The Force Awakens Differences between TFA timeline and the Legends timeline (SPOILER WARNING)

[horacethegrey]

Well now that the movie is out, I guess it'd be nice to list down the differences between this new timeline and the Legend timelines (Lucasfilm's new title for the old Expanded Universe). I'd like to note that aside from The Heir to the Empire Trilogy by Timothy Zahn I haven't read much on the Expanded Universe. Most of my knowledge of the EU comes from that series and some videogames I've played like the Jedi Knight series starring Kyle Katarn and some info I've read in sites like Wookiepedia. Feel free to add info that I may have missed.



AGAIN, SPOILER WARNING. DO NOT READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE EVENTS OF THE FORCE AWAKENS.



Luke Skywalker

Legends: Luke is the Grand Master of the New Jedi Academy with many apprentices. Though I've heard a lot of them we're killed during the war with the Yuuzhan Vong. He was married to former Emperor's Hand Mara Jade before she died at the hands of his nephew Jacen Solo. They had one son, Ben Skywalker.

The Force Awakens: The Last Jedi in the galaxy, as Kylo Ren slaughtered all his apprentices and he's gone into hiding. As far as we know Luke has not married or fathered any children.

Han Solo

Legends: Han and Leia remain together and have three children. Returned to smuggling during the Yuuzhan Vong War after Chewbacca is killed.

The Force Awakens: Was married to Leia Organa and had a son, Ben Solo. After Ben fell to the Dark Side and takes on the name of Kylo Ren, Han returns to smuggling with his longtime companion Chewbacca. Is reunited with Leia and is subsequently killed by Kylo Ren on the Starkiller Base when tries to convince the latter to return home.

Leia Organa Solo

Legends: Leia plays a huge part in the formation of The New Republic even becoming Chief of State two times. She marries Han and gives birth to three children, and becomes a full fledged Jedi Knight under Luke's tutelage.

The Force Awakens: Leia married Han and gave birth to Ben Solo. After Ben's fall and Han leaving, Leia now heads the Resistance against the First Order. It's unclear how much Jedi training Leia has recieved from Luke during the intervening years.

Chewbacca

Legends: Chewie remains at Han Solo's side even after his marriage to Leia, and becomes the guardian of their three children. He dies during the Yuuzhan Vong invasion of the galaxy.

The Force Awakens: He and Han are still together and return to the smuggler's life. Is distraught at Han's death at the hands of Kylo Ren. Accompanies Rey in the Millenium Falcon when she goes to meet Luke Skywalker.

Han and Leia's children

Legends: Han and Leia have three children. Twins Jacen and Jaina and the youngest Anakin. All three become Jedi Knights under Luke's tutelage. Jacen falls to the Dark Side and becomes Darth Cadeus, and kills Luke's wife Mara Jade. Jaina then trains under Boba Fett and the Mandalorians and subsequently kills Jacen in combat. Anakin dies later during the second Galactic Civil War.

The Force Awakens: Ben Solo as far as we know is Han and Leia's only child. He falls to the Dark Side and slaughters most of his uncle Luke's apprentices. He then takes on the name Kylo Ren and joins The First Order under the command of Grand Leader Snoke, who appears to be his Sith Master. At the Starkiller Base Ren encounters his father once more who tries to convince him to turn away from his dark path. Ren however refuses to listen and stabs Han in response. While trying to stop the escape of Finn and Rey he and Rey duel and loses to her, and then subsequently escapes the destruction of the Starkiller Base.

The Empire

Legends: The Remains of the Empire become the Imperial Remnant under the command of Grand Admiral Thrawn. After Thrawn's death, the Remnant are now under the command of his second in command Captain Palleon. Later Captain Palleon and the Remant join forces with New Republic to repel the Yuuzhan Vong invasion.

The Force Awakens: After being defeated in the Battle of Jakku, the remaining Imperial forces sign a peace treaty with the New Republic and keep their territories within the Inner Rim. Later on they return as The First Order under leadership of Grand Leader Snoke. They then use the Starkiller Base's planet laser to destroy Corsucant and it's sister planets, thus crippling The New Republic.

EDIT: My mistake. It seems it wasn't Coruscant the Starkiller Base destroyed, but rather Hosnian Prime. Thanks to hippie_hunter for the correct info.

Well that's all I have so far. Please add additional info if you have any.

 

[False Prophet]

So far, it seems like Kylo is an amalgamation of all of the EU kid Skywalkers.

 

[horacethegrey]

So far, it seems like Kylo is an amalgamation of all of the EU kid Skywalkers.

In what way may I ask? Again, I've not read up on the old EU and never really followed the exploits of the Solo and Skywalker kids.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Corsucant wasn't destroyed, it was Hosnian Prime.

