Deadpool & Wolverine Deadpool & Wolverine News and General Discussion Thread

[XtremelyBaneful]

I know the real world answer these are all different creators working on different movies, it's time travel it doesn't ever make sense, yaddda yadaa. But sidestepping that for a moment, I think you can chalk it up to different methods of time travel using different sources of power. So in the DoFP's case, it utilized by Kitty's and Xavier's powers to send his mind backwards into his old body ala The Butterfly Effect. So that's why he's on the same "timeline/universe". Same thing with Ms. Marvel, her method of time travel was utilized by ancient Kree bangles that were created for wormhole space travel within the same universe. So it's not entirely farfetched that think that the wormholes could be utilized to travel in time within the same universe as well.


But ultimately I don't imagine it will really getting addressed too much and if it does, they might gloss over it.

yeah, I am expecting them to gloss over it. it's obscure so it's probably not even worth Deadpool making a metajoke out of it either.

besides, the time travel/multiverse traversal in Kittty's & Xavier's powers also occurred in the MCU, just in specific instances. the first being the events that kickstarted Endgame, which was Antman getting trapped in the quantum realm and then exiting the quantum realm in his same exact reality, and the second (again, an event that is disputed) time was right at the end with old Steve Rogers who decided to go back in time and somehow got to stay in his own original timeline to live through to old age.

I saw the Marvels which did not have time travel, but I didn't see Ms. Marvel. based on your post I'm guessing her series did feature some time travel in the plot.

 

[blackdragon6]

I see your Vol 3 battle, and raise you a CW Airport battle.

I actually thought the airport scene was kinda cringe tbh. Now the interpersonal fight between Cap and Tony was great and felt more personal.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I actually thought the airport scene was kinda cringe tbh. Now the interpersonal fight between Cap and Tony was great and felt more personal.

I agree. I think Civil War is one of the most overrated films in the MCU, and one of the worst adaptations from a storyline from the comics

 

[psylockolussus]

I actually thought the airport scene was kinda cringe tbh. Now the interpersonal fight between Cap and Tony was great and felt more personal.

That fight scene with Iron Man vs. Bucky and Capt. America was intense!!!

RDJ really sold that scene when he said, he's also Steve's friend.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

I saw the Marvels which did not have time travel, but I didn't see Ms. Marvel. based on your post I'm guessing her series did feature some time travel in the plot.

Oh yeah I forgot she time traveled in that.

But anyway didn't Endgame also have everyone talking about how the variant timelines will merge back together if they return the Infinity Stones and "trim the branches"? What was up with that?

 

[JP]

Did anyone else notice Casandra's fingers are elongated?

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Oh yeah I forgot she time traveled in that.

But anyway didn't Endgame also have everyone talking about how the variant timelines will merge back together if they return the Infinity Stones and "trim the branches"? What was up with that?

Loki season 1 did touch upon the "pruning" or "resetting" of timelines but honestly I found that really convoluted. I dunno if season 2 touched upon the rules of timelines/realities/universes but I didn't watch it yet.

to your question though, the conversation between the Ancient One & Bruce is just about if an infinity stone is removed from the reality, then it sets that reality on a dark path. which is why Steve needed to return to that reality to give the stone back in that same moment.

but it's impossible to merge the variant timeline to be exactly the way it was with the original timeline, because in the original timeline:

1. the Ancient One never had a conversation with Bruce Banner from the Future
2. the Ancient One was never visited by Steve Rogers to return an infinity stone
3. Steve Rogers doesn't fight himself
4. Tony Stark never gets a mild cardiac dysrhythmia caused by a future Scott Lang which Thor cures with a resuscitation using mjolnir
4. Loki does not steal the tesseract a second time, he goes back to Asgard

and so on and so forth. for all intents and purposes, the Avengers created several alternate universes in Endgame, all of which are parallel and similar to their own but not their own because those events didn't happen in their past; their past is the original from which the rest branched off from.

 

[psylockolussus]

Hopefully this will be clear in Secret Wars.

I know its only 12 episodes, but I have no interest revisiting Loki the show.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

Also it's not just DoFP with different time travel. Deadpool 2 features a single malleable timeline that has a connection to the afterlife, so we see Deadpool's soul literally being pulled out of the afterlife when Cable changes the timeline so he didn't die.

 

[CyclopsSummers]

so, something that I have been wondering about now that I am actually seeing Deadpool doing actual interaction with the MCU.

Endgame established by the MCU's multiversal and time travel rules, that time traveling does not change the universe you're in, but instead creates alternate universes of your universe just by you doing act of time traveling your own history. it creates an alternate history of your own original history, and the new universe you created will veer off from your own history based on whatever changes you make by time traveling to that point.

however, in X-Men DoFP, the time travel rules were completely different. Kitty's powers allowed Wolverine to travel back in time in his universe, and alter the history of his universe instead of creating an alternate one. now that it has been established that the previous Fox universe is part of the same multiverse as Disney's MCU, I wonder the different rules of time travel will matter at all?

