Daredevil: Animated series

[The Overlord]

Sounds okay. I just think the whole "coming back from the dead" aspect is a bit creepyer. And, you could still have his death touch thing by saying that whenever he passes through an object, it's molecular structure is weakened. I's have that so, in the bic climactic fight, Daredevil confronts Deathstalker in an abandoned building. Deathstalker starts swinging at Daredevil, trying to kill him, and phases through one too many support beams instead. The building colapses, and Daredevil escapes. Deathstalker doesn't. Then, at the end, we get the big reveal with the cops discovering no signs of a body.

To each his own, I just want a foe who would challenage his belief in the court system besides Kingpin and I think Death-Stalker would work in that regard.

 

[The Question]

To each their own, but I like my ideas. Since Batman Returns I always liked the idea of an evil circus, filled with gruesome freaks. Plus we already have a mind control guy with Purple Man, so Ringmaster will just seem redundant if you use mind control thing instead of playing up the circus freaks angle. Frankly in the comics Ringo is pretty lame at this point, all he does is the same thing over and over again, you have seen once Ringmaster story you have seen them all.

Well, how would that be any different if he's a psycho killer who murders children? Besides, he and Purple Man are very different. The Ringmaster's a con man who uses hypnosis. Purple Man was a con man who can control people's minds and has been driven insane by his onw power. They're very different characters and would be handeled differently. Just because their abilities are somewhat similar wouldn't make either of them redundant.

As for Cobra, when I think of Cobra I think of poison expert rather anything else (I would leave out the bitten a radioactive cobra bit, that's was always a total Spidey ripoff.) A poison expert would be more useful as killer rather than a theif, plus he could make way more money selling his poisons rather than using them as an assassin. Plus I like the idea of Cobra seeing himself as an scientist who happens to believe that he has the right to test his poisons on anyone who he pleases. Plus DD fights too many assassins, Elektra and Bullseye are already assassins, they could work for Roxxon or something, Cobra would be redundant if he was another assassin.

Well, he doesn't have to be an assasin. I just think him being an employee of Roxxon would be a better idea. I mean, making a character into a psycho killer doesn't always make them better. That really just doesnn't fit Ringmaster or Cobra.

 

[The Question]

To each his own, I just want a foe who would challenage his belief in the court system besides Kingpin and I think Death-Stalker would work in that regard.

But really, the bought S.H.E.I.L.D. tech. It just seems so random. It doesn't really flow right in my mind. The electric chair thing, I think it would just work better.

 

[The Overlord]

But really, the bought S.H.E.I.L.D. tech. It just seems so random. It doesn't really flow right in my mind. The electric chair thing, I think it would just work better.

Sterling surviving the chair seems random to me, SHIELD tech is just an extension of his family's influence, IMO.

 

[The Overlord]

Well, how would that be any different if he's a psycho killer who murders children? Besides, he and Purple Man are very different. The Ringmaster's a con man who uses hypnosis. Purple Man was a con man who can control people's minds and has been driven insane by his onw power. They're very different characters and would be handeled differently. Just because their abilities are somewhat similar wouldn't make either of them redundant.




Well, he doesn't have to be an assasin. I just think him being an employee of Roxxon would be a better idea. I mean, making a character into a psycho killer doesn't always make them better. That really just doesnn't fit Ringmaster or Cobra.

Eh, well that's not I'm going for besides who just said that both Ringo and PM are both con men with mind control powers, seems a little too similar. Besides how does making a Ringmaster a child slavery master make him less darker, it seems likely that pedophiles buy these mind controlled children. That seems worse to me. Besides I wouldn't have Ringo kill children on screen, that just be sad, DD would stop him before he could do that.

As for the Cobra I don't care a Roxxon sub plot, I'm going for an series with a more episodic feel, the only real sub plot being DD's ongoing war with the Kingpin and how it effects him. The whole Roxxon thing just wouldn't work with what I'm doing. Besides I wouldn't have Cobra succeed in killing people with poison on screen, that be depressin.

Again your ideas are good, but I don't think they would work with what I'm doing. You can create your own DD series though.

