did anyone notice

[phillip phonix]

did anyone notice that the reason everyone turns on jean is for her killing people, but everyone fails to notic that both wolverine and storm have both killed (and in wolverines case much more so than jean ever did) well i just think thay all acted harsh

 

[ToriL90]

did anyone notice that the reason everyone turns on jean is for her killing people, but everyone fails to notic that both wolverine and storm have both killed (and in wolverines case much more so than jean ever did) well i just think thay all acted harsh

lol! t:

Of course, Jean killed innocents including Scott and Xavier and a lot of it wasn't in self-defense or defense of others, so I think it was a little bit different.

 

[phillip phonix]

well all i can say is that i'm still pissed that they killed her off again i mean why create the cure if your not going to use it to save some one from there power?!? well that just me

 

[ToriL90]

well all i can say is that i'm still pissed that they killed her off again i mean why create the cure if your not going to use it to save some one from there power?!? well that just me

Should the Phoenix really be cureable, though? I don't know, it just seems like a real downer to think of Phoenix cause so much death and destruction, only to have it all ended by a little needle.

No, thanks.

 

[BobJM]

And what would have happened if Jean did live? She killed the Professor and her fiance. Its not like anything would go back to normal and her actions can't go unpunished.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

She shouldnt have killed innocent people, simple as, have her do other things, and maybe endanger innocent lives, but having her killing people was just another thing to add to the 100 BILLION thing they ****ed up on with this movie.

 

[ToriL90]

And what would have happened if Jean did live? She killed the Professor and her fiance. Its not like anything would go back to normal and her actions can't go unpunished.

Why not? She was insane at the time of those deaths. People are acquitted all the time for crimes they commit while insane.

 

[X-Maniac]

She shouldnt have killed innocent people, simple as, have her do other things, and maybe endanger innocent lives, but having her killing people was just another thing to add to the 100 BILLION thing they ****ed up on with this movie.

But the Phoenix does destroy innocent people. Billions died in the comicbook version. Her vast power is no good if all it does is frighten a few kids or make a cat scramble up a tree.

Having her kill innocent people is part of the character's descent into darkness from which there is no escape and for which death is the only way out. To say otherwise shows a lack of understanding of the Phoenix story.

 

[X-Maniac]

well all i can say is that i'm still pissed that they killed her off again i mean why create the cure if your not going to use it to save some one from there power?!? well that just me

Yes, it is just you.

1. She wasn't killed off 'again' because she didn't die the first time!

2. The cure wouldn't have worked on her (a Class 5 mutant) if several needles of cure serum didn't work on Magneto (a Class 4).

3. The soldiers tried to fire cure darts at her but she stopped them all, so getting a needle near her would not be an easy task.

4. The Phoenix story doesn't have a happy ending. It's a tale of someone corrupted by a power that no human being can handle. We are not meant to be gods.

 

[BMM]

Why not? She was insane at the time of those deaths. People are acquitted all the time for crimes they commit while insane.

Technically, Jean Grey doesn't even kill Cyclops or Professor Xavier. Phoenix kills them, and Phoenix is a separate personality. Jean, nor anyone else is aware the Phoenix even exists, nor is she responsible for its creation... Xavier is.

 

[Theweepeople]

2. The cure wouldn't have worked on her (a Class 5 mutant) if several needles of cure serum didn't work on Magneto (a Class 4).

It temporarily worked for Magneto so it might have worked for Jean for a short time.

3. The soldiers tried to fire cure darts at her but she stopped them all, so getting a needle near her would not be an easy task.

Just another example of why this movie sucked ass. Jean has no problem stopping soilders from firing cure darts at her yet, despite being a telepath and knowing about logans plan to kill her she let's him get close enough to stab her.

4. The Phoenix story doesn't have a happy ending. It's a tale of someone corrupted by a power that no human being can handle. We are not meant to be gods.

The Phoenix is also a tale of the tragic end to the relationship of two lovers. Not between one person who lusted after the other who he barely knew.

 

[Theweepeople]

Technically, Jean Grey doesn't even kill Cyclops or Professor Xavier. Phoenix kills them, and Phoenix is a separate personality. Jean, nor anyone else is aware the Phoenix even exists, nor is she responsible for its creation... Xavier is.

Another example of why the movie sucked. It is still too far-fetched for me to believe that the caring and nurturing Xavier from X1 and X2 could be so irresponsible, arrogant, and inconsistent with his thinking. If Xavier truely feels this way about imposing his will on dangerous mutants that lack proper control of their power then why in the hell didn't Charles manipulate Jason Stryker into using his powers to benefit mankind. Charles knew Jason was a dangerous mutant and would probably harm someone after he was unable to help him.

 

[X-Maniac]

It temporarily worked for Magneto so it might have worked for Jean for a short time..