I very much doubt it, even though it was this very thing that was making old Steve Rogers' appearance in Endgame contradictory in conversations.

Thats why Fox verse cant fit with MCU.
Fox universe cant be integrated into MCU multiverse. X-men saga is full**** too many inconsistencies.

This Wolverine comes from a destroyed universe, thats all. We dont know which universe he is from, like Defender Strange and Evil Strange in MOTM.
He 's a variant made in MCU , like all others x-villains (Pyro, Deathstrike, Sabretooth ....) Im sure they are all variants, just with a Fox similar look.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

Thats why Fox verse cant fit with MCU.
Fox universe cant be integrated into MCU multiverse. X-men saga is full**** too many inconsistencies.

This Wolverine comes from a destroyed universe, thats all. We dont know which universe he is from, like Defender Strange and Evil Strange in MOTM.
He 's a variant made in MCU , like all others x-villains (Pyro, Deathstrike, Sabretooth ....) Im sure they are all variants, just with a Fox similar look.

But aren't all Marvel universes part of the same multiverse by default? I feel like that basic conceit means the multiverse has to have a way to account for different time travel rules in different universes, or for any other variation in the laws of reality.

 

[DyeLorean]

Nothing makes sense at this point, come on. They can do whatever they want and explain it poorly.

 

[Gothamsknight]

this is always my go to guy for blockbuster movie and trailer breakdowns on Youtube

I'm more of a Heavy Spoilers guy

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Nothing makes sense at this point, come on. They can do whatever they want and explain it poorly.

I will accept nothing less than a highly logical, well thought out time travel system. If we're not talking some Primer **** here, I'm walking outta the theatre

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

But aren't all Marvel universes part of the same multiverse by default? I feel like that basic conceit means the multiverse has to have a way to account for different time travel rules in different universes, or for any other variation in the laws of reality.

Yeah this is essentially what I was gonna say to @CyclopsSummers in response.

Before Disney bought Fox I would say that there are enough contradictions in the MCU franchise alone that adding the Fox's Marvel cinematic universe would just increase the convolution 10 fold, but now it's a reality since Disney has bought Fox and we're already seeing some of the integration.

Sure it's full of inconsistencies and my point is that because they're all put together now it's even more inconsistent, but they just won't address it and probably move on with their storytelling.

 

[DyeLorean]

I will accept nothing less than a highly logical, well thought out time travel system. If we're not talking some Primer **** here, I'm walking outta the theatre

I KNOW RIGHT

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I'm more of a Heavy Spoilers guy

Heavy Spoilers is good too. And as much as I'm a fan of NR, they do make some mistakes. Even in the end of their D&W trailer breakdown, EV says that the mystic portals can open pathways between different universes, but that's inaccurate. Unless of course they're gonna retcon it in this movie.

The mystic portals in the MCU just open pathways that are shortcuts in the same universe; kinda like wormholes I guess. EV uses the portals Ned opens to bring the legacy Spider-Men to him as an example of the portals being multiversal pathways, but the legacy Peters were already in the MCU when that happened. Ned wasn't bringing them in from their respective universes in NwH.

The only multiversal portals we have seen so far in the MCU iirc, are those star-shaped portals that America Chavez can conjur which we saw her do in Dr. Strange 2.

 

[DarkKnight88]

I actually thought the airport scene was kinda cringe tbh. Now the interpersonal fight between Cap and Tony was great and felt more personal.

It’s so poorly shot, and so bland of a location, that other than seeing all your favorite characters on screen interact, it really loses a lot of replay value after the subsequent better Avengers films with actual stakes of life and death.

The airport is very reminiscent of what was to come from the Russo Netflix “action” lol

 

[DyeLorean]

It’s so poorly shot, and so bland of a location, that other than seeing all your favorite characters on screen interact, it really loses a lot of replay value after the subsequent better Avengers films with actual stakes of life and death.

The airport is very reminiscent of what was to come from the Russo Netflix “action” lol

The novelty of watching Spider-Man and Giant-Man for the first time in the MCU simply can't be replicated now. It had a lot of great things at the time that made us forget the ugly grey environment in which the scene takes place.

 

[blueharvest]

 

[Harleen SB]

I actually thought the airport scene was kinda cringe tbh. Now the interpersonal fight between Cap and Tony was great and felt more personal.

Emotionally this is peak MCU

 

[Lily Adler]

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Emotionally this is peak MCU

Just kiss already.

 

[Arachnerd]

Bucky and Steve or Steve and Tony?

 

[psylockolussus]

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Emotionally this is peak MCU

It was heart wrenching.

I was hurt seeing two friends fight another because one, chose to defend his other friend.