Justice League Danny Elfman Scoring Justice League - Part 1

[I Am The Knight]

SD’s right. Chip’s a good dude.

I, however, am a dick. Feel free to throw your bile and vitriol my way, when I say that inclusion of the Williams theme makes me want to see this movie more, and improves the chances of actually seeing proper Superman on screen for the first time in the DCEU.

Still skeptical on how using the Williams' Superman march is going to work. It might seem a little tacked on, especially considering that this Superman already has a (very good) theme of his own.

 

[FunkMiller]

Some people get their hang up with the Williams' 1978 Superman theme and they cannot leave it well alone back in the 1970s. That theme was a hugh part of my youth as I was very much a '70s dude. I have heard that themes hundreds of time in the late '70s and early '80s alone.

But this is 2017, a new Superman is beckoning and I reaallly don't want to spend time on that theme for the sheer nostalgia trip. Do something a bit diferrent with less pandering to the Williams theme.

See, for me, it’s not just another theme. It’s a huge part of who the character is. Not including it is like not having the S shield.

Yeah, by all means up date it to 2017, but without it, it just feels like something is missing.

And the pop it’ll get from old and young in the audience, if it’s in there properly, will be huge.

Still skeptical on how using the Williams' Superman march is going to work. It might seem a little tacked on, especially considering that this Superman already has a (very good) theme of his own.

If used at the right time, it’ll blow the ****ing doors off, trust me. Zimmer’s theme is good, but it doesn’t have that power.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

I'm going to be bum-bum-bum-bum-bummmed if Batman's BvS theme isn't in the movie

 

[Da-Scribe]

Me neither. Thankfully havent seen anyone do that either.

I like the Heroes theme. Its growing one me. The 2nd one not so much. You like it?

Heroes theme starts off weak to me, but really picks up. FoF is cool, but it has a very "animated series" vibe to me. Which is not a knock on those amazing cartoons, just mean it feels like it's for a different project.

I'm staying open minded though, because once I hear this music playing against the actual scenes I might really fall in love. That's what happened with BvS for me.

 

[FunkMiller]

I'm going to be bum-bum-bum-bum-bummmed if Batman's BvS theme isn't in the movie

Is it likely though? With Elfman scoring, and already putting the Superman theme in, we’re more likely to get a modern variation of his own march than the BvS theme. This, I can take or leave, frankly, as Zimmer’s Dark Knight theme is the best.

 

[Elevator Man]

I'm going to be bum-bum-bum-bum-bummmed if Batman's BvS theme isn't in the movie

Not me. It's insulting to Elfman if he was even asked to adapt that.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

I have no idea if it's likely, it's just by far my favorite (and the best) Batman theme. And if we're talking legacy music, maybe he'll work in Adam West's theme for those 60's kids.

 

[Arachnerd]

Not me. It's insulting to Elfman if he was even asked to adapt that.

Like it would be if he were asked to still utilize What Are You Going To Do? Sure.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

"Insulting" seems like maybe two bridges too far, but I guess this is hype, so thanks for your measured response to my opinion

 

[moviefreak]

For me Williams' theme is forever linked to only one specific character -- Christopher Reeve's Superman. Not Routh's. Certainly not Cavill's.

I like it when they decided to go in a different direction by developing themes for Cavill's, starting from MOS with Zimmer being part of that process. They should continue to develop these themes instead of being creativity bankrupt pandering in taking some element of Williams' Superman theme. I just don't want to hear element of Reeve's theme in Cavill's character. It certainly didn't work for me in Superman Returns.

I'm sure that the whatever Elfman made have to take in acount that he was replacing Junkie and that he has not been that good lately unlike Zimmer who's the current go to composer for most things. A few months ago I saw Attenborough's Planet Earth II and Zimmer's scores for that were so exquisite.

These are all moot since most modern films tend to diminish big scores instead concentrated onthe action with music being a background setpiece.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Hope there is still time to include the 70's WW theme.

"Wonder Woman! Wonder Womaaaaaaaan!"

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

For me Williams' theme is forever linked to only one specific character -- Christopher Reeve's Superman. Not Routh's. Certainly not Cavill's.

This is ultimately how I feel, tho I'm more open, or at least accepting to it being in the film. Aesthetically, even comic films should strive to make things new, sentiment is a slippery slope

 

[Da-Scribe]

Ya know, I wouldn't be mad if they decided to progress the Batman theme a bit. Just because I see Batman as the villain of BvS and his character has made such a 180 that I think it'd be cool if the theme could reflect that. Keep the sorta gothic and bombastic vibe, but maybe make it a little more heroic and less haunting.

 

[Elevator Man]

Like it would be if he were asked to still utilize What Are You Going To Do? Sure.

