The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Did anyone like ASM2 better than Cap2 & DOFP?

[eon001]

It starts on page 2.

Other comic book movies have nothing to do with the quality of ASM2. A great movie doesn't need comparisons to the quality of other movies.

There all comic book movies, and this is a comic book forum. Comparisons are inevitable. Avengers was compared with The Dark Knight. I don't see the problem with the tradition continuing

 

[SpideyK]

If the movie was truly popular we should see more evenly distributed positive ratings among both Spider-Man fans and non-fans, like we do with TWS and DoFP. Instead the positive reviews seems to be skewed very heavily as coming from Spider-Man fans, which is similar to what we saw for films like Man of Steel and Green Lantern. Superherohype is just one forum, but other sites show similar results. This suggests that among most audiences, TASM2 isn't that well-liked. Certainly not as much as TWS and DoFP.

Did you even read my post? I was referring to the GA. Not comicbook fans.

 

[SpideyK]

Indeed. Some didn't like the movie, and that’s fine. But it’s wrong to think the people who liked it are knowingly accepting mediocrity. If someone likes TASM2 over the rest, so what? We don’t need to laugh down, disbelieve or deconstruct someone.

It’s all about perspective. I really enjoyed TASM2 and its second place in the series for me. I think most of the criticisms are storms in tea-cups, and find the B&R comparison ridiculously blown out of proportion. There’s a lot I like here.

If I loathed the film I'd say so, ala the boring mess that is Godzilla. I don't need universal love-ins or widespread consensus to enjoy something. I’m not sitting down watching a movie thinking, gee, the Tomato Meter may have dropped another five percentage points, I better start disliking this movie. I focus primarily on my own enjoyment. Other people – friends, critics, laundry sheriffs, etc can form their own views.

Good post dude.

And yes, some posters here are being pretty ****ing condescending, tbh.

 

[LizardMan07]

I think the view that the only people that enjoyed the film are spider-man fans in quite disingenuous.

Does the opposite apply? Are the only people that hated it people who hate spider-man?

If you say no to the, we start entering the are where we say that spider-man fans can't suspend their bias, whereas non spider-man fans can, which is again, slightly off putting.

Is it possible that people can enjoy the films for other reasons than just being blind fanboys? Or are we going to start painting people with that brush? If we do, we're pretty much going to kill the little bit of intelligent discourse we have left around here. I'd hope people can be look a little deeper than that.

 

[SpideyK]

Exactly.

Almost feels like this has gotten to the point that we're not allowed to like Spider-Man in a Spider-Man forum.

God damn ridiculous.

 

[eon001]

I think the view that the only people that enjoyed the film are spider-man fans in quite disingenuous.

Very true. It's a bit of a lazy observation. How many Spiderman fanboys enjoyed Spiderman 3? There was no band wagon or rally cry from Spiderman fans then.

 

[Human Torch]

Eh,I've heard all this before since I admit to enjoying Spider-Man 3 (like it's some kinda crime.) Bottom line: I calls em as I sees em.I hated TASM. HATED IT.... and was prepared to hate TASM2 equally.But,I went in with an open mind, (as I always do) didn't let critics and fanboys influence me, (as I always do) and didn't give a fig for it's RT score (as I always do). The result: I enjoyed it very much.They gave me the Spidey I was hoping they would.The film has it's flaws,but it's very enjoyable and there's no shame in admitting you enjoyed it/more than other films this year.

So let people keep banging the drum about how awful it is.I'll be waiting for the DVD.

 

[LizardMan07]

Eh,I've heard all this before since I admit to enjoying Spider-Man 3 (like it's some kinda crime.) Bottom line: I calls em as I sees em.I hated TASM. HATED IT.... and was prepared to hate TASM2 equally.But,I went in with an open mind, (as I always do) didn't let critics and fanboys influence me, (as I always do) and didn't give a fig for it's RT score (as I always do). The result: I enjoyed it very much.They gave me the Spidey I was hoping they would.The film has it's flaws,but it's very enjoyable and there's no shame in admitting you enjoyed it/more than other films this year.

So let people keep banging the drum about how awful it is.I'll be waiting for the DVD.

I have an unhealthy amount of love for this post

 

[TH29]

I liked all three, I liked watching ASM2 more than the Cap and DOFP. But I think Cap was the best of the three. But I enjoy seeing Spider-Man in action more than any other character. So it was more of a thrill with more goosebumps.

 

[Oscorp]

It's as if people can't stand others' enjoyment of something. I really, really dislike this film but I see no point in putting down others' opinions because of that.

This topic is clearly about whether people LIKE this film more or not. There's no need to go "Nuh uh, look at the reviews!" to try to prove something because this topic isn't about whether or not TASM2 is a better film objectively.

Seriously, stop shoving your opinions down others' throats. I agree with those who don't like this film but it's seriously getting annoying to see all these people on their high horses.

 

[AnneFan]

It's as if people can't stand others' enjoyment of something. I really, really dislike this film but I see no point in putting down others' opinions because of that.

