Daredevil is the greatest hero ever point blank

Franklin Richards said:
By that reasoning, Walter Payton was not a hero. Audie Murphy wasn't a hero. 9/11 Firemen were not heroes. Along with a million non commanding officers.

Thing IS one of the greatest heroes in comicdom. Even if he was a member of a team.


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I never said you cant be part of a team and still be a hero. I said i think the title of "greatest hero ever" would have to go to a solo individual or at least a team leader. There's a big difference between being something and being the greatest ever. Pay a little attention buddy.
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
I believe he said that the Thing doesn't qualify as "the greatest hero ever." As in a single person who is a greater hero than all others. So, really, by his reasoning, none of what you just said makes any sense.

His premise is flawed. Only leaders can be "Greatest Heroes Ever"? People that are part of a team can't be "greatest"? That's horse puckey.


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Vanguard07 said:
I never said you cant be part of a team and still be a hero. I said i think the title of "greatest hero ever" would have to go to a solo individual or at least a team leader. There's a big difference between being something and being the greatest ever. Pay a little attention buddy.

I did pay attention. Stop talking down to me.


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maybe they are applying their greatness with other individuals who lack it
 
Wasnt talking down I'm just a friendly guy. Text just doesnt relate tone very well.
 
Franklin Richards said:
His premise is flawed. Only leaders can be "Greatest Heroes Ever"? People that are part of a team can't be "greatest"? That's horse puckey.


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Maybe, but that's still not the point that your analogies addressed.
 
In order for someone to be the greatest hero ever their contributions to heroics would have to stand out as greater than every other hero. Meaning greater than every other part of their team.
The guy that stands out like that is usually the leader.
 
Vanguard07 said:
In order for someone to be the greatest hero ever their contributions to heroics would have to stand out as greater than every other hero. Meaning greater than every other part of their team.
The guy that stands out like that is usually the leader.

Apart from the Fantastic Four, where Ben Grimm is blatently the most heroic. Reed is the smartest, but Ben is the hero. And as they're the greatest hero team, Ben could be considered one of the, if not the, greatest heroes around.
 
Okay so what makes him blatantly the most heroic? What does he do that the others dont? He gets up close and hits stuff? Holds stuff up? He's ugly?

All the FF face the same dangers as Ben does. They have the same enemies, they go on the same adventures. Why is ben more heroic to you?
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
Maybe, but that's still not the point that your analogies addressed.

I was just trying to illustrate team players that are great heroes. Maybe they were flawed, but it was the best I could come up with while fighting two battles at the same time. :D


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Yeah team players can be GREAT heroes. I'm not disagreeing with that. But the GREATEST hero would have to stand out. And I dont really see Ben standing out as the greatest. What makes him greater than the others?
 
Vanguard07 said:
Okay so what makes him blatantly the most heroic? What does he do that the others dont? He gets up close and hits stuff? Holds stuff up? He's ugly?

All the FF face the same dangers as Ben does. They have the same enemies, they go on the same adventures. Why is ben more heroic to you?


I'm not going to go into 50 years of the FF, but a few stories come to mind.

The Thing vs The Champion of the Universe for the fate of the Earth.

The Thing journeying to the center of Ego the Living Planet, defying the pressure that no other member of the FF could. Saving the planet Earth because Ego fired his thruster in anger after discovering what Ben did.

Sacrificing his humanity to become the Thing to save his team from The Puppet Master, even though he had finally been cured.

Destroying his humanity on the Beyonder's planet to stop "Ben Grimm" and Ultron from invading earth.


There are tons.


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Vanguard07 said:
Okay so what makes him blatantly the most heroic? What does he do that the others dont? He gets up close and hits stuff? Holds stuff up? He's ugly?

All the FF face the same dangers as Ben does. They have the same enemies, they go on the same adventures. Why is ben more heroic to you?

Because, while all of them have heroic tendancies, I am absolutetly positively sure that if one of them had to sacrifice themselves so the others would live, he would do it in a heartbeat, with no second thoughts. I know the others would as well, but what i'm trying to say is this:

He doesn't have the brains, he doesn't have the force sheilds, he can't turn invisible and he can't ignite himself to the intensity of a star. He is just him. He has added strength and durability, but even if he didn't have those things, he would give himself for the cause. He doesn't fight because he has powers, he would do that anyway, in whatever form he could.

He's consistantly well thought of throughout the Marvel Universe, with even Captain America calling him one of the best human beings he's EVER known.

Add to that he has to live his life as an outcast; more so than any other hero in the world; at least Bruce Banner can turn back into a human. Despite this, despite the fact he is made of rock and ugly as sin, he would still gladly fight for the people who (most likely) mock him, because it's the right thing to do. In the same way that Dare Devil has to deal with his crappy life, Ben has to deal with his condition.

I think that's the other thing about him. I don't see him as the Thing and Ben Grim, I just see him as Ben. Other heroes have divides in their lives, even if they're public heroes; Ben doesn't. He is stuck in his game face, and because of that he has no alter ego. He is Ben Grim, hero.

Heck, I don't even like the character, pretty much hate the FF, but even I recognise Ben Grim as one of the most Heroic characters in the MU.
 
the greatest hero would be one willing to risk the ultimate sacrifice for the greater good. maybe see the villians differently than others, because he understands why the chose the path they did. maybe helps his stronger teamates regardless of the fact that they are not needed. bases his/her actions on the ideas of what is honestly good and right.
Cap
 
The Leaguer said:
I agree, Daredevil is the greatest hero when someone sticks a gun in his face and shoots. I'd love to see that.


That was lame, even by your standards. I expect better. ASSHAT suspension is being discussed.
 

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