Magento/Charles Friendship

[LEX]

3. he didn't put up a fight or come to any senses after she did what he did, sure his speech with pyro shows he has a deep respect for the man, but it doesn't correlate to friendship. Magneto arguably has no friends as he's either left abaddoned or used anyone that's ever come close to him. charles is no different.

He couldn't. Jean was too powerful and was holding him back.

And what was he supposed to do? Kill Jean or leave her there?

 

[LEX]

shouting isn't putting up a fight



even wolverine was able to make some ground up and head towards the living room, mags sat back and he's way up there on power scale, he played it safe and let xavier take the brunt of it. smart move but it isn't what a friend would do.

Magneto sat back? It was clear that he tried to get up, but Jean was pushing him back.

 

[LadyVader]

He's the master of magnetism isn't he? Don't tell me there wasn't metal in that neighbourhood and he controls metal with his mind not with his mind In the end Pheonix was taken out by a pair of claws so she could be hurt. He could've tried something if he was such a good friend.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

Just so he wouldn't get in his way. He didn't kill him. Didn't you notice he happened to wake up after Magneto's plans would be done?



Magneto had no idea the dam was going to break. Rewatch the movie to see.



He was thrown into the kitchen and held back while Jean was being all crazy. He was grieving and calling out Charles name during the Jean/Prof X showdown. He was no match for Phoenix.

again, it isn't really true friendship, rather than having respect for the character, there's a difference.

i've covered that, my mistake.

if your closest friend had just been killed by someone, would you then usher away and comfort the killer?

there was no thought of whether if she could do this to charles, she could do it to me and he never once questioned her actions as to why she did what she did, he let his 'friend' die in vain.

 

[LadyVader]

Like i don't know, manipulating the iron in her blood?

 

[LEX]

Isn't Jean a Class 5 mutant and Magneto a Class 4??

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

1. They have a love/hate thing going on. Sometimes they agree, sometimes they disagree. Somtimes to the extreme.

2. Refer to answer 1

3. Exactly what could he do? What could he do while being held back by crazy Phoenix?

xavier never tries to manipulate or seduce magneto for his doings, rather than call him into action for his wrong doings. there's a difference, one is looking out for the other while the other is blatantly taking advantage. It's more than simple agreeing/disagreeing. i think magneto can be civil to charles but would happily stab him in the back?

are you saying the whole master of magnetism couldn't find something to launch at jean while in the house? he was physically held back but how does that restrict his powers?

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

Isn't Jean a Class 5 mutant and Magneto a Class 4??

it doesn;t make him completely helpless though.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

He couldn't. Jean was too powerful and was holding him back.

And what was he supposed to do? Kill Jean or leave her there?

It was quite clear from that scene that magneto was way over his depth trying to get her, he should have cut his loses and realised it was a bad plan and for self preservation tried to anihilate her (rather than running like a chicken at the end of the film).

 

[LadyVader]

1. Throw something at her while she was busy with Xavier
2. Use electricity to knock her out
3. Create a magnetic force field around her
4. Use the iron in her blood to make her unconcious.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

I still haven't heard from anyone what he can do. So if there was metal somewhere around him, what could he do?

er....chucked it in her general direction, used it to create barrier around charles.

he could have even passed on his helmet to xavier to protect him from her onslaught, you know, sacrificed his safety for the welbeing of others, something along the lines of what a friend would do.

instead he played it safe and moaned from a distance from about 2 seconds, then stopped caring...and took his prize he came for like nothing had happened...

 

[LEX]

1. Throw something at her while she was busy with Xavier
2. Use electricity to knock her out
3. Create a magnetic force field around her
4. Use the iron in her blood to make her unconcious.

I think she was way too unstable and powerful for Magneto to fight. She would've probably deflect anything Magneto throws at her. Heck, she might've formed her own shield.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

He saw that she was unstable. Why would he kill who he came for in the first place. He understood that Xavier died but he had bigger plans, and Xavier's death kind of pushed his plans forward also. He felt that Xavier's dream for hope was pointless and it resulted in his death.



His friend didn't die in vain. He did something unknown and unwillingly to someone who trusted him. He then continued to try and do what he did all over again and he died because of it. Yes it was for a good reason but she wanted no part of it.

because of that very point, she is unstable, what is the point of harnessing a power that can potentially destroy you in the long run. i don't see how xavier's death motivated him, if anything he makes jokes about it 'charles said he always wanted to build bridges', not the words of someone who's lost a close friend...

alright i'll reiterate, he died unavenged and also the way he died blatantly showed his students that jean was unstable and something had to be done about her, yet her best friend is unable to see the point that she is unstable and it comes back to bit him in the ass, hence to magneto, xavier's sacrifice goes unwarrented, there are no lessons learnt though it by magneto, even though everyone else seems to catch on it's not a good idea, especially since he doesn't even use her for anything throughout.

infact i dont see any reason why he would wish to aquire her in the first place

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

I think she was way too unstable and powerful for Magneto to fight. She would've probably deflect anything Magneto throws at her. Heck, she might've formed her own shield.

it doesnt mean no effort should be made at all...

magneto just let it happen. his physical prison shouldn't have hampered his abilities to act.

he let it happen...

 

[LEX]

Maybe Jean prevented him from using his powers? Blocking them like what she did with Nightcrawler?

 

[LadyVader]

How? He was wearing his wonder helmet.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

enough evidence to suggest either/or points.

saying this, if she was to negate anyone's powers, surely the first person on the list would have been the professor, yet she didn't.

i think it's fair to say that there's a case to show magneto could have acted but didn't (powerwise).

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

How? He was wearing his wonder helmet.

yeah, this is a simpler reason than mine...

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

I was gonna say that but then I didn't want to hear "Well Nightcrawler wasn't a level 4 mutant like Magneto."

BTW, I don't believe the power level crap from the movies so if you think I said something wrong with Nightcrawler's level, I don't care.

power level reasoning is just a cheap way for non fans to be able to gauge the extent of the pheonix's powers.

it's childish using numerical values to compare potential power but that's what we got...

 

[Jan Irisi]

As I look back on it now, maybe, just maybe, Magneto was calling out to Charles because he knew Charles was sacrificing himself. I kinda got that impression that he allowing Phoenix to kill him, hence the knowing smile to Wolverine. It's like he let go at the end. "Don't let it control you", then splat. I don't know, just kind of a vibe I got from the whole sequence.

 

[LadyVader]

I honestly think that Magneto let Phoenix mess around with Xavier but didn't actually think she would kill him. It happened pretty sudden. And after it was over:
"Ah, my bad. Now Jeanie baby. How about our war..."

 

[LEX]

I honestly think that Magneto let Phoenix mess around with Xavier but didn't actually think she would kill him. It happened pretty sudden. And after it was over:
"Ah, my bad. Now Jeanie baby. How about our war..."

What should he have done? Let Jean go running back to the X-Men, so that they can have more manpower in the final battle?

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

he should have killed her, or at least tried to...if not then, then eventually...

 

[LadyVader]

Exactly! If indeed she was so powerful as to kill xavier and totally incapacitate Magneto, two of the most powerful mutants in the world, it should've been obvious to him that she needed to be killed.

He gambled and he lost.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

if stupid wolverine can realise that she needed to die, why not magneto