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Diana killing Lord VS Supes killing Zod

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Superman was able to take his swet time to think things through before deciding to kill three powerless kryptonians.

Diana had a bloodlusted Superman breathing down her neck and bent on snapping when she decided to take a split second of pause to kill the one human controlling him.

Someone please explain to me why was Clark more deserving of getting away with murder?
 
I really don't think either of them were in the wrong. They were both faced with scenarios where they had no choice.
 
I never really understood why killing any of the villains mentioned was necessary. Max Lord could've been contained with psi-dampeners and solitary confinement, the Kryptonian criminals could've been contained with red sunlight the same way Superboy Prime is now.

Speaking of whom, you'd think if the heroes could decide that anyone was worth killing, it'd be Superboy Prime. The fact that they left him alive is one of the main gripes I've had with Infinite Crisis.
 
Well, with Lord, I guess Diana knew that Max, while alive, could still control Superman and any other high level meta and kill alot of people befor ethey could get the dampeners on him. And he could even use Superman or other metas to break him free. Max kind of forced Diana into that situation. As for Superman and Zod, I was pretty sure that that story took place prety early in Superman's career, so he wasn't used to making those kinds of descisions yet, and didn;t see any other options even though some were present.
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
I never really understood why killing any of the villains mentioned was necessary. Max Lord could've been contained with psi-dampeners and solitary confinement, the Kryptonian criminals could've been contained with red sunlight the same way Superboy Prime is now.

Speaking of whom, you'd think if the heroes could decide that anyone was worth killing, it'd be Superboy Prime. The fact that they left him alive is one of the main gripes I've had with Infinite Crisis.

i agree with you corp i dislike that they left SBP alive after all his *****
 
The Question said:
Well, with Lord, I guess Diana knew that Max, while alive, could still control Superman and any other high level meta and kill alot of people befor ethey could get the dampeners on him. And he could even use Superman or other metas to break him free. Max kind of forced Diana into that situation. As for Superman and Zod, I was pretty sure that that story took place prety early in Superman's career, so he wasn't used to making those kinds of descisions yet, and didn;t see any other options even though some were present.
Max forced Diana to do no such thing. Diana can break steel with her bare hands. Knocking Max out until the psi-dampers could've been put on him would've been as easy for her as snapping your fingers are to you. She already had him at her mercy.

I'm not saying the killings didn't make sense in the contexts--Diana's a warrior first and her instincts are to kill if necessary, and Superman may well have been too inexperienced to think of an alternative to killing in that situation. I'm just saying that neither of them are really excusable if you look at how many other options were open to them. The first poster's question was why Superman was allowed to get away with it while Diana wasn't--my point is that neither should've gotten away with it.
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
Max forced Diana to do no such thing. Diana can break steel with her bare hands. Knocking Max out until the psi-dampers could've been put on him would've been as easy for her as snapping your fingers are to you. She already had him at her mercy.

I actually can't snap my fingers.:(

TheCorpulent1 said:
I'm not saying the killings didn't make sense in the contexts--Diana's a warrior first and her instincts are to kill if necessary, and Superman may well have been too inexperienced to think of an alternative to killing in that situation. I'm just saying that neither of them are really excusable if you look at how many other options were open to them. The first poster's question was why Superman was allowed to get away with it while Diana wasn't--my point is that neither should've gotten away with it.

I was pretty sure that Max, while under the influence of the lasso of truth, said that even if he was knocked out, Superman would still be under his control.
 
I don't remember for sure but if that's the case, then I suppose it would've raised the stakes a bit. I'm sure there was still another way out than killing Max, though. Maybe it was just beyond Diana to think of it.
 
The problem is that even if he didn't have to be conscious to control Superman, eventually he's going to control Superman again somehow. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. You can shove as many psi-dampeners in his brain as you want and throw him into the most negative of negative zones, it doesn't matter; so long as he's not dead, he's going to get out of it somehow. Period. Either he himself will find a way, or some other villain will learn about this and then bust him out. Think about it, a free ticket into making Superman do whatever it is you want him to do? Max would be like the Holy Grail for supervillains.

