Why I think Story/Fox are starting off wrong

[HoratioRome]

A thread was recently deleted that discussed the latest pics of the FF movie. I'm not sure why, but anyway I just wanted to continue the conversation.
The reason I think Story/Fox are basically starting off on the wrong foot is because of what they did to the Thing.

After FF1 came out there were basically 3 points that most everyone agreed with. They weren't the only complaints but they were the biggest and most obvious.

• People did not like the change of origin (including Doom and the whole Doom/Sue love triangle nonsense.)
• People Hated Doom, (the change in costume, powers, character, and attitude)
• and last but not least the Thing's Brow.

for some crazy reason people wanted the Thing's brow to be more pronounced, like it is in the comics.

It would seem to me that if you wanted to start off right, one would start with those 3 points first. But instead of fixing the Thing's brow to make it look right, they make a change so slight that it is barely noticeable.

Now I hear they are going to have a love triangle involving the SS.
WHAT?
didn't we learn anything from the Doom love triangle?

My thinking is if they could do that to such small changes how can I have any faith in ANYTHING else they do?

oh and btw, Tim is lying when he says The Thing's brow doesn't look as good as we might think. he could easily have made it look like this lifesize bust.

they have officially lost me for the opening weekend. and the more the deviate the later I will see the movie.

 

[HoratioRome]

another angle

 

[liesse00]

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[highguard]

another angle

You know I know they could have done the brow, but they said that it did not look as good as you might think.

They felt it affected the focus on Chiklis' eyes, they were there and made that decision even though Spectral said they offered to do it.

I will accept what Story said even though I would like to see an even bigger brow but they definitely made it bigger and we should wait for full shots

 

[Fantastic-Boy]

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

Zzzzzzzzzzzz Part 2!

 

[HoratioRome]

I understand your having your own opinion of the movie, but I think to say "pretty much everyone" felt the same way, is kind of arrogant. Maybe I read it wrong, but unless you can quantify that statement, then really giving your opinion as your own should have sufficed. Unless you spoke with the people that paid the 330 million to see the movie and can say "most felt the same way". Your opinion is your own, and should be stated as such.

that comment comes from reading threads and posts from this forum as well as many others. have you read other posts? do you disagree that that most people agreed on the Thing's brow not ebing big enough?

 

[Tony Stark]

I think "pretty much everyone", wonder why the hell this thread is still open.

 

[Malus]

No one was beating the drum for a bigger brow harder than me -Does that make me a brow beater? - but I'm going to wait til I've seen some official pics before pronouncing the new make-up a failure. I certainly wasn't happy with the Thing's look in FF1, but he looked terrific in the finished film compared to the impression we got from those godawful candid pics that popped up on the net early in production. These new candids don't look nearly that bad!
And I'm sure not going to call Tim Story a liar because he has an opinion as the director and made a judgment call based on first-hand experience.
There's a big difference between a Thing bust and Michael Chiklis' face and head. Maybe -just maybe- they've made the right choices with the Thing.
If Tim made a wrong choice, he would just be wrong; he would not be a "liar" and it's rude to label him such.

Also, there's been no suggestion of an actual "love triangle" (to my knowledge) outside of some comments Jessica Alba made earlier this year. And if (as I suspect) they're just playing out the same dynamic between Sue/Surfer/Reed as the original comic did with Alicia/Surfer/Ben, then I have no problem with some abiguity there.

 

[LostSon88]

they have officially lost me for the opening weekend. and the more the deviate the later I will see the movie.

It's kinda early to be throwin' in the towel don't ya think? They've only been shooting for a month and the best we've gotten in terms of footage is 3 spy pics of Reed, Sue and Ben.

Jeez...so quick to judge, some fanboys are.

 

[zer00]

on a side note. It's kind of hard to change things that are more complained about after the movie comes out...after the movie has been filmed and edited. I know it's hard for people to understand how movies get projected onto screens. So just trust me or I'll sick Robert Downey sr. on you.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

And the whine and complain fest continues.

 

[Mike]

Please shut the hell up and close this thread! I dont think Tim Story is going to hault productions becuase Horatio doesnt like where the film is heading.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Horatio how dare you be negative!!!!! I mean the first movie was the best CB movie ever and this one is shaping up to be SUPER as well, i just love the way Fox takes their time with their projects and i think they never interfere in their CB movies so how dare you be negative!!!!! Dont you have any manners???????

 

[TripleF]

that comment comes from reading threads and posts from this forum as well as many others. have you read other posts? do you disagree that that most people agreed on the Thing's brow not ebing big enough?

Yes, in fact I've read all of both Thing threads, the thing is, I don't necessarily believe this forum or even the internet for that matter speaks for the masses. I haven't spoken to the masses lately, nor do I speak for the masses, I leave that to the pope. And you may be correct most on here do believe the brow was not big enough. I don't believe those same people, save a few, believe the sequel will be major suckage because it isn't exactly what they want in the size of the brow either. As I've said before, the problems, in my opinion, are in other areas. Do I disagree that "most" people agreed the brow wasn't big enough? No I can't agree or disagree with that, I haven't spoke with most of the people that have seen the movie. The fans I saw it with did not bring that up. They brought up a few other problems such as editing, pace, time, etc.

 

[TripleF]

Horatio how dare you be negative!!!!! I mean the first movie was the best CB movie ever and this one is shaping up to be SUPER as well, i just love the way Fox takes their time with their projects and i think they never interfere in their CB movies so how dare you be negative!!!!! Dont you have any manners???????

