Die Another Day?

Agentsands77 said:
Bond in CASINO ROYALE had all the features of 007:

-He is a secret agent with the number 007, employed by MI6.
-He has a taste for the finer things in life (fine clothing, has a love for Bollinger champagne and caviar, has a specific recipe for his martini, knows the year of the Aston Martin's make).
-He has a sense of wit.
-He has a bit of arrogance that he carries with him.
-He is a womanizer.
-He is dedicated to his job at all costs.
-He is a coldhearted killer, but can also be charming and romantic.

What, exactly, was Bond missing in CASINO ROYALE?


Now you're just talking nonsense. CASINO ROYALE was full of action. It just wasn't overloaded with it.

I Agree with everything you have said, and Goldeneye if you want a mind numbing action film with zero plot, go watch a film like The Transpoter or XXX. :o
 
Nah - you

Id rather watch a proper Bond movie like GE, TND or OP
 
Goldeneye said:
Thats all it mostly was - quiet bits. :o

Well, there was a lot of action in CR, and the action scenes were NOT gratruitious and unbelievable, unlike the ones in Die Another Day. CR's action scenes actually helped the plot move forward.
 
Goldeneye said:
Nah - you

Id rather watch a proper Bond movie like GE, TND or OP


wtf is OP, i'm assuming you mean Octopussy, but in english we don't abbreviate like an idiot. Nor do we pick Octopussy over Goldfinger and The Spy Who Loved Me as a proper Bond movie.
 
"Octopussy"

Ahhhhhhhh ... now THERE is a bad movie.

Its Bond so I still enjoy it ...... but damn, its almost unwatchable!

Die Another Day was fun ... nothing more, nothing less.
 
DAD opening scene was good after Bond escapes from hospital, it went down hill from there.
 
Goldeneye said:
Nah - you

Id rather watch a proper Bond movie like GE, TND or OP

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA :woot:
Tomorrow Never Dies does not feel like a Bond movie, it's just a standard Hollywood actioner under the guise of Bond, and Octopussy to me is ****e!
 
And to think...this is the last we see of the original bond continuity

for shame
 
Die Another Day, the one thing I enjoyed about the film, the actor who played Bond. The only other thing I liked about the film, well, the actor who played Bond. The action was so beyond belief, I rolled my eyes when I watched it. The movie came to show how out of touch the series became with the character of Bond, the classics of the early Connery films. Its almost becoming cliche to say this because so many other people feel the same way and are expressing it on this site, but the films of the later years (GoldenEye excluded) really weren't James Bond anymore. They were films of action scenes with characters thrown in between named James Bond, M, Moneypenny, Q and a villain named *fill in the blank* Gone was any real suspense. Gone was any real, yes, REAL dialogue. No real character development. Unless you count a face-change operation as character development, that is. With the new movie Casino Royale, I feel there is more of a connection to the real character of Bond. The true "classic Bond." More of a connection to Connery's early films and more of a connection to what the series really was about.
I liked Pierce Brosnan as Bond, don't get me wrong. He just ended his career in a bad movie.
Some people just will never get over the fact that there is a new Bond. "Oh my God he has BLONDE hair!" Give me a break. Thats a poor argument. The realization is that the vast majority of the people who have seen the new movie think Craig is at least anywhere from a good Bond to a great one. Some people may not change there minds about it I guess, just how some people may not change there minds about thinking Elvis Pressley is still alive too.
Free World, Free Opinions.
 
livrule said:
"Octopussy"

Ahhhhhhhh ... now THERE is a bad movie.

Its Bond so I still enjoy it ...... but damn, its almost unwatchable!

Die Another Day was fun ... nothing more, nothing less.

Are we watching the same movies?

Die Another Day is absolute crap.

