Dear God. Stick To The Source Material

[highguard]

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oh no, you just lost me there. NO Ultimate Galactus, PLEASE. that would be as bad as the gas thing,

Lol, we are in agreement Horatio, I meant Ultimate Alliance Galactus.

For the most part I think that if Fox had stuck with most of the source material they would have had a better film. I think what happens is that sometimes the fanboys (those who claim to be) they hire to write these things are a little ashamed sometimes of their comic book credentials, so they do all of this contemporizing/changes of the stuff.

Now I think that introducing 616 Doom in the context of a two hour movie would have been difficult. They would have had to use a one or two line reference as you said and not really try to show much of that origin on screen, because they would have had to do it seperately to the FF. Now the Origin of Doom, Latveria and all the other stuff, Doombots, His castle and stuff would have been a massive undertaking to do on its own.

I don't think it was impossible but difficult. Now a really great writer might have been able to do it cause anything is possible.

The funny thing is that it worked well enough to make enough money to enable them to actually give us more of the 616 Doom and do a transition to a more classic armored Doom.

Now here is where you hit it dead on Horatio they are saying that they are going to touch on his roots. Sounds to me like one or two lines/scenes exploring the origin of his new kingdom.

I wonder if what Roger Corman did contributed any to the changes they made in the first film, just saying.

Obviously the problem here with Doom lies at the feet of the writers. These were early days and I think the Studios are only now becoming aware of how seriously hardcore fans react to these changes. So when Frost came in with his script the red flags did not go up. Here is where Avi should have put his foot down, but Avi admitted that Fox had all the power in the deal and I think Fox were not really sure about what they had with the FF and if they were using Singer as a model, he made wholesale changes and the fans for the most part ate it up. Now they know that FF is a different animal. There are four of them and that is pretty much it. The brow, the powers, the fans want the definitive look and nothing else. Who can recall the fear that the torch would not flame on ala early iceman.

So now they must know changes are ok, but they must be VERY MINOR.

Now Fox is not alone in tinkering over at Sony for instance no one is really talking about it but Venom's origin is going to be somewhat different from the original comic book story.

And I am curious about is why they are introducing Gwen Stacy after the fact. I would have prefered having Gwen at the beginning because it would have set up so much tension for the whole franchise because we all know what happened to our beloved Gwen.

Singer remade the Xmen and Ratner has been getting stick for the failure of the Phoenix storyline but in essence the phoenix storyline was never set up by any of the first two movies. There were so many changes from the definitive Xmen, Iceman, Rogue, and Storm was like a caricature, but this was almost inevitable with all the characters they have.

So what we are seeing is that there are complexities involved in sticking completely to the source material, depending on the property.

The greater the difficulty the more work required in the script.

Look at what the WB just did to Joss Whedon and David Goyer. Two luminary and proven guys. Studios are looking harder at the scripts now.

I think that is why so many people are singing Don Payne's praises because they are saying that he wrote a really great script.

In essence the studios and those in the know are acknowleging that Frost for all his fanboy claims did not work hard enough to tie up the source. I think frost got the essence of definitive Johnny and Ben right. Reed was done along the lines of a guy who was mainly a big brain but his confidence took a hit because they tied Doom into the FF's origin and Reed basicaly had to cowtow to Victor. Now Sue's character and Reed was basically dictated by the connected origin plot.

So we can see that the writer really had a tremendous contribution to what we saw on screen.

Now from what we are hearing it seems like Story and Fox have a handle on what these characters should be like and the script seems to be serving those characters well.

Now we understand why they were still working on the script up to the start of filming and during the shoot.

Now if they just give us 616 Galactus Horatio we may all be on the hype celebrating on June 15th.

Now if Payne is the fanboy he claims he could not possibly give us Gah lak tus and if Story is sane, lol even if he did would overide him and convince the studio that if 616 Galactus is not what we get that they could as well cut their faces off and never ever talk to the hardcore fans ever again.

I think they brought the film in under budget. I think they have enough to do Galactus and fit him in.

I am convinced that they will. If they don't then Horatio on June 15th I will probably enjoy the movie but I will be thinking of what might have been.

 

[gambitfire]

just logged on and havn't read anything in this thread but have we moved on from mocking the title?

 

[Advanced Dark]

Galactus is not gas in this film just to clear things up and he's not a cloud.

 

[HoratioRome]

Lol, we are in agreement Horatio, I meant Ultimate Alliance Galactus.