 

[The Question]

Sterling surviving the chair seems random to me, SHIELD tech is just an extension of his family's influence, IMO.

I suppose you have a point. But really, I just think him hunting down the people who he feels ruined his life makes him more interesting. Besides, that was what he was doing with Daredevil in the origional comics in the first place.

Eh, well that's not I'm going for besides who just said that both Ringo and PM are both con men with mind control powers, seems a little too similar.

Except they're not that similar. First of all, Ringmaster doesn;t have mind control powers. He's a hypnotist. There's a difference. And second, they're different characters. Purple Man started out as a con man. But he became so corrupted with his powers that he just started doing whatever he wanted whenever he wanted. And example of this is being annoyed by noisy diners in his favorite resturaunt, and ordering themm all to choke to death so he can eat in peace.

Besides how does making a Ringmaster a child slavery master make him less darker, it seems likely that pedophiles buy these mind controlled children. That seems worse to me. Besides I wouldn't have Ringo kill children on screen, that just be sad, DD would stop him before he could do that.

It has nothing to do with him being less dark. It has everything to do with how it fits with his character. Child slavery fits Ringmaster far better than child murder for the hell of it.

As for the Cobra I don't care a Roxxon sub plot, I'm going for an series with a more episodic feel, the only real sub plot being DD's ongoing war with the Kingpin and how it effects him. The whole Roxxon thing just wouldn't work with what I'm doing. Besides I wouldn't have Cobra succeed in killing people with poison on screen, that be depressin.

It doesn't matter if you show it or not. It just seems like an unnecesairy change. And, while being episodic is fine for a while, it can start to get old after a while. The shows that last tend to be the ones with long arcs. And Roxxon would work for that.

 

[The Overlord]

I suppose you have a point. But really, I just think him hunting down the people who he feels ruined his life makes him more interesting. Besides, that was what he was doing with Daredevil in the origional comics in the first place.



Except they're not that similar. First of all, Ringmaster doesn;t have mind control powers. He's a hypnotist. There's a difference. And second, they're different characters. Purple Man started out as a con man. But he became so corrupted with his powers that he just started doing whatever he wanted whenever he wanted. And example of this is being annoyed by noisy diners in his favorite resturaunt, and ordering themm all to choke to death so he can eat in peace.



It has nothing to do with him being less dark. It has everything to do with how it fits with his character. Child slavery fits Ringmaster far better than child murder for the hell of it.



It doesn't matter if you show it or not. It just seems like an unnecesairy change. And, while being episodic is fine for a while, it can start to get old after a while. The shows that last tend to be the ones with long arcs. And Roxxon would work for that.

The fact is don't see I should binded with what happened in the comics regarding these minor characters. Major characters yes of course, minor characters I think should be played around with a bit. That's the way I want to play with this completely fictional series.

 

[The Question]

But they're still characters. Just because they're minor villains doesn't mean that they should be completely changed to be made cooler. What should happen is a writer comes along, looks at these characters, finds something in them that makes them cool or interesting, and brings that to the surface. You're not making these characters better. You're creating completely new characters and slapping the old names on them.

 

[The Overlord]

But they're still characters. Just because they're minor villains doesn't mean that they should be completely changed to be made cooler. What should happen is a writer comes along, looks at these characters, finds something in them that makes them cool or interesting, and brings that to the surface. You're not making these characters better. You're creating completely new characters and slapping the old names on them.

That happens all the time in animated conversions of minor characters. Take Evolution X-Men's version of Arcade, he was completely different from 616 Arcade, but no one really cared because he was such a minor character. Minor characters have always been fair game in anmiated conversions.

Also consider Clock King he was completely changed in BTAS, but no one complained about that.

 

[The Question]

Yeah, and that was just in one apearance. With him a s a teenager. They could easily nhave developed that into something more akin to his comic book counterpart. And Clock King was pretty much the same, but without a costume. They did what I'm talking about. Finding that bit of hidden potential and brinbging it to the surface. And just because they're "fair game" doesn't make it right. Ringmaster and Cobra are characters with histories and personalities. What you're doing isn't making them cooler. It's creating completely new characters and giving them the names Ringmaster and Cobra. What you should be doing is trying to find that one bit of potential each of the characters have and bring that to the surface. Not just wiping the slate clean and making them into completely different characters.

