Daredevil movie: Where were the ninja?

[The Overlord]

Being a formidable foe doesn't make you a good character.



That's the kind of mentality that keeps him from becoming the character he has the potential to be. There's absolutely nothing wrong with him. All he needs is a good writer to come along, get inside his head, and figure out what makes him tick. How powerful an oponent he is or how good his suit looks has absolutely nothing to do with how good a character he is.

Blowing special effects money to bring Stilt-Man to screen is a waste money considering he would still look silly and his character is not that important in the DD universe. In fact let's ask what does make him tick and why should I give a damn? Why does he steal, even though his criminal career was a total failure? What makes him different from all the other armoured goons running around MU? Is character anything beyond a pathetic man with an poorly thought out gimmick and no common sense?

 

[The Question]

You're right. He is a pathetic man with a poorly thought out gimick. But that would make for a great angle for a writer to work with. But you're right, he's not a big enough character to be used in the movies.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Where were the ninja?

[Nicholson´s JOKER]At home, washing their tights[/Nicholson´s JOKER]

 

[The Overlord]

You're right. He is a pathetic man with a poorly thought out gimick. But that would make for a great angle for a writer to work with. But you're right, he's not a big enough character to be used in the movies.

A comic book that catches up with Wilbur Day now that he is no longer Stilt-Man could be interesting, prehaps he could have help someone take down this new Stilt-Man, with Day being angered that someone ripped off his design. The problem is DD already has a villain turned civilain character with Gladiator and yes I know Gladiator is a criminal again, that was because of coercion from Bont, so he isn't really a criminal again. So with DD it seem like rehash of DD's stories with Gladiator. Perhaps he could work with FBI, become a profiler of super villains for them, that could be interesting.

 

[The Question]

Or, he could start his criminal career again, and they could delve into how exactly he, as an individual, ticks. Why he does what he does. What cards fate delt him and how he played them. That's the interesting stuff.

 

[The Overlord]

Or, he could start his criminal career again, and they could delve into how exactly he, as an individual, ticks. Why he does what he does. What cards fate delt him and how he played them. That's the interesting stuff.

That's not interesting at all, that would be cop out, it would ruin the scene where he quit in DD # 41. Quiting was the most intelligent thing ever he did, his criminal career has been a total disaster, why would he go to that? He has had is butt by DD a thousand times, lost all his money when he bought some of the Kingpin's old turf only to have him lose it all when Owl attacked him, breaking his arm and breaking his girlfriend's back. He has a total joke as villain, was disrespected by the villain community and didn't make a lot money as a villain.

He has no reason to become a villain again. Wilbur becomming Stilt-Man again would be a regression of the character, I would rather the character progress and I have never heard of former super villain working as an FBI profiler. There already is a new Silt-Man so there is no reason for Day to be Stilt-Man again and if he became Stilt-Man, I would have to wonder if he was mentally challengedat this point.

 

[The Question]

That's not interesting at all, that would be cop out, it would ruin the scene where he quit in DD # 41. Quiting was the most intelligent thing ever he did, his criminal career has been a total disaster, why would he go to that? He has had is butt by DD a thousand times, lost all his money when he bought some of the Kingpin's old turf only to have him lose it all when Owl attacked him, breaking his arm and breaking his girlfriend's back. He has a total joke as villain, was disrespected by the villain community and didn't make a lot money as a villain.

So, him being forced back into the buisness would make for an interesting character study.

He has no reason to become a villain again. Wilbur becomming Stilt-Man again would be a regression of the character, I would rather the character progress

It wouldn't be a regression. It would be him being forced back into the life that's screwed him over so much because he simply cannot escape it. It would also serve as an interesting study as to why he became a criminal in the first place.

and I have never heard of former super villain working as an FBI profiler.

The Trickster over in DC comics was for a long time.

There already is a new Silt-Man so there is no reason for Day to be Stilt-Man again and if he became Stilt-Man, I would have to wonder if he was mentally challengedat this point.