This topic is clearly about whether people LIKE this film more or not. There's no need to go "Nuh uh, look at the reviews!" to try to prove something because this topic isn't about whether or not TASM2 is a better film objectively.

Seriously, stop shoving your opinions down others' throats. I agree with those who don't like this film but it's seriously getting annoying to see all these people on their high horses.

Bravo, well said.

 

[LizardMan07]

You're quickly becoming one of my favourite posters in one night Oscorp, please stick around and don't runaway!

 

[Oscorp]

You're quickly becoming one of my favourite posters in one night Oscorp, please stick around and don't runaway!

Haha thank you! These boards suck a bit every now and then but I find myself coming back anyway.

 

[Spider-Ranger]

Bottom line of this thread:

If you hate TASM2 then you're just stating your opinion.
If you love TASM2 then you're a fanboy.

 

[SpideyK]

It's as if people can't stand others' enjoyment of something. I really, really dislike this film but I see no point in putting down others' opinions because of that.

This topic is clearly about whether people LIKE this film more or not. There's no need to go "Nuh uh, look at the reviews!" to try to prove something because this topic isn't about whether or not TASM2 is a better film objectively.

Seriously, stop shoving your opinions down others' throats. I agree with those who don't like this film but it's seriously getting annoying to see all these people on their high horses.

You're probably the poster who disliked this film the most on the whole Spidey boards.

So excellent post. Thank you. I might put it in my sig or something.

 

[The Joker]

You seem like a big Doc Ock fan! Nice little collection you've got there

I definitely am. He's my favorite Spidey villain.

I remember when The Joker used to be Doc Ock. Ah, the Spider-Man 3 days ;0

Did you have another user name before? The reason I ask is because your join date is April 2008, which is after the SM-3 days.

The movie pretty much came out last month. I don't see the user score dropping further as the movies run is pretty much done.

Just because the theater run is nearly done doesn't mean people will stop rating the movie. Especially when it comes out on DVD.

So the opinion of non comic book friends and family have no bearing because it's a tiny minority. Should we disregard the opinions of SHH because the sample pool of opinion is too small as well?

People here are not citing their own personal opinion as the majority like people who feel the need to bring in their hearsay tales of what their friends thought in an attempt to paint a picture that it's some kind of consensus. At best the reaction to this movie has been mixed. Even many of the so called positive critical reviews are predominantly negative in their analysis of the movie.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The problem with this thread and the reason it has met with such criticism is because it is a transparent attempt to put down TWS and DoFP in order to prop up TASM2. Nobody is saying that you can't enjoy TASM2, but the quality of other films has no bearing on that. There is already a best superhero movie of 2014 thread in the Misc Comic Book Films folder to compare those films.

For some reason, certain fans of this film (and it was true of the first film as well) feel the need to ridicule and demean anybody who might have a dissenting opinion. People are allowed to dislike this or any other film. Many fans on this board would do well to remember that.

EDIT: I just want to clarify that not all fans of this film are like this. Most are perfectly fine with accepting other people's opinions. But there are some (won't name names) that just simply cannot accept criticism whatsoever. Liking this film isn't a problem. Not recognizing that everyone has a right to their own opinions is a problem.

 

[Hurm...]

Yeah, my other user name was GreenGoblin1964 and I joined in '06.

 

[The Joker]

Yeah, my other user name was GreenGoblin1964 and I joined in '06.

Oh yes I remember you. You used to post in the Green Goblin appreciation thread in Spidey world.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I think the view that the only people that enjoyed the film are spider-man fans in quite disingenuous.

Does the opposite apply? Are the only people that hated it people who hate spider-man?

If you say no to the, we start entering the are where we say that spider-man fans can't suspend their bias, whereas non spider-man fans can, which is again, slightly off putting.

Is it possible that people can enjoy the films for other reasons than just being blind fanboys? Or are we going to start painting people with that brush? If we do, we're pretty much going to kill the little bit of intelligent discourse we have left around here. I'd hope people can be look a little deeper than that.

You are missing the point. Obviously non-Spider-Man fans enjoy this film and there are Spider-Man fans that dislike it. But taken as a whole, the positive reviews seem to skew far more heavily towards coming from Spider-Man fans. This just an observation, obviously not a formal poll, but among the many sites I go to and people I talk to in real life it fits more than any other comic book film that has come out in a long time. The reaction I'm seeing is more similar to something like the Twilight films, where it is mostly appealing to a specific fanbase. Most blockbusters appeal to a wider audience.

Part of the problem is that some people here are discussing individuals, while I'm talking about the larger population. There are always outliers. I'm sure there are some Obama supporters in the NRA, but the vast majority probably aren't.

Did you even read my post? I was referring to the GA. Not comicbook fans.

Yes. That's the point. The GA is not responding to this film all that well.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Question.

How the hell do you get any enjoyment, [even knowing it's a bad movie] out of Man W/ GG? That, Moonraker, DAF, and DAD offend me as a 007 fan.