 

[The Overlord]

Yeah, and that was just in one apearance. With him a s a teenager. They could easily nhave developed that into something more akin to his comic book counterpart. And Clock King was pretty much the same, but without a costume. They did what I'm talking about. Finding that bit of hidden potential and brinbging it to the surface. And just because they're "fair game" doesn't make it right. Ringmaster and Cobra are characters with histories and personalities. What you're doing isn't making them cooler. It's creating completely new characters and giving them the names Ringmaster and Cobra. What you should be doing is trying to find that one bit of potential each of the characters have and bring that to the surface. Not just wiping the slate clean and making them into completely different characters.

BTAS clock King had a different civilain ID, different motive, different enemy, he was completely different.

Actually your correct, that's exactly what I'm doing and frankly I have no problems about that. I don't see why your getting so upset, I'm not actually in charge of anything, so really I'm just doing this fun and its completely fictional. Really if you don't like it then why don't you create your own fictional DD cartoon series.

That fact is in my fictional series, I don't feel like doing a roxxon subplot, so I'm not going to do one, make your own series and do it.

 

[The Question]

I don't know why it bothers me. It just does. No offense, but it's lazy writing. Instead of actually making the characters cooler, you just make your own characters and give them the origional characters' names. If you're going to do that, then why even bother with the old characters? Why not just have them be completely new characters?


And I'm not even talking about Roxxon.

 

[The Overlord]

I don't know why it bothers me. It just does. No offense, but it's lazy writing. Instead of actually making the characters cooler, you just make your own characters and give them the origional characters' names. If you're going to do that, then why even bother with the old characters? Why not just have them be completely new characters?


And I'm not even talking about Roxxon.

Why because I like the concept of an evil circus and poison expert that's why. That fact is medimums often change radically cahnge minro characters, take Ultimate Sinister for example, the Ringmaster and Cobra ideas I presented were actually ideas I came up for the ultimate version of these characters, whether you like it or not that's a standard. besides such changes happen in comics all the time, take the Purple man, before Alias he was a goofy and lame villain that no really cared for and now he's a serial killer and rapist and people like it. Again changing a character depends on thew subject matter tone for the series and consider I said from the start that I would like a DD cartoon at is at least PG-13 rated, I believe that goofy villains would not work for what I am doing here, which is why I haven't bothered with Stilt-Man.

Besides those are like two characters out of the ones I am using. I completely changed Man-Bull as well, taking from a generic thug to tortured and pitable creature who isn't even human and is not really evil and you haven't complained about that.

 

[The Question]

Purple man, before Alias he was a goofy and lame villain that no really cared for and now he's a serial killer and rapist and people like it.

That made sense for his progression as a character. He was corrupted by his own power.

Again changing a character depends on thew subject matter tone for the series and consider I said from the start that I would like a DD cartoon at is at least PG-13 rated, I believe that goofy villains would not work for what I am doing here, which is why I haven't bothered with Stilt-Man.

I go be the philosphy that no character is too lame or goofy. You just need to find that tiny spark of coolness in them and fan it into a flame. And really, not every villain has to be a major threat. Stilt Man and Cobra can still be grunt level villains. That doesn't mean they're lame. Every character has a place, and not every character needs to be this huge threat or criminal mastermind.

Besides those are like two characters out of the ones I am using. I completely changed Man-Bull as well, taking from a generic thug to tortured and pitable creature who isn't even human and is not really evil and you haven't complained about that.

That's because I don't know jack **** about Man-Bull to begin with.



Listen, I'm sorry I got snippy. It just.....the changes bothered me. I don;t like it when characters are changed to the point where they're completely different characters with the same name.

 

[The Overlord]

That made sense for his progression as a character. He was corrupted by his own power.



