DC Animated - Superman/Batman: Public Enemies

Just got this movie last night, and I LOVED IT !! Waayyy better than Superman/Doomsday. I loved the character design and animation, and the overall story was on point. 10/10.
 
I liked it overall the only I didnt like was Superman's animation. IDK it just looked weird but it was good overall. For me the DCDTVs have been pretty lackluster
I mean I may rewatch them, but there nothing special
The only ones I would consider buy are this one, Wonder Woman, and maybe Gotham Knight ( a big maybe)
 
Watched this a couple of nights ago. I didn't care for it.

I thought the translation of McGuiness' designs from page to film did not work at all. I posted thoughts about my opinion on the designs a few pages back based off of what I was seeing in the previews. Unfortunately, the full movie wasn't any different. The designs were missing a certain roundness and the color pallete lacked any depth or richness. All the characters looked like they lost about 15 pounds of muscle between the comic and the movie. That might not have been a problem had they not drawn the characters so rigid and "cut" instead of massively muscled. It was quite distracting. Some of the CG was a little off looking as well.

I know there are some elements that were in the book that sort of had to be in the film, but honestly, I would have prefered DC went with another story. There were some elements that were just too out there to get over. I'm sure the way the script was written my have had something to do with it, as far as pacing and setting events up. But little Toyman jr. coming in at the last second with the Super-bat bot? "Toyman says there may be a chance he's still alive"?

I agree. Waller looked gross and the kiss scene was weird.

And if Lex was taking Kryptonite injections, why did he need the suit? To look cool? If he was always going to need the suit, then the injections were pointless. I would have prefered he didn't use it, as a bare knuckle brawl between Lex and Supes would have been a cool visual.

And if Lex had turned Superman into an outlaw, and hadn't told the public his true intentions, how'd he end up getting arrested? No one would have believed superman if he told them.

Eh, there were quite a few things that bothered me about this flick. Even with alot of them being things that were already in the comic, I wouldn't have minded some big changes made to the script, ala Superman Doomsday, for the sake of a better overall story.

I say 6/10, but even that feels somehow generous. My favorite part of the DVD was the preview for "Justice League: Crisis on 2 Earths", which looks FANTASTIC. I really think Lauren Montgomery has something special that she has brought to the films she has worked on, and Public Enemies was missing that in spades. I'm glad to hear she is back in the game with JLA: CO2E.

My personal standings are:

1) Green Lantern: First Flight
2) Wonder Woman
3) Batman: Gotham Knight
4) Superman: Doomsday
5) Justice League: New Frontier
6)Superman/Batman: Public Enemies

I really wonder if this guy actually saw the video. If he did (and watched it a couple of times as he said) he would have known that Luthor injected himself with kryptonite (to protect himself from Superman) and a steroid (to give him strenght and stamina to take on Batman. Even with the steroid boost, he clearly wouldn't have been a match for Superman head to head so he used the armor. Lex got arrested for abuse of power. Furthermore, they were attempting to give the look and feel of the McGuiness artwork as to why there was a lot of muscularity to the character. They did not intend to exactly duplicate his art.

I watched this video, and I liked the fact that they had so many charcters in the vid and a lot of action. You really got to see that both Superman and Batman work very well (harmoneously) as a team, that Superman is subtily more powerful than he appears, and that Powergirl is cute. I will not give a rating for this video since the proof will be in the pudding when the revenue results come in over at The Numbers.com.
 
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I liked it overall the only I didnt like was Superman's animation. IDK it just looked weird but it was good overall. For me the DCDTVs have been pretty lackluster
I mean I may rewatch them, but there nothing special
The only ones I would consider buy are this one, Wonder Woman, and maybe Gotham Knight ( a big maybe)


IMO Wonder Woman is the best film, front to back, so far

I'm going to rent Wonder Woman now thanks to you two. :cwink:
 
Once again they've adapted a comic story and left out far too many money shots for me to really enjoy this. No Batman/Superman families storming the White House and most of the great banter between Bat's/Supe's was absent too. So far none of these animated films have come close to Justice League Unlimited. Wonder Woman was the best and even thats only a 3 out of 5 for me.
 
I really enjoyed it, and I loved the animation/character designs. I wasn't familiar with the book, so when
Hawkman and Shazam showed up I was like "Daayyuummn."

