Chip Chipperson
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Great to see a new actor suggestion that's not been mentioned here beforeZackary Arthur who plays the lead role in that chucky tv show would be cool. He’s also 15-16 so he’s in age range. I’m a fan
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Not sure what you mean by "real life" but if Reeves is working toward a trilogy then I wouldn't want to see a proper Robin until the third film. The Batman is his second year, so a sequel could be around his fifth year maybe, then the third film would be s couple years after that.
No matter how you try to spin it though, the idea of Bruce taking in a minor and recruiting him for his insane one-man war on crime just edges on a bit uncomfortable for some people, especially when put into live action. I think Batman Forever honestly did it pretty well, I was fine with aging Grayson up a bit. And I didn't need to see another third Batman film that repeated that arc.
Blake worked because he wasn't literally supposed to be Robin, or any sort of adaptation of any of the individual Robins. The name is just there as a nod, a tribute to the idea Robin represents at his core- the protege, the successor, the young idealist who might someday become an even better hero than Batman. I understand it's not for everyone though and if you're a hardcore Robin fan you might take issue with it. I get it.
Personally though, I think we have to admit that the tone IS inherently different when Robin is involved. It's inherently more playful and colorful, whether you want to call that "camp" or not.
No matter how you try to spin it though, the idea of Bruce taking in a minor and recruiting him for his insane one-man war on crime just edges on a bit uncomfortable for some people, especially when put into live action. I think Batman Forever honestly did it pretty well, I was fine with aging Grayson up a bit. And I didn't need to see another third Batman film that repeated that arc.
Blake worked because he wasn't literally supposed to be Robin, or any sort of adaptation of any of the individual Robins. The name is just there as a nod, a tribute to the idea Robin represents at his core- the protege, the successor, the young idealist who might someday become an even better hero than Batman. I understand it's not for everyone though and if you're a hardcore Robin fan you might take issue with it. I get it.
Personally though, I think we have to admit that the tone IS inherently different when Robin is involved. It's inherently more playful and colorful, whether you want to call that "camp" or not. That's why even BTAS had plenty of episodes without Robin even when he was introduced. Sometimes you just want a good solo Batman story.
We never really saw this Bruce arc (in Forever just a little bit and in Rises not at all), but since The Batman seems to be a movie about an angry never grown child who has idealized his dead parents and needs to grow up and find his own path, I think that Robin could a keystone to his arc in the second and third movie making him a man and a father.
First af all, I didn't like Blake's character, regardless of the fact he was a Robin-figure or not.
But beyond this, the point is that Robin is not a "successor": he is not Terry McGinnes.
As you said he is the protege and an another hero who could become even better than Batman.
He is a boy who grows up under Batman's wing (literally... LOL) and that, one day, will decide to emancipate himself from him. But the point is that he represents the legacy of Bruce, someone educated from him but that grows up as something different from him, exactly what "being a son" means.
So the tribute to Robin wasn't just silly, was quite without a sense. It shows how Nolan understands only partially Batman's character.
It's nice to have a vision like this. However, the Grayson actor have to be really young at our point in time.I suppose my hope would be similar. Intro Dick in 3 with whatever villain they want to tie to Robin's origin. And then do a Batman and Robin arc (say 2 or 3 movies) that ends with him going solo and eventually a Nightwing movie *cough* trilogy *cough*.
Thinking the same thing. At least Grayson fans will get their fix.
This scooper has a proven track record so if this is true I think it's pretty much guaranteed Reeves has zero plans whatsoever for Dick Grayson and Barbara in this universe.
This scooper has a proven track record so if this is true I think it's pretty much guaranteed Reeves has zero plans whatsoever for Dick Grayson and Barbara in this universe.
That’s a bummer if yet another Batman director has no plans for Dick/Robin.
but I love Dylan O’Brien as a choice and a Nightwing movie in any capacity is a dream come true for me, so I can’t be bummed out.
This scooper has a proven track record so if this is true I think it's pretty much guaranteed Reeves has zero plans whatsoever for Dick Grayson and Barbara in this universe.
View attachment 52387 Some kind of variation on this would be such a cool ending for the second or third movie.
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On the other hand, I think there's an argument for letting him do a trilogy to explore Batman as thoroughly as he'd like. Maybe end the third film with Bruce adopting Grayson and leaving the door open for a future trilogy to explore the Robin arc with a more firmly established Batman. Personally I always thought a Batman movie told more from Robin's perspective would be interesting.
I second this. I don't have much interest in seeing that on screen. Even though, I'm a dark/twisted way it does kinda make me giggle thinking of Keaton doing something like that in his 50's with a young Robin. Just because Keaton is so on edge and doesn't really give a **** about many people lol. I can totally see him acting like that. But it's not something I can see with Bale or Pattinson. Not even Affleck.That's a bit twisted and creepy and not in a good way IMHO. The idea of Bruce Wayne making a child swear an oath or something....oof. It's just not something that resonates with me on any level.
Give me the good ol' Batman Forever handshake any day of the week...
This is obviously an amalgamation between Hush and the Riddler, really curious and excited to see where they’re going with the is and why.I think too Batman Forever used Robin pretty well and, of course, Robin as a minor doesn't work very well in live action.
But who said Dick has to become immediately Robin?
If you introduce in the second movie as a 15 years old orphan who Bruce adopts and then you jump to his 18 or 20 in the third movie and show him as Robin after years of training by Bruce, I think it would perfectly work.
We never really saw this Bruce arc (in Forever just a little bit and in Rises not at all), but since The Batman seems to be a movie about an angry never grown child who has idealized his dead parents and needs to grow up and find his own path, I think that Robin could a keystone to his arc in the second and third movie making him a man and a father.
First af all, I didn't like Blake's character, regardless of the fact he was a Robin-figure or not.
But beyond this, the point is that Robin is not a "successor": he is not Terry McGinnes.
As you said he is the protege and an another hero who could become even better than Batman.
He is a boy who grows up under Batman's wing (literally... LOL) and that, one day, will decide to emancipate himself from him. But the point is that he represents the legacy of Bruce, someone educated from him but that grows up as something different from him, exactly what "being a son" means.
So the tribute to Robin wasn't just silly, was quite without a sense. It shows how Nolan understands only partially Batman's character.
Well, considering that Reeves was able to went from this
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without - since all we know so far from trailers, interview and leaked spoiler - betray the core of the character, I think is a good proof of what a good connoisseur of Batman's mythology like Reeves can do even with the (appareantly) most ridicolous things of that history...
I think that he could introduce Robin making him amazing... And I think he will.
Let's see!
The Bat Family is a huge part of the mythos, though. Are we going to say this for every talented actor to get cast as Bruce, that they should be the sole focus and not have to share the story with other protagonists? We've seen a solo Batman in 7 out of 9 movies. It's time to fully realize his scope, IMO.I still think Matt Reeves at some point considered it but realized it would take away focus from Pattinson Batman.
It's better to not crowd this series with to many supporting characters for Battinsons sake.
It wouldn't he fair to Robert Pattinson either.
He was born for this role and deserves the same opportunity Bale got.