For the most part I think that if Fox had stuck with most of the source material they would have had a better film. I think what happens is that sometimes the fanboys (those who claim to be) they hire to write these things are a little ashamed sometimes of their comic book credentials, so they do all of this contemporizing/changes of the stuff.

Now I think that introducing 616 Doom in the context of a two hour movie would have been difficult. They would have had to use a one or two line reference as you said and not really try to show much of that origin on screen, because they would have had to do it seperately to the FF. Now the Origin of Doom, Latveria and all the other stuff, Doombots, His castle and stuff would have been a massive undertaking to do on its own.

I don't think it was impossible but difficult. Now a really great writer might have been able to do it cause anything is possible.

The funny thing is that it worked well enough to make enough money to enable them to actually give us more of the 616 Doom and do a transition to a more classic armored Doom.

Now here is where you hit it dead on Horatio they are saying that they are going to touch on his roots. Sounds to me like one or two lines/scenes exploring the origin of his new kingdom.

I wonder if what Roger Corman did contributed any to the changes they made in the first film, just saying.

Obviously the problem here with Doom lies at the feet of the writers. These were early days and I think the Studios are only now becoming aware of how seriously hardcore fans react to these changes. So when Frost came in with his script the red flags did not go up. Here is where Avi should have put his foot down, but Avi admitted that Fox had all the power in the deal and I think Fox were not really sure about what they had with the FF and if they were using Singer as a model, he made wholesale changes and the fans for the most part ate it up. Now they know that FF is a different animal. There are four of them and that is pretty much it. The brow, the powers, the fans want the definitive look and nothing else. Who can recall the fear that the torch would not flame on ala early iceman.

So now they must know changes are ok, but they must be VERY MINOR.

Now Fox is not alone in tinkering over at Sony for instance no one is really talking about it but Venom's origin is going to be somewhat different from the original comic book story.

And I am curious about is why they are introducing Gwen Stacy after the fact. I would have prefered having Gwen at the beginning because it would have set up so much tension for the whole franchise because we all know what happened to our beloved Gwen.

Singer remade the Xmen and Ratner has been getting stick for the failure of the Phoenix storyline but in essence the phoenix storyline was never set up by any of the first two movies. There were so many changes from the definitive Xmen, Iceman, Rogue, and Storm was like a caricature, but this was almost inevitable with all the characters they have.

So what we are seeing is that there are complexities involved in sticking completely to the source material, depending on the property.

The greater the difficulty the more work required in the script.

Look at what the WB just did to Joss Whedon and David Goyer. Two luminary and proven guys. Studios are looking harder at the scripts now.

I think that is why so many people are singing Don Payne's praises because they are saying that he wrote a really great script.

In essence the studios and those in the know are acknowleging that Frost for all his fanboy claims did not work hard enough to tie up the source. I think frost got the essence of definitive Johnny and Ben right. Reed was done along the lines of a guy who was mainly a big brain but his confidence took a hit because they tied Doom into the FF's origin and Reed basicaly had to cowtow to Victor. Now Sue's character and Reed was basically dictated by the connected origin plot.

So we can see that the writer really had a tremendous contribution to what we saw on screen.

Now from what we are hearing it seems like Story and Fox have a handle on what these characters should be like and the script seems to be serving those characters well.

Now we understand why they were still working on the script up to the start of filming and during the shoot.

Now if they just give us 616 Galactus Horatio we may all be on the hype celebrating on June 15th.

Now if Payne is the fanboy he claims he could not possibly give us Gah lak tus and if Story is sane, lol even if he did would overide him and convince the studio that if 616 Galactus is not what we get that they could as well cut their faces off and never ever talk to the hardcore fans ever again.

I think they brought the film in under budget. I think they have enough to do Galactus and fit him in.

I am convinced that they will. If they don't then Horatio on June 15th I will probably enjoy the movie but I will be thinking of what might have been.

well said.
fair enough.
I was thinking about highlighting the key points you made but I found that the whole thing was so well thought out that I would have to highlight everything.
to quickly hit on a couple of things.
Oh you meant Ultimate ALLIANCE Galactus,...whew,..now that makes sense. btw, how cool would that look on the big screen?

