Discussion: Evolution

[Darthphere]

using the established definition of 'fact' is not my opinion, it's fact, lol.


here's an article on the nucleac properties that amino acids provide in bacteria etc, and how they form http://www3.oup.co.uk/nar/database/summary/938

Yeah, but using a certain definintion, and saying its the best defintion is opinion.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Yeah, but using a certain definintion, and saying its the best defintion is opinion.

it's the ONLY accpeted definition

 

[Darthphere]

it's the ONLY accpeted definition

Who made that decision?

 

[Super Kal]

it's still just an opinion, and opinions are never fact until they are proven as fact.

 

[Cyrusbales]

http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=987697 this article goes into more depth if you sign up...

who made that descision? well it's a common conclusion made after over 2500 years.

kakarot069 - what is the definition of a fact, and how do you prove something as being a fact?

 

[mightiest_mortal]

K this threads getting kind of pointless now. Feel like banging my head against a brick wall.

 

[Super Kal]

http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=987697 this article goes into more depth if you sign up...

who made that descision? well it's a common conclusion made after over 2500 years.

kakarot069 - what is the definition of a fact, and how do you prove something as being a fact?

–noun

1.something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2.something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3.a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
4.something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.
5.Law. Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence. Compare question of fact, question of law. —Idioms
6.after the fact, Law. after the commission of a crime: an accessory after the fact.
7.before the fact, Law. prior to the commission of a crime: an accessory before the fact.
8.in fact, actually; really; indeed: In fact, it was a wonder that anyone survived.
[Origin: 1530–40; < L factum something done, deed, n. use of neut. of factus done, ptp. of facere to do1

]

—Related formsfactful, adjective

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Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006. American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source fact (f&#257;kt) Pronunciation Key

n.

1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.

 

[Cyrusbales]

–noun 1.something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact. 2.something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact. 3.a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth. 4.something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable. 5.Law. Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence. Compare question of fact, question of law. —Idioms6.after the fact, Law. after the commission of a crime: an accessory after the fact. 7.before the fact, Law. prior to the commission of a crime: an accessory before the fact. 8.in fact, actually; really; indeed: In fact, it was a wonder that anyone survived.
[Origin: 1530–40; < L factum something done, deed, n. use of neut. of factus done, ptp. of facere to do1

]

—Related formsfactful, adjective

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006. American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source fact (f&#257;kt) Pronunciation Key

n.

1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.

well red shift is evidence for the big bang, along with the motion of existing matter, and some more which is also in hawking book.

Evolution has fossil remains and such like, also bacteria can be seen to evolve over the course of several weeks, so that is OBSERVED evolution, so yes, it is fact by definition

 

[mightiest_mortal]

well red shift is evidence for the big bang, along with the motion of existing matter, and some more which is also in hawking book.

Evolution has fossil remains and such like, also bacteria can be seen to evolve over the course of several weeks, so that is OBSERVED evolution, so yes, it is fact by definition

Dude, don't bother, seriously. Youl never get anywhere, some people just cant be told.

 

[Majik1387]

Did anyone really answer where they believe God came from?

 

[mightiest_mortal]

He didnt come from anywhere.... he just existed. The universe cant just exist though, because nothing can just exist... apart from God.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Did anyone really answer where they believe God came from?

the mind of man

 

[Eros]

Did anyone really answer where they believe God came from?

Maybe God is just a mega powerful being, from space. Perhaps he is like suped up Galactus.

 

[Addendum]

I'm not saying I disagree with you, but you lack the mindset to be able to have faith in the first place. I'm the same way.

I just have to laugh at that.

I guess religions should include some fine print at the end of their "holy books" that reads "Of course, when we say 'available to everyone' that doesn't include cynics, skeptics, people who don't subscribe to blind faith, and people who don't trust easily"

 

[mightiest_mortal]

I just have to laugh at that.

I guess religions should include some fine print at the end of their "holy books" that reads "Of course, when we say 'available to everyone' that doesn't include cynics, skeptics, people who don't subscribe to blind faith, and people who don't trust easily"

ROFL t:

 

[DarthRekal]

Did anyone really answer where they believe God came from?

thats basis for a seperate thread...

 

[Majik1387]

He didnt come from anywhere.... he just existed. The universe cant just exist though, because nothing can just exist... apart from God.

That sounds like a cop out.

the mind of man

Well I know that what some people say but I just wanted to know from the believers.

Maybe God is just a mega powerful being, from space. Perhaps he is like suped up Galactus.

Hope he doesn't eat the world.

thats basis for a seperate thread...

We should have a seperate thread for it.

 

[Kritish]

Thomas Jefferson was an deist, and Joan Of Ark was insane...I dont think any of them were smarter than anyone else either, they just reached power.

Thank god you said that, I'm sick of people calling Joan of Ark so great.
Generally people that hear voices are um crazy. One mans lunatic is another mans prophet of god.

Where did the meteor come from?

A lot of scientists can't even agree with that, but I tend to subscribe to string theory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory

 

[Eros]

whats up with dinosaurs, how did they come about?

 

[Sandman138]

this goes over the science of it, http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/21/9/1683

There is an article I'll look for that breaks it down into simpler terms...

From what I can tell, which I must grant is rather limited, that journal seems to be about synthizing amino acids from one celled organisms.

 

[Cyrusbales]

From what I can tell, which I must grant is rather limited, that journal seems to be about synthizing amino acids from one celled organisms.

it's a two way process, you can use the same logic to synthesise one celled organisms from amino acides, like E=MC^2 gives you the atomic bomb reaction backwards etc.... There's lots on the amino life projects, altho a lot is in japanese

 

[The_Mystery]

You might think it's fact, but I BELIEVE that it's false

 

[Kritish]

whats up with dinosaurs, how did they come about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_life

 

[Eros]

it's a two way process, you can use the same logic to synthesise one celled organisms from amino acides, like E=MC^2 gives you the atomic bomb reaction backwards etc.... There's lots on the amino life projects, altho a lot is in japanese

nevermind

 

[Cyrusbales]

You might think it's fact, but I BELIEVE that it's false

but believing is not fact, unless it is true and justified. Fact is true, justified and believed....