That's just the way it works and how it has always worked in these comic book universes, and it's partially why part of the League was against throwing Dr. Light into prison, too...because he's just going to get out again, or else some other villain will learn about how he did what he did and either help him do it again or try to do it him/herself.

Not a matter of if. A matter of when. Hell, remember the General from Morrison's JLA run? Superman and co. stuck him on single asteroid in the middle of frikkin' nowhere out in the vastness of space, and he found a way back. Kyle Rayner did the same thing to Major Force's head, sending it out into space, and now Major Force is back again as good as new.

Diana knew this and understood this with her wisdom, and that's why she elected to kill Max right then and there instead of risking that he would ever control Superman again, because the fact is that he will. And the next time he controls Superman, someone is gonna get their asses killed. A lot of someones, probably.
 
BrianWilly said:
The problem is that even if he didn't have to be conscious to control Superman, eventually he's going to control Superman again somehow. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. You can shove as many psi-dampeners in his brain as you want and throw him into the most negative of negative zones, it doesn't matter; so long as he's not dead, he's going to get out of it somehow. Period. Either he himself will find a way, or some other villain will learn about this and then bust him out. Think about it, a free ticket into making Superman do whatever it is you want him to do? Max would be like the Holy Grail for supervillains.

That's just the way it works and how it has always worked in these comic book universes, and it's partially why part of the League was against throwing Dr. Light into prison, too...because he's just going to get out again, or else some other villain will learn about how he did what he did and either help him do it again or try to do it him/herself.

Not a matter of if. A matter of when. Hell, remember the General from Morrison's JLA run? Superman and co. stuck him on single asteroid in the middle of frikkin' nowhere out in the vastness of space, and he found a way back. Kyle Rayner did the same thing to Major Force's head, sending it out into space, and now Major Force is back again as good as new.

Diana knew this and understood this with her wisdom, and that's why she elected to kill Max right then and there instead of risking that he would ever control Superman again, because the fact is that he will. And the next time he controls Superman, someone is gonna get their asses killed. A lot of someones, probably.
Well, yeah, but that's always a possibility. The heroes don't go around engaging in the wholesale slaughter of supervillains to prevent it, though. Again, that also takes me back to my Superboy Prime point. It's not a matter of if he'll get out, either. He damn near destroyed the entire universe the first time around. Why wasn't it deemed a necessary evil to kill him? It's selective morality at best.

Plus, Manchester Black did the exact same thing to Superman that Max did about 5 years ago and Superman himself figured out a way to beat him without killing him.
 
I'm assuming that Max is simply better at mind control than Manchester.
 
Odd, given that Manchester was easily more powerful than the Martian Manhunter. Anyway, the point still stands. What about Despero, White Martians, Psimon, Hector Hammond, and all the other psychic villains? Do the heroes get to decide that maybe they could turn some heroes against the others and kill them, too? Like I said, selective morality.
 
Lord's death was justified. I liked how the writers were able to play with the various belief systems of the Trinity with that one. Cool.
Never read the Zod killing, though. Didn't he show up in For Tomorrow? :confused:
 
I think that's an alternate reality Zod or something. That was a complex arc and I don't remember a lot of it now.
 
I thought the Zod Superman killed was from another reality, and the one in For Tomorrow was our Zod.
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
Odd, given that Manchester was easily more powerful than the Martian Manhunter. Anyway, the point still stands. What about Despero, White Martians, Psimon, Hector Hammond, and all the other psychic villains? Do the heroes get to decide that maybe they could turn some heroes against the others and kill them, too? Like I said, selective morality.

Can the White Martioans mind control people? Anyway, I thought that Lord had spent months conditioning Clark from afar, and his control over him was so strong that there was basically no way short of killing him that it could be broken.
 
The Kryptonian trio Supes killed were from a pocket universe and they had destroyed that whole Earth. They basically made the same threat that Max did "If you keep us laive, we'll kill again". Why didn't do it to Superemo? I don't know, probably because by the end of IC we were supposed to start seeing the end of the "dark age" of DC. It makes sense that he would be killed, but it doesn't serve the story in the way that the other deaths served the stories in the past.
 
It's always about you, isn't it? I bet that's why you're corpulent, to always make it about you. Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!:mad:
 
I don't know what you're talking about?:confused:
 

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