I agree that doing the complete origin of Doom would have been difficult to put in with the origin of the FF. But I do think they could have done it the way the comics did.
start with the relationship of Victor and Reed in college. Show the rivalry and quickly touch on where victor is from and why he is the way he is. (a 1 minute dialogue at most). show the explosion that creates doom. then go on to show the FF go off into space and becoming the FF. they come back they become famous. from a castle in latveria we get a shot of an iron gloved hand watching the FF on a very sophisticated screen. Camera pans, and we get a frontal shot of Doom sitting on a throne chair. he stands and exclaims his revenge. and that's it. During their conflict you could throw in a quick explanation of him going to the monestary and putting on the mask for the first time. (with a quick flashback).

I really think that could be done and take as much time as what they came up with. but anyway.

I sincerly hope that you are right and that Fox/story/hollywood have learned a lesson. I hope they get it. I really do. and if they do I'll be right there with you jumping for joy. I respect your optimism but I don't share it. based on their record they have to show me first.

now the one time I do not think it is possible for hollywood to have stayed true to the comics is Venom. THAT just involves WAY too much. Having said that, I am somewhat concerned with the direction raimi and sony are taking with SM3. they seem to be taking much greater liberties than before. Introducing Gwen now, the sandman killed Ben angle, the totally different new goblin outfit, the possible redesign of venom, etc., etc.This is a case however where I'm optimistic based on what came before. Raimi has earned that based on SM1 and 2, But I will keep my eyes open.

I totally agree about ratner getting a bum rap over the xmen. Singer IMO made such a complete change from the source material that it was impossible for anyone to bring it back. I hate singer for what he did to the xmen, and blame him for the hollywood/fan mentality that you have to change it to make it work.

once again I hope you are right and that Story learned something. and if they do give us Galactus, I'll buy you a beer.

 

[Nokio]

I sincerly hope that you are right and that Fox/story/hollywood have learned a lesson. I hope they get it. I really do. and if they do I'll be right there with you jumping for joy. I respect your optimism but I don't share it. based on their record they have to show me first.

now the one time I do not think it is possible for hollywood to have stayed true to the comics is Venom. THAT just involves WAY too much. Having said that, I am somewhat concerned with the direction raimi and sony are taking with SM3. they seem to be taking much greater liberties than before. Introducing Gwen now, the sandman killed Ben angle, the totally different new goblin outfit, the possible redesign of venom, etc., etc.This is a case however where I'm optimistic based on what came before. Raimi has earned that based on SM1 and 2, But I will keep my eyes open.

I totally agree about ratner getting a bum rap over the xmen. Singer IMO made such a complete change from the source material that it was impossible for anyone to bring it back. I hate singer for what he did to the xmen, and blame him for the hollywood/fan mentality that you have to change it to make it work.

once again I hope you are right and that Story learned something. and if they do give us Galactus, I'll buy you a beer.

Well I give Story a pass on the first one cause he had no power in the making of the film. His job was just to shoot the film.

Ratner is a capable director, and as long as the script is good he could pull it off. The man would have made an xfilm that majority of fans would've liked had he had more time to work on it and the writers had more time to pull things together and FOX not insist on the short running time and the killing off of major characters. Ratner did the best he could considering Singer's mucking up of the source material and FoX's meddling. You could see the makings of a great movie. I'll say one thing action wise Ratner did good. Yeah there was some problems with some of the action and FX, but that again falls on the time he had to work with.

Do not hold your breath for 616 Galactus, The hints are there that he's been watered down and altered to the point where fans are going to be unhappy. I just fear a lame expalination as to how they find out who Galactus and the SS are with no Watcher there and how Galactus is turned away with no ultimate nulifier. If anything good can come from the Ultimate universe it'll be The Vision or something similar that explains about Galactus and possiably a way to defeat him since we 're not getting the Watcher. The only way i see to go is the GOV knew about the SS and Galactus coming from a messenger who's sent out to warn planets much like The Ultimate Vision and the GOV goes to the F4 to enlist there help. One can only hope this is the route they go.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Please share those hints with us.

 

[Nokio]

yup I agree,
Personaly I enjoyed X3. I don't consider it or any of the Xmovies to be THE x-men but the film was fun and enjoyeable.
just not a good xmen movie.
Having said that, there is no doubt that mixing the 2 storylines took away from each storyline. Especially the Phoenix saga.
I'm afraid that this is exactly what will happen with FF2.
even if it's good, it won't be as good as it should be.