Octopussy contains two of the most tense and atmospheric Bond sequences....the opening with the clown being chased by the knife-throwing twins, and Bond later dressed as (exactly the same, great foreshadowing) clown racing to defuse a nuclear bomb. It also has great action, such as the climax of Bond on top of an aeroplane - genuinely done for real, while DAD has awful CGI instead of stunts.
 
Kevin Roegele said:
Are we watching the same movies?

Die Another Day is absolute crap.

Octopussy contains two of the most tense and atmospheric Bond sequences....the opening with the clown being chased by the knife-throwing twins, and Bond later dressed as (exactly the same, great foreshadowing) clown racing to defuse a nuclear bomb. It also has great action, such as the climax of Bond on top of an aeroplane - genuinely done for real, while DAD has awful CGI instead of stunts.

Octopussy had its share of flaws, but it had some really good elements that redeems its flaws: a believable romantic interest for Moore/Bond (i.e. a Bond girl who is closer to his age), an intelligent villain scheme, great actors playing believable characters, some very exciting action scenes, etc.
 
Everyman said:
Octopussy had its share of flaws, but it had some really good elements that redeems its flaws: a believable romantic interest for Moore/Bond (i.e. a Bond girl who is closer to his age), an intelligent villain scheme, great actors playing believable characters, some very exciting action scenes, etc.

Exactly. The romance was far more believable because Maud Adams was a lot closer to Moore in age (he was only 84 years older than her).
 
Kevin Roegele said:
Exactly. The romance was far more believable because Maud Adams was a lot closer to Moore in age (he was only 84 years older than her).

Well, at least she was not a Bond-lolita...;)
 
Everyman said:
Well, at least she was not a Bond-lolita...;)

That's what's great about FYEO (well, one great thing about it). "You put your clothes on, and I'll buy you an ice cream."
 
This has been said a hundred times over, but seriously... Who directed the first 20 minutes of this movie? I need to know!
 
Furious Styles said:
This has been said a hundred times over, but seriously... Who directed the first 20 minutes of this movie? I need to know!

Yeah, MGM shoud release a new cut of the movie on DVD - 'the first twenty minutes' edition.
 
LOL, Let's send a call to Blofeld's Cat, if he could make Never Say McClory Again (aka Never Say Never Again Special Edition) he can make this.
 
Furious Styles said:
LOL, Let's send a call to Blofeld's Cat, if he could make Never Say McClory Again (aka Never Say Never Again Special Edition) he can make this.

Yeah, it's easy. Just swap the opening credits with the closing credits. ;)
 
The only part I liked about Die Another Day was Moneypenny in the virtual reality thing. :)

And I don't think this film get's any hate it doesn't deserve, but I do think Pierce Brosnan does.
 
Hopefully, EON gets some sense knocked into them and fires Wade and Purvis before Bond 22. I'd hate to see Craig go the way of Brosnan. Promising actor with loads of potential to carry Bond into new territory and he ends up getting slaughtered by a poor script.
 
SeriousDuke said:
Does anybody like the Bond film Die Another Day? I've heard a lot of negative responses to this film... and this is my favorite Bond film. I have seen close to all of the films... missed a few Roger Moore's and Liscense to Kill... but, out of all the Bond's I have seen, including Casino Royale, Die Another Day is my favorite Bond film. It is the most fast moving, it is beautifull to look at, Brosnan's my favorite Bond, and the action is terrific. Is this anybody elses favorite?... and, if you don't like the film, why don't you like it?

~SD

The film started off well, I even forgave the cgi surfing :whatever: but once Bond arrived in Havannah, the film nose-dived into suckland. It just became rediculous. If its not the worst Bond movie, its one of the worst.
Please, go and watch Connery's movies to see how its done.
 
Furious Styles said:
Hopefully, EON gets some sense knocked into them and fires Wade and Purvis before Bond 22. I'd hate to see Craig go the way of Brosnan. Promising actor with loads of potential to carry Bond into new territory and he ends up getting slaughtered by a poor script.

Thank you!!

