The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Critic bias towards this franchise?

[TeeKay]

I don't even get what you're trying to say with your first point. So ya...


And no, it cannot be said about Gwen. Gwen is smart. As smart as Peter with aspirations in her field and education and knows what she wants at all times. Thus, we know what she wants at all times.

Yes it does. What did Gwen want in the first film? What was her arc? Didn't you say: "Her life and her choices were never properly explored for her to be anything other than a goal. A plot point. An achievement." What choices of Gwen were explored in the first film? That's right, nothing. She's just more likeable than MJ and she's was smarter but that dpesn't mean **** if she has no arc. Only in TASM2 is when she knows what she wants, her goals and where she wants to take her life. Gwen is just as much of a plot point as MJ was in the original trilogy. Gwen plays a major role in the climaxes of both films.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

To everyone that likes to nitpick the reboot franchise and think the Rami trilogy is gold, please watch the Cinema Sins videos of the entire trilogy, its hilarious and some of it is very true. Also, I don't hate the Rami movies, they are good but the reboot gets somethings right that I enjoy more than the Rami movies.

Everything wrong with Spider Man 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aphO1Zd2kg

Everything wrong with Spider Man 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua8C_vsEc50

Everything wrong with Spider Man 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrDwtLl1p0A

 

[Doctor Octopus]

To everyone that likes to nitpick the reboot franchise and think the Rami trilogy is gold, please watch the Cinema Sins videos of the entire trilogy, its hilarious and some of it is very true. Also, I don't hate the Rami movies, they are good but the reboot gets somethings right that I enjoy more than the Rami movies.

Everything wrong with Spider Man 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aphO1Zd2kg

Everything wrong with Spider Man 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua8C_vsEc50

Everything wrong with Spider Man 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrDwtLl1p0A

Nobody takes those videos seriously because you're not supposed to. They are tongue in cheek videos that even list things like being based on DC comics as a flaw. That's how silly and tongue in cheek they are.

Did you watch their one for The Amazing Spider-Man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy-v4c4is-w

Just wait until they get stuck into the sequel.

 

[TeeKay]

To everyone that likes to nitpick the reboot franchise and think the Rami trilogy is gold, please watch the Cinema Sins videos of the entire trilogy, its hilarious and some of it is very true. Also, I don't hate the Rami movies, they are good but the reboot gets somethings right that I enjoy more than the Rami movies.

Everything wrong with Spider Man 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aphO1Zd2kg

Everything wrong with Spider Man 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua8C_vsEc50

Everything wrong with Spider Man 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrDwtLl1p0A

You forgot this one too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy-v4c4is-w

 

[Doctor Octopus]

You forgot this one too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy-v4c4is-w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2KSPiTOMR8

Or this one.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Nobody takes those videos seriously because you're not supposed to. They are tongue in cheek videos that even list things like being based on DC comics as a flaw. That's how silly and tongue in cheek they are.

Did you watch their one for The Amazing Spider-Man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy-v4c4is-w

Just wait until they get stuck into the sequel.

I know but SOME of the complaints he mentions are legit plot holes or other errors in the movies. But overall, the videos are for laughs but still point out that no movie is perfect or without errors.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Honest Trailers and "everything wrong with..." is just a joke. They can do this for any movie without bias.

 

[Neno_Kos]

Did you see ASM2?

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[MessiahDecoy123]

Honest Trailers and "everything wrong with..." is just a joke. They can do this for any movie without bias.

It wouldn't be funny if the points weren't at least partially true.

 

[Picard Sisko]

It wouldn't be funny if the points weren't at least partially true.

Well there is always a truth to what the guy is saying as he points out everything in the film as he is explaining it. But these things are usually nitpicks are small details that most people wouldn't notice. None of these videos have lowered my opinions of any of the films that were used. I laugh at every single one of them, even when they pick my favorite movies.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Honest Trailers is a parody. Most of the stuff they do they like.

 

[chaseter]

The reboots get slammed more because they didn't do anything to up the bar for the character movie wise and genre wise as well as they didn't make a great movie period. It's a mediocre, standard, run of the mill effort that will forever live in the shadows of its predecessor until it does something....amazing. Pun intended. I don't see that happening with Marc Webb and Sony.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Well sony is still the company that gave us Spider-Man 1 & 2. At some point or another a good Spider-Man film is likely to happen.

 

[chaseter]

That is true but Sony imo is more focused on money right now because of their dire financial straits. That's why they pushed this movie out in 2 years. Remember when everyone hated Fox for ruining X-Men? Now it seems that they have learned their lesson. First Class was great and Bryan Singer is back so we will see.