Well somebody who actually thinks like me. When I see fanboys just tear into a movie and not enjoy it as an Elseworlds story or a Marvel's What If I just feel for them. That's exactly what the Xfilms where. There were stories that took place on an alternate Earth and not 616. I may be to kind with how Singer screwed things up along with FOX. It wasn't terriably bad, but as you've said they weren't real xmen movies or stories based off of 616.

I've tried to see the f4 that way, but to much was just wrong with the first one. The spirit was there, but changes like doom, which could've worked and no effort at all put forth to show that reed was a leader and the smartest man on Earth just killed it for me. Johnny and Ben was fine, in fact Johnny was perfect. Ben was Ben in spirit, but the look was off. Sue was fine. The worst part is the Cosmic Storm chamber that was poorly done and The Thing telling Reed am good as is at the end when Reed said he can rework the chamber to make him normal? WTF?? The fact that Reed couldn't cure Ben was always a strong point of the F4 's history, and now He can just go back to being regular Ben when he gets tired??? That was unforgiveable period.


That is just simply bad writting, no two ways about it and that could've been fixed so simply. You know like Reed having samples of the gas from the cosmic cloud that he was using with the chamber and Ben used to last of it to change back into the Thing. Did the writer try to even fix that after he went over it or them rewrites done by that Kinberg fellow? Story says he's a fan, did he even try to clean that mess up? No. That is why the f4 was just pissed all over. I'm surprised it made the level of money it did. The only saving grace I feel is that FOX was not happy that the critics ripped it to shreds causing a decrease in box office take. Now they may have possiably learned by bringing in a new writer and what looks to be a better and more solid film, but i'm not lowering my guard that FOX has learned it's lesson and cares enough for the source material.

 

[echostation]

at least the X-men in terms of advertising were scenes from the film and acting in the film... same with Ghost Rider, did Sony make Ghost Rider play baseball? Did WB show Batman or Superman playing golf and badminton respectively? Sticking to the source material means sticking to the universe at hand... not playing sports.

 

[Kelly]

@ Nokio, according to Kinberg, none of that script was his.....

 

[wobbly]

@ Nokio, according to Kinberg, none of that script was his.....

Kinberg didn't have a hand in the original script (I think that dubious honor goes to Mark Frost & Michael France) but was called in to help with 're-writes' that he later described as being no more than tightening up of dialogue here and there (or something like that).

Afaik, the screenplay for this one has been written solely by Don Payne who doesn't seem to have much in the way of credits beyond TV Work with The Simpsons and one feature film in "My Super- Ex-Girlfriend".

 

[Kelly]

Kinberg didn't have a hand in the original script (I think that dubious honor goes to Mark Frost & Michael France) but was called in to help with 're-writes' that he later described as being no more than tightening up of dialogue here and there (or something like that).

Afaik, the screenplay for this one has been written solely by Don Payne who doesn't seem to have much in the way of credits beyond TV Work with The Simpsons and one feature film in "My Super- Ex-Girlfriend".

Yep, I think thats exactly what I read......

As far as the first movie...I didn't see anything from the France script in the final movie......it looked solely like the weak Frost script........since I have not read any script for this one (thank god) I can't say what Payne has done with the script....but from what he has said so far, I have alittle more confidence than I did with Frost.....of course we won't know until we see the final product

 

[gerbstat]

Yep, I think thats exactly what I read......

As far as the first movie...I didn't see anything from the France script in the final movie......it looked solely like the weak Frost script........since I have not read any script for this one (thank god) I can't say what Payne has done with the script....but from what he has said so far, I have alittle more confidence than I did with Frost.....of course we won't know until we see the final product

There were a number of elements in the first movie that survived from the France script:

1. The scene with Johnny on the cycle kissing the woman in the t-bird;
2. The concept of an experiment on a space station;
3. Skiing/snowboarding scene on the mountatin;
4. Ben's significant other dumping him after his transformation.

Come to think of it, although the France script was pretty epic in its scope, there were a lot of things in it that purists would have hated. For example:

1. Cosmic rays had no part in the origin - it was a nanotech transformation chamber.
2. Doom was an organic-metal hybrid - no traditional Doom.
3. Doom was not Victor Von Doom. He was Victor Obretch, a scientist.

Still, I'd like to see some more of the original script in the sequels.

 

[Kelly]

There were a number of elements in the first movie that survived from the France script:

1. The scene with Johnny on the cycle kissing the woman in the t-bird;
2. The concept of an experiment on a space station;
3. Skiing/snowboarding scene on the mountatin;
4. Ben's significant other dumping him after his transformation.