I go be the philosphy that no character is too lame or goofy. You just need to find that tiny spark of coolness in them and fan it into a flame. And really, not every villain has to be a major threat. Stilt Man and Cobra can still be grunt level villains. That doesn't mean they're lame. Every character has a place, and not every character needs to be this huge threat or criminal mastermind.



That's because I don't know jack **** about Man-Bull to begin with.



Listen, I'm sorry I got snippy. It just.....the changes bothered me. I don;t like it when characters are changed to the point where they're completely different characters with the same name.

Well that's your perspective, but no offense Stilt-Man doesnt work in the post Miller, he was a crappy concept. It is my opinion that minor characters are fair game from medimum change to another and it has happened before. I don't want grunt level villains, their boring IMO, at least some villains for hire like Bullseye have a motive beyond being just a rent a goon.

 

[zanos]

I could care less about a DD animated series. I wouldn't mind an animated movie but that's it.

 

[The Question]

Well that's your perspective, but no offense Stilt-Man doesnt work in the post Miller, he was a crappy concept. It is my opinion that minor characters are fair game from medimum change to another and it has happened before.

Just because it's happened before doens't make it right. Changing minor characters into completely different characters is just lazy. I'm sorry, but it is. Instead of trying to bring the character's inherent coolness to the surface, it's wiping the slate clean and making a new character. If you're going to make them into completely different characters, then don't use the names. Don;'t call them Ringmaster or Cobra. Call them something different. Because if it's a new character, you might as well admit it.

I don't want grunt level villains, their boring IMO, at least some villains for hire like Bullseye have a motive beyond being just a rent a goon.

But not everyone is major threat material. Some are just grunts. But that doesn't make them bad characters. Geoff Johns realized this, which is why his run on The Flash kicked major ass. He found what made the Rogues tick and polished it up. He realized, Mirror Master is not a major villain. He's a thug. A thug with a gimmmick. He's not a criminal mastermind and to write him as such is a mistake. But he's still a great character from The Flash, and one of my personal favorites. Stilt Man is not a major villain. But that doesn't mean he's a bad villain.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Not really interested in seeing an animated series.

 

[The Overlord]

Just because it's happened before doens't make it right. Changing minor characters into completely different characters is just lazy. I'm sorry, but it is. Instead of trying to bring the character's inherent coolness to the surface, it's wiping the slate clean and making a new character. If you're going to make them into completely different characters, then don't use the names. Don;'t call them Ringmaster or Cobra. Call them something different. Because if it's a new character, you might as well admit it.



But not everyone is major threat material. Some are just grunts. But that doesn't make them bad characters. Geoff Johns realized this, which is why his run on The Flash kicked major ass. He found what made the Rogues tick and polished it up. He realized, Mirror Master is not a major villain. He's a thug. A thug with a gimmmick. He's not a criminal mastermind and to write him as such is a mistake. But he's still a great character from The Flash, and one of my personal favorites. Stilt Man is not a major villain. But that doesn't mean he's a bad villain.

Mirror Master has powers that far more amazing then Stilt-Man, Johns couldn't do anything with Rainbow Raider, so he killed him off, Stilt-Man is boring thug with no motive and a stupid gimick. Frankly this getting silly, your getting mad about a cartoon series that doesn't even exist and I'm not a professional writer, just someone who is trying to have fun and kill time, so I don't really care about criticisms about my writing style. Really now, if you don't like it, make your own ideas for DD series that won't exist, you made your point already and I just don't agree and I likely never will.

 

[3dman27]

any new seasons coming up?

 

[The Question]

Mirror Master has powers that far more amazing then Stilt-Man, Johns couldn't do anything with Rainbow Raider, so he killed him off, Stilt-Man is boring thug with no motive and a stupid gimick.

Mirror Master didn't have any motive besides wanting money until Johns came along. Hell, that's still his motive. But now we know how he became who he is. And his powers have nothing to do with it. How powerful you are doesn't equate how good a character you are.

Frankly this getting silly, your getting mad about a cartoon series that doesn't even exist and I'm not a professional writer, just someone who is trying to have fun and kill time, so I don't really care about criticisms about my writing style. Really now, if you don't like it, make your own ideas for DD series that won't exist, you made your point already and I just don't agree and I likely never will.