 

[The Joker]

The reboots get slammed more because they didn't do anything to up the bar for the character movie wise and genre wise as well as they didn't make a great movie period. It's a mediocre, standard, run of the mill effort that will forever live in the shadows of its predecessor until it does something....amazing. Pun intended. I don't see that happening with Marc Webb and Sony.

Hear hear

 

[LizardMan07]

There was actually a few moments in TASM2 when I thought "oh, that's going on cinemasins"

 

[TayDee]

Of course there's bias. People still love those other films. And neither of these films were perfect. The first film missed the mark, but this one, for me at least, is my favorite SM movie.

 

[chaseter]

People still love those films because they are better films. No not everyone agrees with that statement but the proof is in the reviews and box office. There are four types of films: great movies, good movies, terrible movies, and event movies. The fourth type can be any one of the other three but it doesn't matter to the box office. Transformers is an example of an event movie. It makes a **** load of money but they are not good movies. Spider-Man is just riding along the fence now. ASM1 wasn't even the movie of the summer and neither will this one be. They are just run of the mill summer movies and that's not good enough for fans, critics, or the GA.

 

[Picard Sisko]

People still love those films because they are better films. No not everyone agrees with that statement but the proof is in the reviews and box office.

There is seriously a lot wrong with what you're saying. The Raimi films are not definitively better movies. Reviews and B.O. revenue do not equal proof either. Such a terrible argument on your part.

 

[chaseter]

There is seriously a lot wrong with what you're saying. The Raimi films are not definitively better movies. Reviews and B.O. revenue do not equal proof either. Such a terrible argument on your part.

I clarified that a bit further in my lengthened post. Someone can love ASM2 and say SM1-3 were awful films. That is their opinion to have and that's fine. But, when you are talking with someone who thinks the critics are biased because the critics don't love the movie that they themselves love so much, then you have to show that it's probably not just the critics because you have less of a GA turn out. There's a reason for that and it's not because the movie is a better movie. Box office does not equal quality definitely but it can go hand in hand with reviews of the quality. Sometimes good movies make a lot of money like Skyfall. Sometimes bad movies make a lot of money like Transformers 2.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

I like the Rami movies as much as the next fan, however they are NOT perfect. Even back when the movies were hot, I wasn't thrilled with Toby and Kristen as Peter and MJ. Like I said before, I thought Toby was dull and lacked personality. As spider man he lacked a key personality trait, HUMOR! Spider Man makes wise cracks during battle and Toby didn't do that . I am not saying he should have been throwing one liners out every two seconds, but here and there wouldn't have hurt. Spider man's light hearted personality is a key element and it wasn't there. Also, organic web shooters??? That ain't spider man...

Then we get to the weak and bland portrayal of MJ by Kristen Dunst. She poorly written and was just a victim/ damsel in distress in all three movies. Some claim she was a strong character because she got away from an abusive home. But that was poorly done as her backstory was barely touched on and it was ONE scene in Spiderman 1 out of three movies. In SM1- 3 she cheats on dudes She is in relationship with! What the heck is that? Then her stupidly being captured all three movies is just lazy.

De Foe was serviceable as Norman but his green goblin costume looked like a power rangers villain. Franco was okay as Harry but spiderman 3 just killed the character figuratively and literally. Doc Ock was the only villain in the Rami movies that was done justice. Venom's appearance was a joke as well as Sandman. Jameson however, was probably the only spot on character that I would love to see carry over into the reboot movies.


Also, anyone notice that during the web slinging scenes, his webs are attaching to nothing. Similar to the video games where he web slings thin air lol.
I can't make a judgment on ASM 2 as I haven't seen it yet, but I will say I think some people are too harsh on this franchise. The original trilogy was good and set the standard for super hero movies, but they are far from perfect films.

 

[Human Torch]

I'm hoping Garfield doesn't go overboard with the "New Yawker Spidey" accent that he had in the first film. *shudder*

 

[TayDee]

I dislike when people speak as if what they say are facts

 

[jmc]

So I've gone over the last few pages with interest. I think the whole 'unnecessary' criticism can be best summed up in that if you're going to do something that's similar to something else, at the very least do something interesting with the concept otherwise you're kinda wasting everyone's time.

I do think it's a justifiable criticism for ASM1, especially when the marketing campaign for the film was very heavy in its approach that this was the 'Untold Story'. Not only did we not get an untold story, it wasn't even a very interesting revamp of the original story, in many ways all that happened was we were given a darker setting, change of villain and a new leading lady.

 

[The Endless]

I feel like they wanted to do more with the mystery surrounding his parents in the first ASM. But nothing interesting really happened. The idea was in place, execution was lacking.

They may have expanded on that aspect in this sequel, i dunno, haven't seen it yet. But if the first film of a proposed trilogy isn't that good and it leaves threads dangling... why should i go to see the sequel?