1. Christopher Lee is brilliant. Easily in my top three Bond villains, and he steals every scene he is in.
2. Roger Moore is Roger Moore. He's basically the same in all of his movies (although he does have a bit harder edge in this one than normal). If you like him, his charm, and his brand of humor, and I do, it goes a long way.
3. The whole concept is just fun. The world's greatest assassin appears to be gunning for Bond, only it turns out he is the world's greatest James Bond fanboy who is obssessed with dueling him to the death in an elaborate Fun House that he constructed. Silly, but unique, and it kept me interested.

The only one I actively dislike is DAF (and the 67 Casino Royale if you count it). Not because it offended me, although I see why it would, but because it was boring. Everybody was just sleepwalking through that one and it shows.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Eh,I've heard all this before since I admit to enjoying Spider-Man 3 (like it's some kinda crime.) Bottom line: I calls em as I sees em.I hated TASM. HATED IT.... and was prepared to hate TASM2 equally.But,I went in with an open mind, (as I always do) didn't let critics and fanboys influence me, (as I always do) and didn't give a fig for it's RT score (as I always do). The result: I enjoyed it very much.They gave me the Spidey I was hoping they would.The film has it's flaws,but it's very enjoyable and there's no shame in admitting you enjoyed it/more than other films this year.

So let people keep banging the drum about how awful it is.I'll be waiting for the DVD.

I agree with everything here. Well, except the part about hating ASM. I had the self-inlflicted unfortunate experience of coming onto these boards for two weeks between the time the movie released overseas before I got to see the film. I didn't even see it for three days after it released in the US. So...I got to read all sorts of opinions and it was very disheartening to read so many hated or mixed reviews especially from some posters here that I greatly value in their opinions and company. Despite all that I went in with an open mind and ended up loving the movie. Flawed? Yes, but very enjoyable and I actually enjoyed it more than the other two films listed on this thread.

It's as if people can't stand others' enjoyment of something. I really, really dislike this film but I see no point in putting down others' opinions because of that.

This topic is clearly about whether people LIKE this film more or not. There's no need to go "Nuh uh, look at the reviews!" to try to prove something because this topic isn't about whether or not TASM2 is a better film objectively.

Seriously, stop shoving your opinions down others' throats. I agree with those who don't like this film but it's seriously getting annoying to see all these people on their high horses.

Great post, Oz. t:

 

[LizardMan07]

You are missing the point. Obviously non-Spider-Man fans enjoy this film and there are Spider-Man fans that dislike it. But taken as a whole, the positive reviews seem to skew far more heavily towards coming from Spider-Man fans. This just an observation, obviously not a formal poll, but among the many sites I go to and people I talk to in real life it fits more than any other comic book film that has come out in a long time. The reaction I'm seeing is more similar to something like the Twilight films, where it is mostly appealing to a specific fanbase. Most blockbusters appeal to a wider audience.

Part of the problem is that some people here are discussing individuals, while I'm talking about the larger population. There are always outliers. I'm sure there are some Obama supporters in the NRA, but the vast majority probably aren't.



Yes. That's the point. The GA is not responding to this film all that well.

I'm sorry, but the majority of the GA aren't spiderman fanboys, would we agree on that? According to Rotten Tomatoes, 128,780 people gave it a review that constitutes that Popcorn in the bag symbol as opposed to the popcorn all over the floor symbol (Do these symbols have names, I cannot tell), now, we surely can't say there's that many spider-man fanboys, surely the majority wouldn't be, don't you think?

That part about you judging a population of people whilst others judge people individually comes across, and I apologise if I've misinterpreted you, as a bit strange as you started by saying it's just your observation. Isn't your observation of a population just a larger version of others observations? Couldn't I say I observed a population that all enjoyed the film? Where's the difference in that? Unless we have stats or polls or even just a list of comments/GA reactions/Anythings, it's all just, as you put it, heresay.

I don't see why your observation of the situation is more valid because you've asked more people. I could go ask the Avenging Spidey Club for crazed fanboys for their opinion, and I'd get a resounding 10/10 from all these hypothetical club members.

Pardon me, but there's just so many confounding factors pertaining to this, I'm really not convinced that we can make the assertation that people who like the film are similar to Twilight fans, honestly, at this point, I just can't see it, and unless you provide proof or show me the proof you've already provided but I've missed, (it's possible) then to reiterate my point, it's just your observations, on a scale that you've percieved to be larger.

Honestly, I could be missing the point again, but I'm relatively comfortable I haven't this time

 

[Airnick]

It's as if people can't stand others' enjoyment of something. I really, really dislike this film but I see no point in putting down others' opinions because of that.

This topic is clearly about whether people LIKE this film more or not. There's no need to go "Nuh uh, look at the reviews!" to try to prove something because this topic isn't about whether or not TASM2 is a better film objectively.

Seriously, stop shoving your opinions down others' throats. I agree with those who don't like this film but it's seriously getting annoying to see all these people on their high horses.

 

[SpideyK]

Yes. That's the point. The GA is not responding to this film all that well.

Oh, that's what you were trying to say? Stop beating around the bush. It might just seem as if you're making stuff up as we go along.

Anyway, the movie has 71% from the audience over at RT and a 7.2 user score at Metacritic - if that's not positive in your book, then I don't know wtf else to say.

They're numbers, brah.