But do you feel he did his best? Personally all peter was thinking about was killing the symbiote, harry wasn't on his mind (or at least a priority), otherwise he wouldn't have had that long chat with sandman instead of helping his friend and he didn't properly.
Of course Harry was on his mind and a priority. But he had to deal with Marko as well- He had to be prepared to either reason with or fight Marko (We all saw the kind of damage sandman can do if he's ticked off). And yes, he did his best. This reminds me of a cop show I saw many years back where some nut grabs a child and is threatening to kill him with a hammer. So an off-duty cop grabs his weapon and faces him down. He could see that the man was unstable and likely would injure the boy. So the cop took aim and killed the guy. People were afterward asking why he didn't shoot the hammer out of hand and ridiculous things like that. It's easy to criticize when you're not in such a situation.
I can't show you because in my eyes, he screws up a lot during this film and a couple of times in the second movie and only a pretty much once in the first film showing that he's progressively getting worse.
I'd say he's gotten better.
The thing is that spidey had shown in the first film during a burning building scene, world trade's fare, the tram scene:
the second film during the lil kids save, robbers car chase burning building scene, aunt may bank fight, ock clock tower scene, train sequence, final save of mj:
in all of these scenes, spidey has displayed the ability of dealing with a crisis, saving someone's life and securing them by removing them from the potential harm zone (in most cases, removing them clear from this region).
And none of those situations are the same as in Spidey 3. And he struggled in many of them as well. But for the most part, he was dealing with one threat and had ample time to do so.
Now in eddie's case, after he drags him out, he spends a good few seconds in awe of the symbiote's size
And this is a perfect example of what I'm saying. You're expecting Peter to not be HUMAN. He's never seen anything like this before. It IS awe-inspiring and scary.
He's thinking- "WTF is this thing- and how do I stop it- Okay- before it attacks again- BAM- shake it up with more harsh sound- okay- a pumpkin bomb should kill it-"
Then he goes about taking those actions. Now, read back the thought process i just wrote, and see how long it takes for that sequence to unfold.
There's no time in that plan to think- "What's Eddie going to do?"
"I should tie him down so he doesn't leap back at the symbiote and get killed"
I mean, does that even sound like a REASONABLE pattern of thought?
A reasonable concern? He might as well have said- "I also better spin a tight grouping of walls around this area so Sandman can't get back in to attack me"
but fails to realise that eddie is actually just as close to the symbiote as he is (ie still within the danger zone). So his first failure to me is for some reason not removing somebody from harm's way.
Again- nothing outside the bars is harmed. Eddie was in the safe zone.
The second instance is not restraining properly the assailant so they can't do anymore harm, either to him, others or themselves and this is what leads to eddie's demise.
Peter had to deal with the greatest threat. Without the symbiote, Eddie was harmless.
IF spidey was truelly overwhelmed with what was going on and didn't have time to do things properly, you'd see it in his eyes with regret and he'd beat himself up but he doesn't.
Peter beats himself up for things he's responsible for. Even things that he really isn't responsible for. He's never EVER beat himself up for a villain's stupid choices. Again, he regrets the loss of life, but doesn't blame himself. and he shouldn't. Point to an example of when Peter has blamed himself for a villain's nuttiness.
It's not particularly complex, they manage to show spidey doing this all the time in the cartoons (even in the last venom confrontation in the alien saga).
I have no idea of the situations you mean, so I can't comment on this.
he openly talked to eddie and eddie was doing some crazy talk, how much more does one really truelly need to know when he's already trashed the place, attacked you, wants you dead and has kidnapped your girlfriend and is making sexy innuendo during a serious scene, he's obviously deluded. The audience can clearly see he's drunk on the power, why can't pete?
Peter can see- but there's nothing he can do about it. Just as in spidey 2, He doesn't web up Ock when he has to focus on shutting down the reactor.
And what you're speaking of are the functions of EVERY criminal. They all have to be a little crazy to commit the crimes and threaten lives for the trivial reasons they do.
There was no need to give him the opportunity to give in to temptation, simply restrain him in one swift move, similar to his chucks and web nets shown against ock in the second film.
Who would consider it "tempting" to be blown up with an alien creature? Of course Peter wouldn't consider this.
I'm sorry but people who are a danger to others and themselves due to disabilities DO need to be governed and hopefully are. Obviously this doesnt refer to all disabled people. You know what i mean here dragon.
True. But if they suddenly perform some erratic act, no one can be to blame for not knowing. If Peter knew Eddie had some history of craziness that would be one thing. But he didn't, and couldn't.
Anybody that wants somebody dead because he got caught faking some pics and stole his imaginary girlfriend and goes on a spree of destruction has mental issues in my eyes.
Your view is limited. Behavior you don't condone isn't always reflective of insanity. Abusers in relationships cause physical harm and death over the same insecurities that Eddie displays. But that's not necessarily insanity.
This whole seconds thing is all giggidy.
He's acted quickly at other times to secure people's safety. Either he was negligent and didn't go through the proper proceedings of failed to see eddie's life as potentially worth saving. I don't buy the whole 'he didn't have time' reasoning, webbing someone up takes less than a second.
And in that
second that he was webbing up Eddie, the symbiote would have grabbed Peter. And Eddie's life WASN'T worth saving. He committed murder with no remorse and would have done more. There's no saving someone like that.
What was to stop him hitting the bars to buy himself time, to turn round and web up eddie, just like he used to buy himself time to thrown a pumpkin bomb?
He couldn't just keep hitting the bars and hoping it would work. For all he knew the symbiote could've built up a tolerance to it. He had to act fast to stop it. Eddie wasn't a priority
Watch the scene again, eddie wasn't clear and safe, eddie's just slightly ahead of parker when the bomb was thrown. You make it sound like he was at the other side of the room. Having a civilian on the front line where the hero is i don't believe is a safe and clear location. Was he away from the bomb radius, yes but spidey didn't even know he was going to throw a bomb at that point so that point is kinda out.
Okay. Actually YOU need to watch the scene again. Eddie is BEHIND Peter. It's only the editing that makes it appear he's in front, simply because he's so quickly back in range of the symbiote. Peter yanks Eddie free and has his BACK to the Symbiote when Eddie lands. It's physically impossible for Peter to have yanked Eddie that hard and for Eddie to land IN FRONT of Peter. In the shot when Eddie yells at Peter when Peter starts tossing the pumpkin bomb- Eddie is BEHIND Peter. Yeah, there are shots where it looks like Eddie is in front, but again, that's just to show how quickly Eddie gets back to the symbiote. Similar to Ock throwing Spidey in front of him, and Spidey ending up behind him. And again- Eddie should have run away. Should the folks in the World Trade Center have waited for the rescuers to carry them out?
parker was hitting those bars, the symbiote had no real means of attack, it was potentially secure and open for any onslaught dealt to it. It was pretty much defenseless.
Potentially SECURE? What was securing it? It wasn't defenseless. It took a few seconds to basically grow in size as this was its first moments without a human host. The Symbiote is CLEARLY lunging at him (It moves into a close-up to the camera bearing its fangs!) before Peter hits the bars the last time. And it would have recovered again and attacked if Peter hadn't tossed the bomb.
You really need to understand what combat is like to get this. things are happening too fast and unpredictably for anyone to plan things as you're suggesting. Most of the time, when a fight is over you don't remember alot of what you did because you're running purely on instinct.
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