Wade and purvis wrote TWINE and DAD and they sucked. CR was brilliant because they had the novel as a blueprint and they had Haggis turning their sh1t to gold.
 
I like this movie up until the Ice Palace scene, then it goes downhill. FAST.
 
I didn't bother checking for anoteh thread... what a noob thing to do :(
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Perhaps one of the most hated movies in all of Geekdom, how is it really? Not bad... It reminds me of Licence to Kill in the sense that in LtK the first 40 minutes are dreadful and then it's really good, while DaD starts off really good and just slips into god knows what. Let me just point out at the end of the movie, I decided that it was decent around 6.5/10 and had some memorable moments. For example, the opening scene is excellent and very fresh way to start the movie, and the following bits with M is excellent as well. The movie has a lot going it's way in terms of seeing who James Bond is by rebuilding the character, but that's all in the first hour. Things start to go a little sour when the Gene Therapy Clinic shows up and you're like WTF? BUt you figure, it's a James Bond movie you can over-look it, and then the movie keeps on going pretty well, you get to the ice palace, James Bond is being chased by a killer death ray from the sky(which I'm cool with), then he's ****ing surfing? After that the movie takes a nose-dive.

The silly nature of the movie in a lot of ways is charming, part of the problem lies in the ****ty set design. If you're going have gene therapy, make it look cool, not like a neo-disco 80s danceroom with the neon lights, if you're going have a robotic suit, at least make it useful other than some 5 minute thing at the end of a movie, and again make it look cool. I think major problem with the movie is set-design and prop-making looked really cheesy, along with some of the effects. But in the end for a majority movie the first hour and a half, the sillyness works more than it doesn't. It was nice to sit back and see a silly James Bond plot again, while TND was silly, it wasn't Moonraker level silly, and it was fun seeing that again.

Some other things I liked about the movie, Jinx and Miranda, I like how this movie try turning everything on it's head, it really allowed for some contrasts to the James Bond character. However, like Kevin I believe said, you can't go too far with the changes before the producers reel you in, and that's what in the end really kill this film. For every change they had, they had a typical bond move to back it up. Also the pay-offs in the film were terrible, and the movie gets self-indulgent. For example Kao and Bond have a car chase, in which they start at the ice palace, leave it going miles, and hten come back, it all feel useless and gratutious since nothing is accomplished.

The sad thing about this movie is it could of easily been changed, had they made some last minute editing changes. For example they should of cut the surf scene since it looks horrible, cut out all the robot suit scene, they really should of just refilmed the entire climax... Honestly him sniping the guy out at the airfield would of been better than what they did, the whole airplane scene just drags tremendously. In the end I enjoyed it, it was far from perfect but it wasn't god awful...

6.5/10
 
I can't actually believe that the people who made the three previous Bond films made the last half of DAD. GE, TND and TWINE all seemed to take the character seriously and allowed Brosnan to create a Bond who was emotionally vulnerable. In GE it was guilt over the death of 006 and his feelings of isolation as he tried to find a role in a changed world. In TND it was his fear of how any kind of emotional ties would hamper his ability to do his job. In TWINE, we actually come closest to a Flemingesque Bond with the Electra being the proverbial "bird with a broken wing" that Fleming had Bond fall for in the novels, and Bond's ruthlessness coming out after her betrayal.

DAD seems to start off that way with Bond's captivity and torture but then degenerates into over the top set pieces and an emphasis on a character (Jinx) that was unwarranted by both the character and the performance. I have argued before that one of the great failings of the Bond producers has been their reluctance to plan ahead, to develop a character arc through more than one movie. DAD would have been a glorious chance to end current continuity, or even the limited continuity of the Brosnan era and restart the franchise. It also would have gone along way of preventing the early backlash against the casting of Craig, because fans would have known this was Brosnan's last, been ready for a changing of the guards and also seen the Bond that had variations of the same character for 20 films come to a fitting end of his run.
 

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