It was nice an entertaining. :up:
 
I really wonder if this guy actually saw the video. If he did (and watched it a couple of times as he said) he would have known that Luthor injected himself with kryptonite (to protect himself from Superman) and a steroid (to give him strenght and stamina to take on Batman. Even with the steroid boost, he clearly wouldn't have been a match for Superman head to head so he used the armor. Lex got arrested for abuse of power. Furthermore, they were attempting to give the look and feel of the McGuiness artwork as to why there was a lot of muscularity to the character. They did not intend to exactly duplicate his art.

I watched this video, and I liked the fact that they had so many charcters in the vid and a lot of action. You really got to see that both Superman and Batman work very well (harmoneously) as a team, that Superman is subtily more powerful than he appears, and that Powergirl is cute. I will not give a rating for this video since the proof will be in the pudding when the revenue results come in over at The Numbers.com.


I really wonder if this guy read my post.

Yes, I DID watch the movie. I apologize for not being in the apparent majority, but I did not like the film.

Firstly, I watched it once, a couple nights ago, as you quoted in your own post.

Secondly, yes, I knew Lex injected himself with Kryptonite and steroids (as I said in my review also). I wasn't concerned with Batman and the steroids. It's just that they went out of their way to show Lex injecting himself with kryptonite, but nothing ever really came of it. If he knew it wouldn't be enough to stand up to superman, why do it in the first place? I'm just saying it would have made for a better story in my opinion if they had simply stuck to him using the suit or just the injections. The suit made the injections seem pointless. If the movie was missing the scene where Lex is caught injecting himself, or even if he only mentioned the steroids, it would have been no different because the injections of Kryptonite never really came into play in a way that contributed to the story.

I watched it once, and I really have no desire to see it again, but if I missed something about Lex's arrest, it was because at that point the plot had become so convoluted that I had lost interest and just wanted to see how it ended.

I know they can't successfully duplicate Mcguniess' art work, but I think they could have gotten a bit closer, especially with a style that seems so close to something you would see in animation anyway. If you disagree, that's fine, but to me the design work was very off putting. There was something about it that was missing for me.

This is kind of a random analogy, but I once had some frozen yogurt with my sister and didn't care for it. I told her that It was like if there was a secret ingredient that made ice cream taste the way it tasted, frozen yogurt was missing that ingredient. I suppose a better analogy in these parts would be Richard Pryor's attempt at kryptonite in Superman 3. Sure, it was close, but was missing that one thing that makes it what it is.

To me, this may have been close, but it was missing that something special that would have made me feel they were successful in trying to translate the style for animation.

I too liked that alot of characters who would probably not see alot of screen time were represented in this film. As with my overall opinion though, had the design work been more appealing, I would have been a little more excited about that element of the movie. Everytime Power Girl's face showed up, I cringed. It reminded me of a warped, blonde Betty Boop, especially the first time she is shown in that profile shot on stage.

I wasn't trying to prove a point with my ratings or anything. I simply put mine up cause everybody else was. Of course the movie will make money. No one said it wouldn't. I was just giving a personal opinion on the material.

This does worry me though for other adaptations of stories with very stylized art. If they do end up doing The Long Halloween eventually, I hope that should they try to come up with designs that echo Tim Sale's art, they are a bit more successful. While simply using a typical animation style for a movie like that (ex Superman Doomsday, Green Lantern FF, WW) would be a shame if a Tim Sale style can be achieved, I'd rather have that typical style done really well and used for the story, rather than a half hearted attempt at Sale's style.

Those are my thoughts, no more, no less. I felt the movie was lacking and not DC's best effort. However, everyone gets a freebie and I eagerly await the next film (though it sucks we have to wait until NEXT YEAR!!!).
 
I really wonder if this guy read my post.

Yes I read you post and it looked like you missed quite a few thing that occured in the video. I wasn't sure if you were going on second hand information after that.

