Magento/Charles Friendship

[Joker831]

Mostly everyone know's, but i thought is shined big time through this movie that Magento isnt really a bad guy. He just dont want to be cured or messed with lol.

And i think he felt really bad when Charles died. When Jean blew him back and starting killing Charles, he was yelling for her to stop because if he got involved he would of died too. And when Pyro said he would of killed him, Magneto didnt really like that. When Logan said he just sat there and let him die, he didnt like that either probably because he felt bad.

Through all the movies, you could tell they were still good friends deep down, but in this movie, especially after he died, even when Magento was human again (maybe lol) and saw Jean destroying everything and regreted it....i just thought that friendship + rivarly was acted out very very well.

 

[invincible mann]

he is willing to kill for his cause
not exactly your garden variety hero

 

[LEX]

Magneto calling out for Jean to stop what she's doing.

Jean killing Xavier.

Magneto watching them in horror.

"CHARLES!"




One of my favourite Charles/Magneto moments.

 

[Joker831]

Yeah that scene definitly showed me he didnt really want his friend to die, and if Jean wasnt so damn powerful and Charles wasnt so stubborn to keep trying to enter her mind he may have saved him.

But he always had a soft spot for Charles as his friend. You even seen it in X2 in the prison where he says he is so sorry for having to tell Stryker about the school.

 

[Qoèlet]

he is willing to kill for his cause
not exactly your garden variety hero

Who said hero? He can be a loyal friend to some and he's willing to kill to protect his people from what he sees as a hostile world that wants nothing more than to exterminate him and his race. If anyone believed what Magneto does, that person would in all likelyhood do much the same.

 

[TigerClaw]

Well at the end of the movie before the credits when you see Magneto playing chess by himself, You can tell by the look on his face that he misses Charless deeply, Being at the table all alone.

 

[thorstone]

Magneto was the one who was helpless. Charles could protect himself to some degree from her powers but instead he chose to face her. It was intense (and I didn't want him to die) but it made for a great final scene with Magneto sitting without his chess partner and then moving the chess piece with his power.

 

[Highlord]

Magneto has always had Charles as perhaps his only friend, and one of his greatest enemies also.

Magneto has genuine feelings for Charles as a friend.

 

[Changer d'Elder]

A quote from TAS episode "Graduation Day" (where, by the way, Magneto stops his plan only to help dying Xavier)
Magneto: Why now? My greatest enemy...and perhaps my only friend.
Scott: You know he would do the same for you.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

he is willing to kill for his cause
not exactly your garden variety hero

Willing to kill HUMANS for his cause. Much like America when go to war with another country.

 

[ComicKoryn]

I loved Sir Ian Mckellen's performance in the scene where Charles died, outstanding as usual. He is probably the best actor when it comes to the subtle nuances of a performance, perfectly bringing across an emotion with only the slightest alterations in his features.

 

[LadyVader]

The only thing Magneto cares about in this movie is power, and examples are galore.

 

[Katsuro]

The only thing Magneto cares about in this movie is power, and examples are galore.

Really, cuz this thread seems full of examples of the contrary.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Magneto cares about mutants overcoming humans. Notice how many times he could have easily killed Wolverine in the movies. He is not just killer he kills only for the gain of his kind.

 

[LadyVader]

Really, cuz this thread seems full of examples of the contrary.

- He allies himself with the person who had just killed his best friend
- He deserts Mystique after she loses her powers
- He sends weak mutants to their deaths without blinking.

All the examples to the contrary that I know are the fact he shouts "Charles", and gives Pyro a verbal spanking for some random comment.
Hm.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Magneto calling out for Jean to stop what she's doing.

Jean killing Xavier.

Magneto watching them in horror.

"CHARLES!"




One of my favourite Charles/Magneto moments.

mine too .

 

[thorstone]

- He allies himself with the person who had just killed his best friend
- He deserts Mystique after she loses her powers
- He sends weak mutants to their deaths without blinking.

The character flaws are what make the character so great, we come to pitty him in the end. Though I agree they screwed up the continuity by having him align himself with Phoenix (but they did explain it a bit by showing it was really she who was in control).

 

[ANTARISS]

The character flaws are what make the character so great, we come to pitty him in the end. Though I agree they screwed up the continuity by having him align himself with Phoenix (but they did explain it a bit by showing it was really she who was in control).