 

[horacethegrey]

Corsucant wasn't destroyed, it was Hosnian Prime.

Really? I was kind of confused while watching the film. I really thought it was Coruscant the Starkiller Base destroyed, seeing as how they wanted to send a message to the galaxy. What better way than to destroy the New Republic's center of government?

I really need to watch the movie again to get the details right. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[False Prophet]

In what way may I ask? Again, I've not read up on the old EU and never really followed the exploits of the Solo and Skywalker kids.

His name (Ben Skywalker), his turn to the dark side(Jacen), overall Force potential (Anakin), and the bits of goodness left (Jaina). I'm probably reaching, though.

 

[horacethegrey]

His name (Ben Skywalker), his turn to the dark side(Jacen), overall Force potential (Anakin), and the bits of goodness left (Jaina). I'm probably reaching, though.

Huh. Well thanks for the info. I guess you could infer some similarties between Kylo Ren and EU Skywalker kids if you look at it like that. Though I'm pretty sure Lawrence Kasdan and JJ Abrams didn't look for inspiration from the EU when they created Ren for the new movies.

 

[False Prophet]

Huh. Well thanks for the info. I guess you could infer some similarties between Kylo Ren and EU Skywalker kids if you look at it like that. Though I'm pretty sure Lawrence Kasdan and JJ Abrams didn't look inspiration from the EU when they created Ren for the new movies.

There are always going to be knuckleheads like me who make the comparisons, because the concept of Vader's grandkids was done so well in the EU. t:

 

[hippie_hunter]

Really? I was kind of confused while watching the film. I really thought it was Coruscant the Starkiller Base destroyed, seeing as how they wanted to send a message to the galaxy. What better way than to destroy the New Republic's center of government?

I really need to watch the movie again to get the details right. Thanks for clearing that up.

The First Order destroyed the New Republic's center of government, but the New Republic never restored the Galactic Senate on Coruscant. When the Galactic Senate was restored immediately after the Battle of Endor, the first capital was on Chandrila, the home world of their political leader Mon Mothma and because Coruscant was still under Imperial control until the Galactic Concordance was signed after the Battle of Jakku. Then after an election, the New Republic moved the capital to Hosnian Prime.

 

[horacethegrey]

The First Order destroyed the New Republic's center of government, but the New Republic never restored the Galactic Senate on Coruscant. When the Galactic Senate was restored immediately after the Battle of Endor, the first capital was on Chandrila, the home world of their political leader Mon Mothma and because Coruscant was still under Imperial control until the Galactic Concordance was signed after the Battle of Jakku. Then after an election, the New Republic moved the capital to Hosnian Prime.

Oi vey. I hadn't realized the New Republic was no longer based on Coruscant in the new Canon. I had gotten so used to Coruscant being the center of government in the EU that it hadn't occurred to me that they hadn't taken that planet back from the Imperial Remnant in this new timeline.

Again, thanks for clearing that up hippie_hunter.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I thought it was Coruscant at first glace as well for the exact same reason.

 

[DarkShadow10]

Hey horacethegrey, A few things you got wrong:

1) Luke only HAD two Apprentices in the Nu!Canon: Ben & an unidentified individual. The rest were presumably self-trained.
2) The First Galactic Empire still exits, but is currently a 'rump state'. The First Order is comprised of Imperial Officers, troops, nobles, bureaucrats, 'technologists' (presumably scientists and/or technicians), and some Inquisitors who fled into the Unknown Regions after the Empire surrendered to Mon Mothma's New Republic.

 

[horacethegrey]

Hey horacethegrey, A few things you got wrong:

1) Luke only HAD two Apprentices in the Nu!Canon: Ben & an unidentified individual. The rest were presumably self-trained.
2) The First Galactic Empire still exits, but is currently a 'rump state'. The First Order is comprised of Imperial Officers, troops, nobles, bureaucrats, 'technologists' (presumably scientists and/or technicians), and some Inquisitors who fled into the Unknown Regions after the Empire surrendered to Mon Mothma's New Republic.

Ah. So the First Order is a splinter group from the Empire? Thanks for clearing that up.

And regarding your first point, was that unidentified apprentice ever mentioned in the film?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

me too, i even thought the star killer base was hoth

 

[DarkShadow10]

Ah. So the First Order is a splinter group from the Empire? Thanks for clearing that up.

And regarding your first point, was that unidentified apprentice ever mentioned in the film?

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2) You're welcome!

 

[Sithborg]

There are always going to be knuckleheads like me who make the comparisons, because the concept of Vader's grandkids was done so well in the EU. t:

And then crapped on so very, very hard. At least Anakin Solo died before he could be ruined.