... yes, I knew Lex injected himself with Kryptonite and steroids (as I said in my review also). I wasn't concerned with Batman and the steroids. It's just that they went out of their way to show Lex injecting himself with kryptonite, but nothing ever really came of it. If he knew it wouldn't be enough to stand up to superman, why do it in the first place? I'm just saying it would have made for a better story in my opinion if they had simply stuck to him using the suit or just the injections. The suit made the injections seem pointless. If the movie was missing the scene where Lex is caught injecting himself, or even if he only mentioned the steroids, it would have been no different because the injections of Kryptonite never really came into play in a way that contributed to the story.

You just said that you knew that Lex injected himself with a Kryptonite-steroid cocktail, but you turn around and say that nothing ever came out of it. Truth be it known, noting ever came of it in the comic.
In the DTV, Supes doubled over in pain, giving Lex the opportunity to escape.
This is the reason why I am questioning weather you really watched it or not. Now if you watched to video and paid attention, you would have seen
that Superman was able to fight off Metallo (a cyborg with a kryponite heart) and survive being shot by a shard of kryptonite. If Lex Luthor is supposedly as smart as he advertises himself to be, he should be able to figure out that he would need more than just some injections of kryptonite and steroids to beat Superman. In addition, he needed the suit to get to Tokyo to disrupt the Toyman's plans.

I watched it once, and I really have no desire to see it again, but if I missed something about Lex's arrest, it was because at that point the plot had become so convoluted that I had lost interest and just wanted to see how it ended.

I know they can't successfully duplicate Mcguniess' art work, but I think they could have gotten a bit closer, especially with a style that seems so close to something you would see in animation anyway. If you disagree, that's fine, but to me the design work was very off putting. There was something about it that was missing for me.

This is kind of a random analogy, but I once had some frozen yogurt with my sister and didn't care for it. I told her that It was like if there was a secret ingredient that made ice cream taste the way it tasted, frozen yogurt was missing that ingredient. I suppose a better analogy in these parts would be Richard Pryor's attempt at kryptonite in Superman 3. Sure, it was close, but was missing that one thing that makes it what it is.

To me, this may have been close, but it was missing that something special that would have made me feel they were successful in trying to translate the style for animation.

I too liked that alot of characters who would probably not see alot of screen time were represented in this film. As with my overall opinion though, had the design work been more appealing, I would have been a little more excited about that element of the movie. Everytime Power Girl's face showed up, I cringed. It reminded me of a warped, blonde Betty Boop, especially the first time she is shown in that profile shot on stage.

I wasn't trying to prove a point with my ratings or anything. I simply put mine up cause everybody else was. Of course the movie will make money. No one said it wouldn't. I was just giving a personal opinion on the material.

This does worry me though for other adaptations of stories with very stylized art. If they do end up doing The Long Halloween eventually, I hope that should they try to come up with designs that echo Tim Sale's art, they are a bit more successful. While simply using a typical animation style for a movie like that (ex Superman Doomsday, Green Lantern FF, WW) would be a shame if a Tim Sale style can be achieved, I'd rather have that typical style done really well and used for the story, rather than a half hearted attempt at Sale's style.

Those are my thoughts, no more, no less. I felt the movie was lacking and not DC's best effort. However, everyone gets a freebie and I eagerly await the next film (though it sucks we have to wait until NEXT YEAR!!!).

That's just your opinion. I though it was a great vid, and they were very respectful to the source material, actually matching many of the secenes panel for panel at times. My only dissappointment was that John Stewart was not in this storyline where he actually was in the comic. I don't know the real reason why, but I hope it has sometihing to do with the film rights to Green Lantern (although Hal Jordan will be in the next DTV, go figure).
 
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Well, Superman's fluctuating reactions to Kryptonite was one of my other concerns with the film.
As he fought metallo, at some points it was like he couldn't get near him ,and at others he was wiping the floor with him. Had he been unable to touch him at first and then through the fight made himself fight to put up with it a little more, it would have made a little more sense, but here it went back and forth so many times. At one point, it was almost like getting near him did nothing, but when he looked at it he doubled over in pain.

I guess I did forget a few things regarding the injections and the suit, and I'll cop to that.
The plot was just so all over the place, from them being outlaws, to the meteor, to the robot, that after one viewing it was a bit hard to remember all the events.

I will agree that it would be cool for John Stewart to pop up every now and then, but they probably want to get Hal as much exposure as he can get with his film coming up.
 