It might, yes, had the Phoenix allowed it... the cure would be the ultimate 'caging of the beast', the ultimate 'barrier' for her powers. And then we have the problem of her answering for what she had done as Phoenix....at the least this would mean being in an asylum or a jail, so still not a happy ending. Although... Magneto seemed still to be free, of course, despite what HE had done; one assumes he was still 'wanted' for his crimes.

Just another example of why this movie sucked ass. Jean has no problem stopping soilders from firing cure darts at her yet, despite being a telepath and knowing about logans plan to kill her she let's him get close enough to stab her.

Well, comicbook Jean allowed an alien weapon to shoot her dead on the moon. Wanting to die does come as part of the story.

The Phoenix is also a tale of the tragic end to the relationship of two lovers. Not between one person who lusted after the other who he barely knew.

That's true. And we did get the tragic end to the Cyclops/Jean relationship as the trigger for other events in the movie. Not that it was 'right' (blame Fox!) for Cyclops to die at that point.... I can't defend that decision, even though i did like the scene of Wolverine marching up to Phoenix and killing her. I'd have liked to have seen a scene just before where Storm and Cyclops tried to take out Phoenix, and Phoenix using the combined energy of Storm's lightning and Scott's optic blasts to create a firebird and then blasting them both away. It might also have worked for Phoenix to atomise herself in a giant firebird flash that left no trace of her when it was over.

 

[X-Maniac]

Another example of why the movie sucked. It is still too far-fetched for me to believe that the caring and nurturing Xavier from X1 and X2 could be so irresponsible, arrogant, and inconsistent with his thinking. If Xavier truely feels this way about imposing his will on dangerous mutants that lack proper control of their power then why in the hell didn't Charles manipulate Jason Stryker into using his powers to benefit mankind. Charles knew Jason was a dangerous mutant and would probably harm someone after he was unable to help him.

Perhaps, having realised the side-effect of what he had done to Jean (a second personality), Xavier did not want to use such extreme measures on other pupils. Also the problem unique to her (as explained by Xavier in the lab in X3) was that her power was seated in her unconscious... so she could end up doing something terrible without conscious intentions (such as during a nightmare...and we heard her dreams were making the whole bedroom shake around, at the start of X2)

In the comics, Xavier does use mental blocks - he blocks off Jean's telepathy untol she is much older (originally she js just telekinetic), she blocks her own powers when she becomes Phoenix (causing her power to keep cutting out - there are psychic circuit breakers kicking in subconsciously), and then he (with Jean's help) installs the psionic brriers again in his showdown with Dark Phoenix. In that showdown, she accuses him of being responsible for the events that caused Phoenix.

It sounds like many people wanted Jean to return as Phoenix, do nothing terrible as Dark Phoenix, and then return to blissful normality. This doesn't sound like the story to me! What would have wanted to happen with the character? Did you want her to be cured and alive at the end, and to have done nothing terrible or dangerous?

 

[phillip phonix]

i wanted the phoenix to do terrible/dangerousd things but killing her off left no way for her to pay for her actions, i wanted jean to live on to be put to trial. this could have also been a good way of introducing the sentinels as a way to take out these powerful mutants - but i know this would be difficult to do, its proberly a bad idea - mabey if scott had been at alcatraz he could have saved her from herself but that was not what FOX wanted so ...

 

[phillip phonix]

back to the top of the page ...

 

[Storm22]

She shouldnt have killed innocent people, simple as, have her do other things, and maybe endanger innocent lives, but having her killing people was just another thing to add to the 100 BILLION thing they ****ed up on with this movie.

But that was an effective way of portraying the menacing nature of Dark Phoenix and the true threat she really was imo.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

But the Phoenix does destroy innocent people. Billions died in the comicbook version. Her vast power is no good if all it does is frighten a few kids or make a cat scramble up a tree.

Having her kill innocent people is part of the character's descent into darkness from which there is no escape and for which death is the only way out. To say otherwise shows a lack of understanding of the Phoenix story.

She never killed anyone in the cartoon version, she almost killed Scott and destroyed an uninhabited planet, but she never killed anyone.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

But that was an effective way of portraying the menacing nature of Dark Phoenix and the true threat she really was imo.

There are other ways to do it though.

 

[BMM]

Jean shouldn't have killed Cyclops. It speaks otherwise to her character and the story... but death and destruction is critical to the Dark Phoenix Saga. It highlights Jean's downfall and serves as a turning point for the character.

 

[iamlegend]

She never killed anyone in the cartoon version, she almost killed Scott and destroyed an uninhabited planet, but she never killed anyone.

Yeah, and the cartoon version was ridiculously watered down for the "kiddies."

All in all, Dark Phoenix HAD to die. It was a threat that couldn't be contained or incarcerated. Death was the only option in the movie-verse.