I agree with thorstone, these character flaw's make him human and more rounded than the mustache twirling villains in most action movies. Real people are a web of contradictions, we can flip between moods and opinions within second's. I think that Magneto really had a strong affection and respect for Prof X, but we shouldn't forget that he is a 'survivor' by nature as demonstrated by his survival of the holocaust and the prison camp tatoo on his forearm. He is consumed with his ideals just as much as Charles was and he wouldn't let emotional ties get in his way but that doesn't mean that he does not have feelings.

His leaving Mystique was quite logical in his mind and demonstrates my point that he will sacrifice everything for his cause (except his life). Remember the scene from X1 when he shoots the police officer whilst controlling the bullet from going into the guy's head in order to blackmail Charles into letting go of Rogue, he comments that once Charles releases his mental grip, "Still not willing to make sacrifices...that's what makes you weak"

 

[Jan Irisi]

I am dying to know what happened in the span between the young Jean Grey sequence and "today". In that opening sequence they were so friendly and partnerlike, working together. I am dying to know what happened in the interim, to put them on opposite sides so to speak. I hope that one aspect is addressed in the Magneto solo project. What made Magneto turn into the "bad guy"?

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

you know, i wonder just how friendly magneto and charles actually are.

i mean in the first film he send in mystique to seriously mess up cerebro and charles in the process knocking him out cold.

in the second film, he leaves him for dead on alkali lake.

in the last film he shows no grieving for his friend's death, and sits back and lets her kill him without putting up any sort of fight

it's quite obvious that xavier has a love for magneto but i'm not sure just how much that is reciprocated. Respect yes, genuine friendship, probably not anymore...i see him as being civil kinda like if you see an ex at a party and engage in polite chat even if you think they are scum...

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

you know, i wonder just how friendly magneto and charles actually are.

i mean in the first film he send in mystique to seriously mess up cerebro and charles in the process knocking him out cold.

in the second film, he leaves him for dead on alkali lake.

in the last film he shows no grieving for his friend's death, and sits back and lets her kill him without putting up any sort of fight

it's quite obvious that xavier has a love for magneto but i'm not sure just how much that is reciprocated. Respect yes, genuine friendship, probably not anymore...i see him as being civil kinda like if you see an ex at a party and engage in polite chat even if you think they are scum...

1. He sent Mystique not with the intention of killing Charles just to temporarily take him out of commission. I think he knew that Charles would overcome it.

2. How did he leave him for dead?? He left him but Magneto didn't know the the dam was cracked.

3. He obviously didn't want Jean to kill him he was yelling for her to stop. It seems Jean was holding him back.

 

[LEX]

i mean in the first film he send in mystique to seriously mess up cerebro and charles in the process knocking him out cold.

Yes, to prevent him from using the Cerebro. Clearly, he warned Xavier not to get in his way. He could've killed Xavier, but no, just knocked him out for a good while. Why didn't he kill Xavier, then?

in the second film, he leaves him for dead on alkali lake.

He did not know that the dam has ruptured when he left Xavier.

in the last film he shows no grieving for his friend's death, and sits back and lets her kill him without putting up any sort of fight

What the hell? Wolverine and Juggernaut were on the freakin' ceilings, for Christ's sake. Magneto couldn't get up to help his old friend b/c Jean's telekinesis was holding him and the rest of the X-Men and Brotherhood back.

 

[LEX]

in the last film he shows no grieving for his friend's death, and sits back and lets her kill him without putting up any sort of fight

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9031024&postcount=3

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

1. He sent Mystique not with the intention of killing Charles just to temporarily take him out of commission. I think he knew that Charles would overcome it.

2. How did he leave him for dead?? He left him but Magneto didn't know the the dam was cracked.

3. He obviously didn't want Jean to kill him he was yelling for her to stop. It seems Jean was holding him back.

1. Those aren't the actions of a friend.

2. alright, he wouldn't, he still openly manipulated his friend into a weapon of mass destruction which makes his relationship to charles no better than stryker's with his son.

3. he didn't put up a fight or come to any senses after she did what he did, sure his speech with pyro shows he has a deep respect for the man, but it doesn't correlate to friendship. Magneto arguably has no friends as he's either left abaddoned or used anyone that's ever come close to him. charles is no different.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9031024&postcount=3

shouting isn't putting up a fight



even wolverine was able to make some ground up and head towards the living room, mags sat back and he's way up there on power scale, he played it safe and let xavier take the brunt of it. smart move but it isn't what a friend would do.