The fluctuating reactions to kryptonite was only a reflection of what went down in the comics. It seems that nowadays, Superman has built up a resistance to kryptonite, or he can suck it up when he wants to. You might have seen the plot being all over the place but I saw it as virtually non-stop action. It was very respectful to the comic story arc with a few tactical twists. All in all it was very well done an I look forward to their next edition in the ever growing DCU animated video library.
 
I'm still waiting for something to sell this to me. An awkward looking art style, a ton of random characters that are probably just shallow cameos rather than worth being interested in, and your generic Superman/Batman team up and kick Luthor's sorry butt story. That's what the trailer I saw showed me.

It doesn't seem like this should be much more than a small story arc in the Justice League cartoon series, probably similar to one we've already seen (not that that's a new concept). It certainly would have benefited from that art style, anyway.

Maybe I'm a bit biased as well because the thought of Batman and Superman existing in the same reality seems utterly cheesy to me. Then again, I've enjoyed the pairing in the past regardless of that, so... that can't be the issue.
 
I expected not to like this release, but I actually enjoyed it quite a bit.

I'm not crazy about the art direction (I hated the art in the comic), but it only bothered me for the first 5-10 minutes, and then I got used to it.
 
I really enjoyed it, and I loved the animation/character designs. I wasn't familiar with the book, so when
Hawkman and Shazam showed up I was like "Daayyuummn."

It was nice an entertaining. :up:

"Daayyuummn."

That's what I'm talking ABOUT!!! :awesome:
 
I'm still waiting for something to sell this to me. An awkward looking art style, a ton of random characters that are probably just shallow cameos rather than worth being interested in, and your generic Superman/Batman team up and kick Luthor's sorry butt story. That's what the trailer I saw showed me.

It doesn't seem like this should be much more than a small story arc in the Justice League cartoon series, probably similar to one we've already seen (not that that's a new concept). It certainly would have benefited from that art style, anyway.

Maybe I'm a bit biased as well because the thought of Batman and Superman existing in the same reality seems utterly cheesy to me. Then again, I've enjoyed the pairing in the past regardless of that, so... that can't be the issue.

If you ever get the chance, go read the comic story arc (its probably in trade paperback). You will really appreciate how respectful the vid was to the comic. Just to give you an idea here is a comparison of how Powergirl was done in the DTV compared to the comic:

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Love the movie! Probably my favorite of the DTVs released so far, certainly up there with The New Frontier and Wonder Woman for me. I enjoy seeing the way these characters are drawn in the book come to life in these movies. I hope WB continues this approach with other stories that have a particular style that can be duplicated. As much as WB has struggled bringing these characters to life on the big screen, I'm happy to see they are doing such a quality job in the animation department. :up:
 
yea its funny they can do good things in the animation department but for live action they are still stilling on their butts for flash/ww/etc.....
 
One reason I think animated superhero movies work better and faster than live action comic films is that they are closer to each other.
In animation, like comics, the audience is willing to be more accepting since its a comic or animation. Drawings doing things instead of real people. There are other things, but I think thats a big one.
That way they don't have to worry about things looking or seeming realistic.
Thats why I always thought there should be a fully animated, Disney quality, (made for theaters) superhero movie. Like a 2 hour animated Avengers, or JLA, movie. Because then the audiance wouldn't be worried about people in brightly colored costumes.

I just saw it and I thought it was great. McGuinnis' style transferred really well into animation. It was really nice.
Too bad they didn't get longer to develop stuff more and maybe focus on characters more. But it was really nice.
 
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I liked it well enough....have issues with Allison Mack as Power Girl...don't like the taint of Smallville in the DCU proper....I take solace in knowing that her career is done after Smallville ends anyway
 
I liked it well enough....have issues with Allison Mack as Power Girl...don't like the taint of Smallville in the DCU proper....I take solace in knowing that her career is done after Smallville ends anyway

:whatever:
 
don't roll at me Saw...she would be doing other things when Smallville is on break if she was going to have a career past the show
 
don't roll at me Saw...she would be doing other things when Smallville is on break if she was going to have a career past the show

Well, thats true, but still.... "The taint of Smallville"? You sound like one of those ridiculous fanboys on the AICN boards. :o

I'd expect better from someone that watches BSG.
 

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