So what if there's a new Stilt Man? Doesn't mean Day still couldn't operate. And yes, it would be stupid for him to become a criminal again. Which is why it would be interesting to see him forced back into it. To understand the why of it. Why he's doing it again and why he did it in the first place.

 

[The Overlord]

So, him being forced back into the buisness would make for an interesting character study.



It wouldn't be a regression. It would be him being forced back into the life that's screwed him over so much because he simply cannot escape it. It would also serve as an interesting study as to why he became a criminal in the first place.



The Trickster over in DC comics was for a long time.



So what if there's a new Stilt Man? Doesn't mean Day still couldn't operate. And yes, it would be stupid for him to become a criminal again. Which is why it would be interesting to see him forced back into it. To understand the why of it. Why he's doing it again and why he did it in the first place.

Wait Trickster became a profiler, I thought he was just an agent, damn. Alright, your idea could work, if you can answer this one question, why did he become a super villain in first. Can you think of any reason besides a lack of common sense? Seriously in the 40 years he has existed as Stilt-Man, was there any good reason why would wear such a silly costume in public and get handed humiliating defeat after humiliating defeat, I mean can you think of any?

If the only real motive for being a super villain is a lack common sense, then why should I care, that just proves he's ridiculous. Unless there is a real motive for him being villain, he shouldn't be a villain, at least other two dimnesional villains have cool gimmicks, he doesn't even have that. Tell what seperates Stilt-Man from the hundreds of other armoured goons running MU?

 

[The Question]

I don't know. But here's how I'd write it:


He was always a smart guy. Got very good grades. Went to college. But, he could never hold down a job. A combination of a bad aditude, poor handling of his money, and plain bad luck kept him rather disenfranchised for most of his adult life. There were was only one thing he was good at: building stuff. And, so, using that skill, he turned to theivery. He ain't proud of it, but he's playing with the cards fate delt him. He tried to get out of it, but due to new circumstances, he's just being pulled back in.

 

[The Overlord]

I don't know. But here's how I'd write it:


He was always a smart guy. Got very good grades. Went to college. But, he could never hold down a job. A combination of a bad aditude, poor handling of his money, and plain bad luck kept him rather disenfranchised for most of his adult life. There were was only one thing he was good at: building stuff. And, so, using that skill, he turned to theivery. He ain't proud of it, but he's playing with the cards fate delt him. He tried to get out of it, but due to new circumstances, he's just being pulled back in.

That's not interesting at all, that's the exact same motive that Beetle had and Beetle only became interesting when he joined the thunderbolts. That description just makes him sound like every other genric goon with armour. See that doesn't answer the real question if his super villain career was a total failure why he return to it, he clearly has no skill as a crtiminal and I think he has come to realization. His engineering skills should earn him more money legitimately than being a 4th rate criminal, even if he was mad at his emplyers, being a white collar criminal would have been a better move, stealing information and selling to other companies, that have made more sense.

You can't seem to answer the core question, why would Day would put on the Stilt-Man armour again, when all it has done has cost all his money and respect and has made him even more unhappy? Seriously I think Wilbur Day realized what an error his criminal career was in DD # 41 and I can't think of any reason why he would change his mind. If Stilt-Man became a criminal to gain money, power and respect would he contiue to be criminal if he has gained no power, actually lost money and has been more or less disprected by everyone?

 

[The Question]

That's not interesting at all, that's the exact same motive that Beetle had and Beetle only became interesting when he joined the thunderbolts.

Oh, really? Didn't know that.

That description just makes him sound like every other genric goon with armour. See that doesn't answer the real question if his super villain career was a total failure why he return to it, he clearly has no skill as a crtiminal and I think he has come to realization. His engineering skills should earn him more money legitimately than being a 4th rate criminal, even if he was mad at his emplyers, being a white collar criminal would have been a better move, stealing information and selling to other companies, that have made more sense.