I'm not mad. I...it just irks me, is all. Sorry.

 

[The Overlord]

Mirror Master didn't have any motive besides wanting money until Johns came along. Hell, that's still his motive. But now we know how he became who he is. And his powers have nothing to do with it. How powerful you are doesn't equate how good a character you are.



I'm not mad. I...it just irks me, is all. Sorry.

Amazing powers translates into awesome visuals and a more pausable threat, MM is a low level reality warper and Stilt-Man is guy with stilts, who seems like the bigger threat? I mean really Daredevil that dark urban warrior vs. a guy with stilts, that seems more like joke storyline than a real one.

Besides getting irked over a completely non existant cartoon series is silly, if you don't like the ideas state your opinion and move on and perhaps create your own fictional DD cartoon series, harping on it is getting tiresome. Alright let me ask you did you like what did with Mr. Fear because he was favoritivite character to change.

 

[The Question]

Amazing powers translates into awesome visuals and a more pausable threat, MM is a low level reality warper and Stilt-Man is guy with stilts, who seems like the bigger threat?

Good powers does not instantly equal good character. Is Stilt Man major threat material? No. But that doesn't mean he's a bad villain.

I mean really Daredevil that dark urban warrior vs. a guy with stilts, that seems more like joke storyline than a real one.

Well, like I said, Stilt Man doesn;t have to be a major threat. He can be a grunt level villain. Not every villain is a major, huge threat, and it's not that good of an idea to try and write them that way. If I were writing Stilt Man, I'd have him be a theif. He wears a suit that has mechanical arms and legs that can telescope. He eventually becomes a sort of theif/thug for hire in the criminal underworld.

Besides getting irked over a completely non existant cartoon series is silly, if you don't like the ideas state your opinion and move on and perhaps create your own fictional DD cartoon series, harping on it is getting tiresome.

I said I was sorry.

Alright let me ask you did you like what did with Mr. Fear because he was favoritivite character to change.

I really wasn't sure how I felt about that. The personal revenge thing? Not sure I dig it. Really, I always liked the idea of Mr. Fear being a low level gang leader, and a sort of boogyman figure in the criminal underworld. No one knows if he really exists, and no one's too eager to find out. Even the Kingpin would be warry of him.

 

[The Overlord]

any new seasons coming up?

Arguing with the Question took a lot time and some of the fun out of this, but I will try to proceed:

Episode 27: There's Something About Mary:

Mary Walker was born with dissociative identity disorder and was sent to an insane asylum at a early age. There she suffered sexual abuse at the hands of the staff. Now years later, Mary Walker's mental illness has taken the form of Typhoid Mary, a ruthless psychopath who wish to gain revenge on those who had tormented her. DD has protect those who wronged Mary, while also finding a way to make their crimes known.eanwhile DD after llosing Elektra decides to focus on his realationship with Karen and tells her that he is DD.

Episode 28: Bushwacked:

Under the streets of NYC, an ex CIA agent turned cyborg super soldier known as Bushwacker is beginning his campaign to eliminate the mutants in NYC starting with the Morlocks. When X-Men's wolverine decides to get involve and try and kill Bushwacker, its up to DD to try to save Murlocks and capture Bushwacker alive.

Episode 29: Urban Development

The international business tycoon, Justin Hammer has been lobbying the NYC city government to allow him to plow down Hell's Kitchen and replace it with a Hammer Industries Industrial park. So far the city has refused Hammer's request, so he hires the Gael to set up explosives on the gas mains in Hell's Kitchen and making it look like one of the local gangs did it. Daredevil finds out about this scheme from an unlikely source, the Kingpin, who desires to see Hell's Kitchen spared as much as DD does, it be bad for business otherwise. Can DD save Hell's Kitchen?


Episode 30: Guilty Until Proven Innocent:

Someone has released a deadly poisonious in NYC's subway system, killing 20 people. All signs point to Klaus Voorhees aka the Cobra as the one behind the attack. However when DD captures the Cobra he claims to be innocent. DD knows that Cobra is telling the truth. Now Matt Murdock has defend Cobra in court while searching the real killer.