You said that not me. I just feel it would be insulting for the man responsible for the Batman '89' theme to adapt such an inferior Batman theme/motif.

"Insulting" seems like maybe two bridges too far, but I guess this is hype, so thanks for your measured response to my opinion

I stand by that and you're welcome.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

Ya know, I wouldn't be mad if they decided to progress the Batman theme a bit. Just because I see Batman as the villain of BvS and his character has made such a 180 that I think it'd be cool if the theme could reflect that. Keep the sorta gothic and bombastic vibe, but maybe make it a little more heroic and less haunting.

Definitely.

I just wanted to make the bum-bum-bummed joke, I can certainly live without it being in the movie.

 

[Limonade]

You said that not me. I just feel it would be insulting for the man responsible for the Batman '89' theme to adapt such an inferior Batman theme/motif.


I stand by that and you're welcome.

I agree. That's like asking John Williams to adapt "What are you going to do" to the next Superman film.

I'm sure he'd be like--"whut?"

 

[Arachnerd]

You're mudding your opinion with Elfman's opinion. It's not up to you to decide if he wants to use the BvS theme or not, regardless of whether it ends up in the film. Same with What Are You Going To Do. It would make absolutely no sense to just disregard those themes and just go with the old ones just because of nostalgia factor. And not only would it be inconsistent, but it'd be extremely lazy and pandering.

At least we can be about 75% certain What Are You Going To Do might be present in the film given how it was utilized in one of the recent trailers. And if that irritates you, then boohoo, tough luck.

 

[Limonade]

You're mudding your opinion with Elfman's opinion. It's not up to you to decide if he wants to use the BvS theme or not, regardless of whether it ends up in the film. Same with What Are You Going To Do. It would make absolutely no sense to just disregard those themes and just go with the old ones just because of nostalgia factor.

Not only would it be inconsistent, but it'd be extremely lazy and pandering.

But those are THE composers that made the old classic themes! How are you hiring them and then asking them to do the modern take?

It just doesn't make sense, Skull.

You just don't ask that from the creators! I'm sure they'll be happy to incorporate it but it needs to come from them... and no one else.

 

[Arachnerd]

But those are THE composers that made the old classic themes! How are you hiring them and then asking them to do the modern take?

It just doesn't make sense, Skull.

You just don't that!

If you want to maintain a consistent continuity within a shared universe, yes, you do. Music included. This is something that gravely plagues MCU scores.

Rupert Gregson-Williams didn't create a new theme for Wonder Woman, did he?

 

[Casval]

. .

 

[Arachnerd]

Actually he did but with reusing WW motif from BvS.

Exactly, and that's the point here. It's about finding balance within the old and the new.

 

[Limonade]

If you want to maintain a consistent continuity within a shared universe, yes, you do. This is something that gravely plagues MCU scores.

Rupert Gregson-Williams didn't have to create a new theme for Wonder Woman, did he?

But if they hired some one like Danny Elfman whose score they can use. Why ask him to take on Zimmer or Junkie? Why not just keep them from leaving in the first place?

He's not some grunt. He's a master of his craft.

 

[Elevator Man]

For me Williams' theme is forever linked to only one specific character -- Christopher Reeve's Superman. Not Routh's. Certainly not Cavill's.

I like it when they decided to go in a different direction by developing themes for Cavill's, starting from MOS with Zimmer being part of that process. They should continue to develop these themes instead of being creativity bankrupt pandering in taking some element of Williams' Superman theme. I just don't want to hear element of Reeve's theme in Cavill's character. It certainly didn't work for me in Superman Returns.

Get over it! Superman Returns was a vague sequel to Donner's Superman 1 and 2. How does the theme not link with Routh's? Ottman made references to the Superman march, Smallville theme, Krypton theme, Lois Lane's theme (aka Can You Read My Mind? theme) but he didn't use those themes as a crutch. He came up with an emotional theme for Clark/Superman as well as a more menacing Luthor theme (which was more fitting of Superman's arch nemesis than what Zimmer did with BvS, imo) .

 

[Casval]

But if they hired some one like Danny Elfman whose score they can use. Why ask him to take on Zimmer or Junkie? Why not just keep them from leaving in the first place?

He's not some grunt. He's a master of his craft.

They probably hired Elfman for what he represents in the comic book movie history. Not for what he's done for the past 10 years.
WB wanted a big name, at least that's what I think.

 

[Arachnerd]

But if they hired some one like Danny Elfman whose score they can use. Why ask him to take on Zimmer or Junkie? Why not just keep them from leaving in the first place?

He's not some grunt. He's a master of his craft.

You're misunderstanding me. I'm not saying Elfman should copy every single thing Zimmer and Junkie did. By his own accord he should create his own original content, but also finding a balance between utilizing the motifs of old and the motifs of new.