But but but Marvin and the Guard are going to write essay length responses to your judgment that the line was stupid. THERE'S DEEPER MEANING GODDAMMIT.
No there isn't. It was a **** line that wasn't alone in a film clogged with terrible dialogue, which consistently reminded me of the famous Harrison Ford quote.
You can type this ****, but you sure as hell can't say it.
Wow, and here I was browsing only during my sabbatical from these parts only to see my name come up.
In the future, you may want to avoid arguing against your own strawman, it's a fruitless endeavor.
The worst two lines of dialogue in the film, right after Lois and Clark first kiss,
Lois: Don't they say it all goes downhill after the first kiss?
Superman: I'm pretty sure that only applies to humans.
1) Nobody says that it at all goes downhill after the first kiss. Where did Goyer come up with this cultural meme?
Not everything is based on memes, then again, given the way our culture is going...
Perhaps the utterance is based on the greater and well accepted idea that SOMETIMES relationships go down hill after the initial spring of attraction. Not sure about your views on romance and relationships but if someone said something about the significance of "first dates", it would touch on the same idea if not more so.
Then again maybe Goyer(and this movies producers) just watched too many episodes of Married with Children
IMO the biggest enemy of this film is an audience that mixes misunderstanding to a lack of performance. It's not always the case but it is some of the time, which is a tragedy.
Onto this idea that the romance of this film compares badly to the original. First off, I do love how people will gladly mention the originals when they see an opportunity to slight MOS yet seemingly shy away from the originals when the full weight of the comparisons do little for their argument.(see superman 2).
It's my belief that half of the MOS criticism comes from a place of institutionalization. People just aren't looking at things clearly but rather simply seeing a difference and being off put by said difference. Here's an example. In the Donner verse it can be said that lois falls in love with a lie. From the minute she meets this superman character he is lying to her on a very significant level. And this is the greater romance? Moreover, when does this lois fall for this "superman?" Is it perhaps on the same day as every other woman on the planet fall for him? It was very much a "swooning" initial attraction. This point is driven even further when you look at her complete dismissal for this clark kent character. Is this really love?
Fair question and I'm not going to assume to have the answer.
Now to ask similar questions of MOS.
Did lois fall in "love" with a lie? When did lois fall for this guy? Why did she fall for this guy?
-I do know that he shared with her perhaps his deepest secret in that he let his dad die and she then displayed a swell of emotion. That kinda stuff goes along way with building trust and feelings.
-I do know that lois took this mans secrets as her own. That kinda stuff goes along way to building trust and feelings.(seriously folks)
-I do know that their first meeting was him saving her from death with an incredibly invasive and painful surgery and before he did so he asked her to trust him, anyone that watches greys anatomy might tell you that kinda stuff goes along way to building trust and feelings.
-I do know that both of them, together pretty much handed themselves in to certain death for the fate of the planet whilst holding hands, before which clark thanked her for believing in him. That kinda stuff goes along way to building trust and feelings.
-I do know lois met and has a working relationship with two of clarks key parents. That kinda stuff goes along way to buil.....
-I do know there was that tearful embrace there when clark needed his moma the most. That kinda stuff goes along way.....
Lastly, I know that lois knows who superman is, perhaps more than anyone else not named mommy. After the first meeting the two don't have a lie between them. In fact, Lois is the one person that knows that clark has dedicated almost his entire adult human life up to that point to being a thankless hero with no friends and a saddened son. What does Kidder know about superman after their famed first interview?
Coming from someone that thinks the kiss was badly placed(for the most part), anyone that thinks the romance in this film fails in comparison to the original sadly mistaken I think.
What's more people kiss all the time, it's called the dating process. Having memory wiping sex that leads to kids out of wedlock is something odd though I must admit.
I for one think it, like the rest of MOS's premise, the superhero romance was put through the "grounding in reality" filter.
No doubt sending many superman fans in to bouts of confusion.
I commend mark waid for getting though Birthright without a kiss, then again, he wasn't making a hollywood picture.
2) Lois should be attracted to Superman because he's human, not because he's an alien.
come again
Kidder and Reeve's romance was so engaging and amusing. Adams and Cavill just smooched in the end with seemingly no motivation.
duly noted.