Listen, it's all about how it's handled. Yes, we get that his powers suck. We get that he's a crappy criminal. But that doesn't make him a bad character. It just means that a good writer hasn't come along to try and figure out what makes him tick.

You can't seem to answer the core question, why would Day would put on the Stilt-Man armour again, when all it has done has cost all his money and respect and has made him even more unhappy? Seriously I think Wilbur Day realized what an error his criminal career was in DD # 41 and I can't think of any reason why he would change his mind. If Stilt-Man became a criminal to gain money, power and respect would he contiue to be criminal if he has gained no power, actually lost money and has been more or less disprected by everyone?

Listen, him becoming a criminal again, something he would not want to do, would serve as a bit of a character study. He's forced into it again when he's left without any other choices. It would be interesting to see what's going on in his head when he's forced back in.

 

[The Overlord]

Oh, really? Didn't know that.



Listen, it's all about how it's handled. Yes, we get that his powers suck. We get that he's a crappy criminal. But that doesn't make him a bad character. It just means that a good writer hasn't come along to try and figure out what makes him tick.



Listen, him becoming a criminal again, something he would not want to do, would serve as a bit of a character study. He's forced into it again when he's left without any other choices. It would be interesting to see what's going on in his head when he's forced back in.

But now see that doesn't the question why he wouldn't have choice but to become a criminal. That arguement works for someone like the Rhino who is too stupid to realize the error of his ways and feels he has to steal to provide for his family back in Russia. Day clearly has some engineering skills, so he clearly has options besides being a criminal and he knows he is not a very good criminal? So why would he go back to crime if he clearly has something to fall back on and has no skill as a criminal and knows it? He clearly does have other options besides being criminal, so why would he be a criminal?

 

[Chris Wallace]

Stick was in early drafts of the film, but dropped.

I honestly don't think you could have had a good reason to put ninjas in there given the film itself.

There was no need for them, they wouldn't have fit, they were saving them for "Elektra"-pick one.

 

[The Question]

But now see that doesn't the question why he wouldn't have choice but to become a criminal. That arguement works for someone like the Rhino who is too stupid to realize the error of his ways and feels he has to steal to provide for his family back in Russia. Day clearly has some engineering skills, so he clearly has options besides being a criminal and he knows he is not a very good criminal? So why would he go back to crime if he clearly has something to fall back on and has no skill as a criminal and knows it? He clearly does have other options besides being criminal, so why would he be a criminal?

And I'm saying, what if he's left without any options? He looses whatever job he has, is in desperate need of money, and turns back to stealing. I mean, he's an ex con. It's not easy for them to get jobs.

 

[The Overlord]

And I'm saying, what if he's left without any options? He looses whatever job he has, is in desperate need of money, and turns back to stealing. I mean, he's an ex con. It's not easy for them to get jobs.

He's an ex con with amazing skills, even though the Stilt-Man armour was very poorly thought design, it was still a pretty good feat of engineering. Put him on a team with other engineers with better design concepts and he could make a company a lot of money. Seriously I think many engineering firms would be willing to overlook his past and see how good his skills are. Heck, the government would likely be willing to hire him as a mid level engineer, in order to prevent him from being a criminal again and to help him to design new suits of armour to fight meta human criminals. again, I don't see any reason why he would go back to crime, considering it seemed to be one of the worst exiperiences of life.

There about million better uses for the Stilt-Man armour than crime, its not really good combat armour, but it be a great tool for fire fighters. Think about fire fighters can go rescue tall buildings easily with the Stilt-Man armour. Make the suit fire proof and add a water and it be a great tool.

 

[The Question]

Very true. Still, I think that a story about a return to crime for him could work. Especially if it's his last job. Way I'd play it, every time he's gone out on a job, he's said to himself "this is the last time." At the end of the story, he would finally decide that this would really be the last time.

