you just can't say anything like that. A rotten rating doesn't prove that a movie was not done that well, it's all opinions, and that's only the ten thousandth time we've said this. Some movies just have elements that work for the majority of people, I have no doubt that Webb, Andy, Emma, the producers & execs tested the movie as well as they could and legit think that the movie is good.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Sounds good to me.

It is so... well frustrating at this point. Dissecting critics, watching others discuss their experience. I think that is one major reason these things boil over these days. The wait in the US gives us all here just a bit more time to think, and that isn't always a good thing.

Tell me about it. I'm doing my best to go into this movie with an open mind and in the end I think I'll be able to do just that, however, it does make for a challenge having over two weeks of people already discussing the movie at lengths. But, I think this is the first time the shoe has been on the other foot so to speak. The US gets the movie before the international markets in most cases.

As for the critics being biased, well, I don't really see any of that and even if they are being biased, I really don't care.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It's only realistic that there would be some bias because this reboot has came almost back to back with the Raimi films

 

[Flint Marko]

If a movie is well made, I firmly believe most critics would put aside some sort of preconceived notion they might possibly have about the reboots and give the film an honest rating. I don't buy into conspiracies against certain movies and critics. I think the genre as a whole isn't widely respected amongst them all, but I generally believe they all more or less get the ratings they deserve.

 

[chaseter]

So ASM got rotten reviews from critics for being "unnessesary" in doing the origin story. Ok you have a point but I think it's unfair but I can understand.

Now lots of critics are bashing it acgually because it's also f***ing unnessesary? F*** off. These critics should bury their head in shame. It's just childish, it's actually disgusting to think that these people are paid to have well thought out opinions but clearly they have the a very flawed and biased mindset. This is a lesson that critics are no more of value than yourselves. Critics that don't like ASM2 are fine but because it's "unnessesary" because you suffer from the horrible disease that is fanboyism then you need to simply grow up. Really pathetic how ignorant some people are it's actually unreal.

How about they make a better movie? That's too easy though right? It's gotta be that there is a critic conspiracy.

GG makes the best of the terrible threads.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

No, not really, critics are simple human beings, we all have biases, it's like people not wanting to see a movie, and surprise, when they see it, they hate it. Some people are willing to admit that a movie is good even when they don't want to like it, but not most, at least in my opinion.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Everyone is bias towards something

for example i may end up hating the new TMNT reboot purely because i grew up with the original movie and i am already picking the reboot apart rather then giving it a chance, and yet it has more of an advantage with the advanced CGI effects that you can pull off some really cool stuff so who knows i might like it but my nostalgia is always likely to make me say... the original was better the reboot just wasn't as good because ect ect

 

[Joe_Kickass]

No, not really, critics are simple human beings, we all have biases, it's like people not wanting to see a movie, and surprise, when they see it, they hate it. Some people are willing to admit that a movie is good even when they don't want to like it, but not most, at least in my opinion.

You do realize though that it's a critic's job to watch movies, dozens of movies, every single year, ones that vary widely in quality? They don't see just a handful of movies a year like most people do, so you can't blame them for having high standards. You can't blame them for being jaded or sick of watching certain types of movies where original/unique ones come maybe once a year, if that, amongst a ton of others.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

If a movie is well made, I firmly believe most critics would put aside some sort of preconceived notion they might possibly have about the reboots and give the film an honest rating. I don't buy into conspiracies against certain movies and critics. I think the genre as a whole isn't widely respected amongst them all, but I generally believe they all more or less get the ratings they deserve.

Pretty much. This is about fanboys freaking out that their movie isn't getting the critical acclaim they would like it too, its a defensive kneejerk reaction that's pretty overblown when you consider the movie's still sitting in the 70% range and is totally reasonable for what is essentially the Fifth movie in a franchise (and one that is covering same of the same ground as its predecessors).

 

[Joe_Kickass]

Everyone is bias towards something

And bias goes both ways. I guranatee you bias runs deeper here than it does with the RT critics. A LOT deeper.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

No way Joe, you just stumbled onto a great discovery !

 

[Shikamaru]

If the film does end up happening the same flaws as the first, I don't think I'll be able to defend the franchise this time. As I said in the past, there is no excuse why the flaws in the first film should be present in the second film and going forward. Especially with the first film being them just testing the waters and setting things up for greater things to come (at least that was the intended goal).

I'm still looking forward to the film but if it isn't great, DarthSkywalker and jmc have a point.

 

[Joe_Kickass]

No way Joe, you just stumbled onto a great discovery !

I know you're being sarcastic, but you almost don't even need to be.

 

[henzINNIT]

Mentions of unnecessary reboot come up when a critic see's nothing of value in the film. I didn't see much "bias" against Batman Begins, because it was good enough to warrant its existence.

 

[GuestStar2004]

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[Joe_Kickass]

Mentions of unnecessary reboot come up when a critic see's nothing of value in the film. I didn't see much "bias" against Batman Begins, because it was good enough to warrant its existence.

It's like having two different adaptations of a single book and one of them comes along a few years after the first, and it's worse. Calling the movie a cash-grab is a legit statement, technically all films are cash-grabs, but not all films are referred to as such. Context is important, how something is pulled off in comparison to its' peers is important. No film exists in a vacuum, and some people need to come to terms with this rather than just cry foul from the get go.