Episode 31: Kindred Spirits:

Typhoid Mary has escaped from Ravencroft Asylum and comes upon a pimp beating up a prostitute. Mary easily kills the pimp. The prostitute introduces herself as a Sally Anders. Sally thanks Mary for saving her life and offers to be her friend. Mary never had a friend before and is glad that someone is finally willing to treat her with compassion and respect. Mary and Sally get a loft and steal to survive. One day Sally left to go the super market and didn't return. Mary starts searching the city for her, little does she know that Sally caught the eye of the Purple Man. Killgrave has decided to turn Sally into his newest sex slave. Now DD is caught between these two dangerous villains. Plus karen unable to deal with DD putting himself at risk all the time has fallen into drugs.

Episode 32: Reconciliation:

Nelson and Murdock has a new intern, Becky Blake. During Mr. Hyde's rampage Blake was crippled by Hyde. Hyde decided to let her live, so that she live in fear and despare until he kills her at a later date. Now Mr. Hyde has escaped from prison and has decided to make good on his promise. Can DD protect Blake from Mr. Hyde's wrath? Will Becky Blake ever be able to overcome her fear and despare and move on with her life?

Episode 33 and 34: Breakout

Riker's Island houses some of Daredevil's most dangerous enemies including: Mr. Hyde, Bushwacker, Mr. Fear, Purple Man,the Gael, etc. Now a riot has broken out at Riker's. The cons have taken the staff at Riker's hostage and are attempting to escape. Daredevil must go to Riker's, save the hostages and face down his enemies.

Episodes 35-39: Born Again (Season Finale)

Karen unable to cope with DD being Matt Murdock has left Nelson & Murdock and become a full time drug user. With her money gone, Karen sells Matt['s secret to drug dealer for a fix. However that drug dealer tells the Kingpin. Now Kingpin is reay to exact his ultimate revenge against DD. Kingpin begins to destroy DD's life, having the banks close down Nelson and Murdock and having them freeze Murdock's accounts. Then he proceeds to frame Murdock for jury tampering and has him disbarred. Finally he has Murdock's brownstone blown up. Also the Kingpin orders everyone who knows about DD's secret to die, including Karen. Now DD must fight back and crawl out of the hole Kingpin has dug for him. Things get even more nasty when Kingpin hires out a super solider named Nuke to finish off DD. Can DD save Karen and himself?

 

[The Overlord]

Good powers does not instantly equal good character. Is Stilt Man major threat material? No. But that doesn't mean he's a bad villain.



Well, like I said, Stilt Man doesn;t have to be a major threat. He can be a grunt level villain. Not every villain is a major, huge threat, and it's not that good of an idea to try and write them that way. If I were writing Stilt Man, I'd have him be a theif. He wears a suit that has mechanical arms and legs that can telescope. He eventually becomes a sort of theif/thug for hire in the criminal underworld.



I said I was sorry.



I really wasn't sure how I felt about that. The personal revenge thing? Not sure I dig it. Really, I always liked the idea of Mr. Fear being a low level gang leader, and a sort of boogyman figure in the criminal underworld. No one knows if he really exists, and no one's too eager to find out. Even the Kingpin would be warry of him.

But the fact is Stilt-Man is a very silly villain with a really lame gimick who doesn't work in the post Miller world. I mean really Stilt-Man is smart to design this suit of armour and uses it to knock over banks? That's stupid, if he is intelligent enough maker this armour he should make enough money legitimately without resorting to crime. Stilt-Ma is just a bad concept, he should have retired a long time ago.

A low level gang leader? That's Owl's job! I don't want Mr. Fear to be a Owl knock off. Besides I already made him a drug lord in the second season, what more you want. Fear having a personal grudge against Matt Murdock and not DD, is far more interesting. A gang leader is so generic at this point, I might as well bring in Silvermane or something instead, DD fights too many gang lords already to so cliche at this point. Making Fear a gang lord is lazy writing in my opinion, it makes him generic rather than unique.