*perplexed look* watch out you may choke on all of that sarcasm. They say massive amounts of sarcasm can lead to indigestion. I read that somewhere.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Please shut the hell up and close this thread! I dont think Tim Story is going to hault productions becuase Horatio doesnt like where the film is heading.

Let's be nice please.

I will allow the thread for now--there is absolutely nothing wrong with him voicing a difference of opinion on this matter. He, like you, has that right to express himself. Conflict happens on this board because some of you need to learn to respect the views of others even if you don't hold them yourselves.

Don't like his opinions? Then don't click on the thread! Simple.

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

yeh ^^ like I always say... I dont click on southpark X-men anymore

 

[Ulic Queldroma]

Thing's brow was not the problem with the movie. I love how people can find one little thing and make a federal case about it. Yes, it would have been nice to see a little more brow than Chiklis had, but in truth not having it did not affect how good or bad the movie was. That falls on script and direction not the size of aprosthetic brow. Please.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

*perplexed look* watch out you may choke on all of that sarcasm. They say massive amounts of sarcasm can lead to indigestion. I read that somewhere.

Well i just hate the fact that no one can be a bit negative on this thread without EVERYONE who isnt jumping on them, same thing happened with the first movie and its not right, if he wants to be negative let him, its his opinion.

 

[matthooper]

What does it matter if new changes are made for FF2? The first movie was terrible. So keeping the same director, actors, and theme for the sequel is the problem, not changes that are made or not made. They could make all new changes like a bigger brow, that make the film more like the comics, but it wouldn't make a difference.

Fundementally, the director, writer and actors do not understand the world of The Fantastic Four. It all comes down to that.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I liked Doom's origin and a lot of everything else better than what I have seen or know about in the comics. To say Story is starting off wrong is silly considering Fox is the one who is giving him this ridiculous schedule.

 

[TripleF]

Well i just hate the fact that no one can be a bit negative on this thread without EVERYONE who isnt jumping on them, same thing happened with the first movie and its not right, if he wants to be negative let him, its his opinion.

I've seen that go both ways. AND I don't really see anything along the lines of "jumping on them" from people that have some semblance of intelligence. I see some that are very excited about the sequel, and simply want people to give it a chance before slamming it. Nothing wrong with that.

I don't know of anyone that has had only "good things" to say about the first movie. I think when people give their opinions, negative, positive whatever about the first, most have been fine with that. But to slam a movie before it has even come out is alittle silly, in my opinion.

Yes some still want a bigger brow on Thing, ok. Some are happy with the changes made, but wanted a few more. Some were happy with his look before, some are still totally disgusted. I think 2 people fall into the last category.

But in my experience reading here and on other boards, a balanced opinion. (not riding the fence) but a balanced opinion goes a long way. Words like "true fans", "real fans" etc, kind of turn me off, and even though some may not use those exact terms, in their posting that is the point that comes across to me.

I enjoyed the first movie ALOT, there were some things I would like to see done better. My hope is that they will improve, and from what I've seen and heard so far, they are. I'm excited and positive about that. But I won't say the movie is going to "rock" until I've seen the movie. So to say the movie is going to suck, hits me in a negative way as well. I certainly hope my posts have not come across to anyone as "slamming" or "jumping on" someone. But please be ready for me to give my opinion, however positive or negative it may be in retort to someone else's. I think thats what you do on here, right?

I've actually read some very good conversations on this forum, I can't say that in my past reading around here that thats the case, and from what I've heard it has gotten very bad at times. I think AVEITWITHJAMON you are jumping the gun alittle in this particular conversation.

As far as Mike's and Matthooper's comments both pretty much hit me the same way and give me the same desire, which is to ignore.

 

[TripleF]

What does it matter if new changes are made for FF2? The first movie was terrible. So keeping the same director, actors, and theme for the sequel is the problem, not changes that are made or not made. They could make all new changes like a bigger brow, that make the film more like the comics, but it wouldn't make a difference.

Fundementally, the director, writer and actors do not understand the world of The Fantastic Four. It all comes down to that.

I disagree, and I think it is their understanding and love of the characters that will give us a better sequel.

I believe it was a lack of vision from the writers and editing group that gave us only a taste of what could have been.

 

[Tony Stark]

Let's be nice please.

I will allow the thread for now--there is absolutely nothing wrong with him voicing a difference of opinion on this matter. He, like you, has that right to express himself. Conflict happens on this board because some of you need to learn to respect the views of others even if you don't hold them yourselves.

Don't like his opinions? Then don't click on the thread! Simple.

Ligtning, I agree that there is nothing wrong with voicing a different opinion. The problem with this thread is there's already half a dozen threads out there with people saying the same thing.

While I do respect the opinion of others, even those I disagree with, I feel this guy just opened up this thread to draw attention to himself. This thread really doesn't talk about anything in the new movie, it just rehashes old complaints from the first movie.

That's why so many of us feel this thread should be closed.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

And the whine and complain fest continues.

You're absolutely correct....people posting "ZZZZZZZZ" and rolling their eyes while some are actually discussing the movie and their concerns about it's production.

Lol, never ceases to make me chuckle, on the internet...all of the people who fail to see the irony in the way they constantly b**** and moan......about *gasp*......People Who B**** And Moan.
lol

Again, since people who have negative opinions are so despised here and constantly asked to be silent, I don't understand why you don't just Post a giant "WE'RE ALL EXCITED FOR THIS MOVIE AND THERE'S NOTHING THEY COULD'VE DONE ANY DIFFERENTLY OR BETTER.W00T!"

and then just lock the forum with a giant smiley face so we won't be attacked and accosted and molested by nasty people who say unhappy things.


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