Come to think of it, although the France script was pretty epic in its scope, there were a lot of things in it that purists would have hated. For example:

1. Cosmic rays had no part in the origin - it was a nanotech transformation chamber.
2. Doom was an organic-metal hybrid - no traditional Doom.
3. Doom was not Victor Von Doom. He was Victor Obretch, a scientist.

Still, I'd like to see some more of the original script in the sequels.

Yes, but there was not a love triangle....Sue and Reed were together from the beginning.....it was closer as far as their characterization.....but its been 2 years since I read it...
1. Motorcycle scene not really key...
2. That scene wasn't exactly like it was in the Frost script either....
3. Mountain scene could have been left out as far as I'm concerned...
4. Again, could have been left out as we...


Not great scenes to have taken from the France Script....IMO....


As far as Doom, they didn't get Doom in the movie anyway.....so hell might as well have gone with the France script.....from the people around here that read both.....it seemed the comic fans were happier with the France script than Frost's mediocre replacement....

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'm sorry but...

There are certain moments in FF1 where the script reads almost word-for-word with X3's. I don't care what Kinberg is saying after the fact--he did work on that first project. He was only distanced from the project to repair perception of him as a writer as he took on X-Men 3.

 

[Iron Maiden]

I have plowed through much of this and so much of this was said/written 18 months ago. The only thing I have to conclude about this is that at one point, Don Payne was writing something at the same time Mark Frost was. Both treatments were submitted and Fox picked one over the other. Let's hope they made a wise decision. From the few clues that have been dropped (and Julian has been the chattiest so far), we know that at least part of the script will be an homage to FF#57-60. How faithful an homage is anybody's guess at this point.

 

[highguard]

...

once again I hope you are right and that Story learned something. and if they do give us Galactus, I'll buy you a beer.

And I would be the first to drink a toast to Tim and all of those who kept the flame burning under the Fox to give us the movie FF deserves.

 

[Tony Stark]

This is quite possibly the dumbest thread that's ever been created. First off the source material for 300 is the battle of Thermopylae. Second of all, you can't compare a graphic novel to the longest running comic title in the history of comics.

I get so sick of fanboys talking about how 300, Sin City and V for Vendetta are examples the Fantastic Four need to follow. It's apples and oranges.

 

[Nokio]

Kinberg didn't have a hand in the original script (I think that dubious honor goes to Mark Frost & Michael France) but was called in to help with 're-writes' that he later described as being no more than tightening up of dialogue here and there (or something like that).

Afaik, the screenplay for this one has been written solely by Don Payne who doesn't seem to have much in the way of credits beyond TV Work with The Simpsons and one feature film in "My Super- Ex-Girlfriend".

I never said he did. I was just saying that this man read the script and did a rewrite. He could have easily put in some dialogue that was more in tune with the comics, like the fact that Reed couldn't cure Ben. Kinberg said he was fan of the F4 and the xmen, but it was all lies. I just don't see how some of these people continue to get work or put on these projects. I don't know how much power Kinberg has or doesn't, but i know he's not a good screenwriter from the list of projects i've read that he's been involved with. Who knows, he may be a great screenwriter, but comics isn't the genre he should be working on.

I never understood why some of the good comic writers can't be hired or either brought in to work on the script. You have guys like Grant Morrison, Warren Ellias who has done good work in a lot of comics. What's so hard about pulling these guys on board? What's so hard about guys like Dini and Timm, both of whom has done great work on the animated DC cartoons, but yet they were no where to be found for SR?

I know theirs a difference between writing a comic and writing a movie, but these people at the least could have been brought in some creative fashion. Some great writers have worked on the F4 and yet not one person from Marvel had a hand in the script for the F4 film. Why do I even bother. So far Sony and Rami have done the best job with SPiderman and it's why they rake in a ton of money from those films. They may have taken some liberties with the source material, but it worked out none the less.

I'm a Harry Potter fan, and I thank god that JK Rowling had a hand in the creative process or otherwise Potter would have probably been american and god knows what else. Harry Potter is proff positive that sticking to the source material works.

 

[wobbly]

I'm sorry but...

There are certain moments in FF1 where the script reads almost word-for-word with X3's. I don't care what Kinberg is saying after the fact--he did work on that first project. He was only distanced from the project to repair perception of him as a writer as he took on X-Men 3.