 

[The Overlord]

Very true. Still, I think that a story about a return to crime for him could work. Especially if it's his last job. Way I'd play it, every time he's gone out on a job, he's said to himself "this is the last time." At the end of the story, he would finally decide that this would really be the last time.

Well I guess its matter of personal taste, personally Day going back to crime wouldn't make him interesting to me at all, it just prove he's a loser. Seriously if he's too foolish not use his natural talents to make an honest living and goes back crime after all his failures, he's just a loser, that doesn't make sympathetic. Why should I give a damn about him, is there anything that seperates him from any other armored goon running around? I mean he is not sympathic, he's not evil, and he doesn't a cool gimmick, that just makes him loser?

Day going to back to crime would prove he is a loser and why should I care? Think a lot of people wouldn't care of Day went back to crime, they still wouldn't give a damn about the chartacter. Losers are only interesting if they are comedic characters (like Turk). Seriously what's the hook that seperates him from every other armoured goon running around?

 

[The Question]

Well I guess its matter of personal taste, personally Day going back to crime wouldn't make him interesting to me at all, it just prove he's a loser. Seriously if he's too foolish not use his natural talents to make an honest living and goes back crime after all his failures, he's just a loser, that doesn't make sympathetic. Why should I give a damn about him, is there anything that seperates him from any other armored goon running around? I mean he is not sympathic, he's not evil, and he doesn't a cool gimmick, that just makes him loser?

So? Since when does him being a loser make him a bad character?

Day going to back to crime would prove he is a loser and why should I care? Think a lot of people wouldn't care of Day went back to crime, they still wouldn't give a damn about the chartacter. Losers are only interesting if they are comedic characters (like Turk).

A looser character's only apeal is not comedy. You can have some very deep and fascinating stories with losers.

Seriously what's the hook that seperates him from every other armoured goon running around?

Well, if someone would look past "stiltman sux lol," then a good writer might actually find it.

 

[The Overlord]

So? Since when does him being a loser make him a bad character?



A looser character's only apeal is not comedy. You can have some very deep and fascinating stories with losers.



Well, if someone would look past "stiltman sux lol," then a good writer might actually find it.

Biff Loman never tried to commit crimes with stilts, he actual learned from his experiences. Seriously your not answering why questions, what seperates Stilt-Man from every other armoured goon out there? Why should I care about stilt-Man. If you were hired by M<arvbel tyo make stilt-man interesting, how would make him appealing? So far your answers have kinda vague on that.

 

[The Question]

I'd delve into his history. See what makes him tick. Figure out why he became Stilt Man in the first place and how he feels about the way his life's ended up. I'd figure out what makes Wilbur Day Wildbur Day.

 

[The Overlord]

I'd delve into his history. See what makes him tick. Figure out why he became Stilt Man in the first place and how he feels about the way his life's ended up. I'd figure out what makes Wilbur Day Wildbur Day.

That's pretty vague, where's twist, where's the hook, why should I care about what makes Wilbur tick, how is it interesting?

 

[The Question]

Well, I only gave a basic outline. I'd go over how and why he became Stilt Man. Haven't thought it out entirely. Doesn't mean the fella sucks.



Listen, I know what I do, but since I haven't actually sat down to write it, the exact details aren't there. And it's hard to explain otherwise.

 

[The Overlord]

Well, I only gave a basic outline. I'd go over how and why he became Stilt Man. Haven't thought it out entirely. Doesn't mean the fella sucks.



Listen, I know what I do, but since I haven't actually sat down to write it, the exact details aren't there. And it's hard to explain otherwise.

Okay, fine, I am just saying for me their would have to be a really cool twist to make Stilt-Man interesting.

 

[The Question]

I really don't think so. I wouldn't have anything like his father ahving raped him as a child or something like that. A simple study of who he is and what makes him tick would be much more interesting.

 

[Chris Wallace]

The Right Writer Can Give Any Villain Depth. Dc Has Proven That Repeatedly, Turning Their D-listers Into Major Players.