I think that is quite possible as he wasn't making those kinda noises when he was called in (recall him banging on about what a fan he was and so on, but nothing about only having a minimal role). It was only after the critical mauling of FF1 he stepped up to distance himself from it.

And looking at his other works though (Mr & Mrs Smith and X3) I have to say I can't see why anyone does rate the guy.

 

[Retroman]

I'd love for them to stay more closely to the source material in some instanties with the FF movies and i do get the feeling that Story and co want to do the same too. It's just the studio that seems to be getting in the way of creative decisions. I'm not saying they should stick as religiously close shot-for-shot like 300 but certain elements that made the books popular in the first place should remain in tact.

For me the fact that Galactus is still a talking point for the filmmakers at this very late stage is not good (he's still been designed - WTF?). He never should be an issue if you're doing a SS movie. That should be one of the first things you're writing and designing plus the actors should know what he looks like too. Which some (Ioan) don't even seem to know! At least Doug Jones did his homework.....

 

[wobbly]

I never said he did. I was just saying that this man read the script and did a rewrite. He could have easily put in some dialogue that was more in tune with the comics, like the fact that Reed couldn't cure Ben. Kinberg said he was fan of the F4 and the xmen, but it was all lies. I just don't see how some of these people continue to get work or put on these projects. I don't know how much power Kinberg has or doesn't, but i know he's not a good screenwriter from the list of projects i've read that he's been involved with. Who knows, he may be a great screenwriter, but comics isn't the genre he should be working on.

I never understood why some of the good comic writers can't be hired or either brought in to work on the script. You have guys like Grant Morrison, Warren Ellias who has done good work in a lot of comics. What's so hard about pulling these guys on board? What's so hard about guys like Dini and Timm, both of whom has done great work on the animated DC cartoons, but yet they were no where to be found for SR?

I know theirs a difference between writing a comic and writing a movie, but these people at the least could have been brought in some creative fashion. Some great writers have worked on the F4 and yet not one person from Marvel had a hand in the script for the F4 film. Why do I even bother. So far Sony and Rami have done the best job with SPiderman and it's why they rake in a ton of money from those films. They may have taken some liberties with the source material, but it worked out none the less.

I'm a Harry Potter fan, and I thank god that JK Rowling had a hand in the creative process or otherwise Potter would have probably been american and god knows what else. Harry Potter is proff positive that sticking to the source material works.

Agree for the most part, though I cant say I'd be too keen on an FF movie adaptation written by Morrison, given how prone he is to changing things when he is just writing one of the books. Ellis I'm not sure about..Only books I can remember by him off-hand are Ruins and Ultimate Extinction.

But yes, there are comic book writers who have handled the characters very well for years who should at least be worth consulting by any prospective screenwriter, especially comparatively inexperienced ones like Kinberg or even Don Payne.

 

[HoratioRome]

This is quite possibly the dumbest thread that's ever been created. First off the source material for 300 is the battle of Thermopylae. Second of all, you can't compare a graphic novel to the longest running comic title in the history of comics.

I get so sick of fanboys talking about how 300, Sin City and V for Vendetta are examples the Fantastic Four need to follow. It's apples and oranges.

THAT is definitely the dumbest post I've eer read.
first of all the source material for this movie was the 300 hundred graphic novel written by Frank Miller. Just because the graphic novel was based on historical events doesn't mean the movie did not draw upon the comic as it's source material.
FYI smart guy, there are millions ways to tell the story of the Spartan war. The movie happened to copy almost word for word and picture for picture what FRANK MILLER wrote. The source material for THIS movie was no doubt the graphic novel. and as such it did a GREAT job of bringing the comic to life.

Second of all, no one is comparing a "graphic novel to the longest running comic title". not unless you are a complete moron.
No one (with an ounce of intelligence) expects the movie to cover all fifty years of the Fantastic Four . Just so you know the expectation for the FF movie is to duplicate the particular stories written within FF history. like the origin, the first appearance of Doom, and/or the coming of Galactus.
Those stories are in fact shorter than most of the "graphic novels" you mentioned. that is why they can sometimes be combined.

I get so sick of people who have no clue who talk (write) without thinking first.

 

[Kelly]

*sighs*

 

[Advanced Dark]

More personal attacks. Yawn.

 

[gerbstat]

I don't see why deviation from the course material is an issue. Perhaps the instructor left something out of the syllabus or wants to change a lesson plan to better serve the students' needs.

I think you are being extremely unfair to educators by limiting them in this way.