Discussion: Evolution

[Canadian Rider]

Spainards figure out the world was round. Galieo knew the world revolved around the sun. Science can be flawed but its a process of constantly seeing how things work. Anicent civilizations were really smart. Religion is nonsecense set in stone that can't be question. Science can improve itself.

I am not sure what 'Religion' you speak of, but my faith is based on a relationship with a God who tells me to question everything, testing it and not blindly following it.

I can choose to believe the old testament as entirely literal or not. I can choose to follow Christ or not? There are many things I can question and look into.

Yet I wonder, how many scientists can stand up and say that they don't believe in evolution without being ridiculed and looked down upon.

I am not sure where the freedom in my faith is lacking, but I would take a faith that asks me to test and question everything in my life each day, then a 'discipline' of science that will not change or accept new ideas unless some 'fact' proves that I am correct, before I can question the 'fact' that exists now.

 

[Caliber]

Thank You for undoing your initial statement about Science being LESS fallable.

.. And I see by your last statement that what you really meant to say was, that Science gives you more reason to have "faith" in it.

Good use of words, but science is fallable. You were smart enough to use words to make science look more fallable than it is but theat the same tactic used by every person saying hasn't proved a thing. I have no faith in science because I use logic and common sense. Faith is for those who believe in invisable man watching your every move. Creepy.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

Facts change over time periods. Facts from 50 to 100 years ago need to be check if they are still valid. Doesn't make them less valid just needs to be looked like one would do in experiement. Gravity always been a fact because it common sense.

I'm not going to go into this any further, because I have already ascertained your true 'feelings'. You feel science is less fallable and that's why you put your trust in Science. But by your very words you've shown that it's not the INFALLABILITY that you trust, it's the fact that science is willing to ammend itself to new concepts. So it's really the fact the science is FALLABLE that you trust in.

As long as you are aware that science isn't the end all and be all of truth, then we're good.

 

[Canadian Rider]

Or is it? Would you rather have no faith but logic and common sense that can be fallible, or a relationship with a God who loves you and wants you to have the best life you can while you are on Earth.

You have your journey ahead Caliber and I wish you well. I walk with God at my side and in a relationship that provides me with hope, joy and faith while I look at a world that is filled with a human race that at times seems bent on destroying itself as soon as it can ...

 

[Canadian Rider]

PS Caliber ... love your avvy. Doom. Now there is a man of faith in science and religion!

 

[Caliber]

I'm not going to go into this any further, because I have already ascertained your true 'feelings'. You feel science is less fallable and that's why you put your trust in Science. But by your very words you've shown that it's not the INFALLABILITY that you trust, it's the fact that science is willing to ammend itself to new concepts. So it's really the fact the science is FALLABLE that you trust in.

As long as you are aware that science isn't the end all and be all of truth, then we're good.

I think science is fallable but what I go on is logic and common sense. Thats the only real truth. Faith is something no bodyt can measure and dosn't make a it true. But science to me tries to prove that what they are talking about is true or false. Religion doesn't have that option.

 

[Caliber]

PS Caliber ... love your avvy. Doom. Now there is a man of faith in science and religion!

His religious beliefs are ones I could follow. Ulitmate belief in oneself. I want to be like that opne day.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

I think science is fallable but what I go on is logic and common sense. Thats the only real truth. Faith is something no bodyt can measure and dosn't make a it true. But science to me tries to prove that what they are talking about is true or false. Religion doesn't have that option.

.. Well, I don't know about that, there are TONS of religions that seem intent on 'prooving' themselves.

At any rate, I see where you're coming from. I would like to encourage you not to give up on faith. It can go a lot farther and be quite a bit more helpful than trust or facts when used properly.

 

[JokerNick_2]

I see many of you don't even know what "faith" is....

 

[Buttman]

There's a reason it's called the Theory Of Evolution.

Besides, the more evidence we discover, the more we poke holes in the theory. We're going the other way, not confirming it as fact.

 

[PLAS]

Or is it? Would you rather have no faith but logic and common sense that can be fallible, or a relationship with a God who loves you and wants you to have the best life you can while you are on Earth.

You have your journey ahead Caliber and I wish you well. I walk with God at my side and in a relationship that provides me with hope, joy and faith while I look at a world that is filled with a human race that at times seems bent on destroying itself as soon as it can ...

I totally agree with you and share your sentiment, and here's something that might get me to loose points with The Big Guy, I also believe that we have evolved through time, and not hundreds or thousands or hundreds of thousands of years, I mean millions

 

[PLAS]

There's a reason it's called the Theory Of Evolution.

Besides, the more evidence we discover, the more we poke holes in the theory. We're going the other way, not confirming it as fact.

would you be so kind to enlighten us about such holes you're talking about? please?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

There's a reason it's called the Theory Of Evolution.

Besides, the more evidence we discover, the more we poke holes in the theory. We're going the other way, not confirming it as fact.

You're either pulling this out of your ass...or have been completely lied to. The theory may and has changed...but we've only confirmed Evolution's existence and role in development in the last decades. The only debate now is how it led to create the world we know today.

 

[JokerNick_2]

You're either pulling this out of your ass...or have been completely lied to. The theory may and has changed...but we've only confirmed Evolution's existence and role in development in the last decades. The only debate now is how it led to create the world we know today.

Jesus?

 

[Canadian Rider]

I like homer's idea ...


"Save me Jebus!"

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Jesus?

Well, Intelligent design...at least the more liberal forms of it...uphold that all the evidence and dates to Evolution are correct but that God/Jesus/Flying-Spaghetti-Monster was guiding it with his hand and that none of it is "accidental".

However I should note it doesn't follow anything resembling the scientific method.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I like homer's idea ...


"Save me Jebus!"

I like the Jesus from Twisted Toyfare's "Planet of the Apes" spoof.

"Save me Monkey Jesus!"

 

[Angry Sentinel]

Well, Intelligent design...at least the more liberal forms of it...uphold that all the evidence and dates to Evolution are correct but that God/Jesus/Flying-Spaghetti-Monster was guiding it with his hand and that none of it is "accidental".

However I should note it doesn't follow anything resembling the scientific method.

Oooh noes, not that dang flying spaghetti monster again!!!111

LMAO

 

[Canadian Rider]

I like the Jesus from Twisted Toyfare's "Planet of the Apes" spoof.

"Save me Monkey Jesus!"

I work for a Christian company that distributes a range of products and I actually saw a jesus action figure.

I really wanted to buy it and bring it home so I could take pictures of it baptizing my green lantern, batman and Dr. Doom figures ... t:

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I am not sure what 'Religion' you speak of, but my faith is based on a relationship with a God who tells me to question everything, testing it and not blindly following it.

I can choose to believe the old testament as entirely literal or not. I can choose to follow Christ or not? There are many things I can question and look into.

I can choose to believe Star Wars is reality. So yes it's entirely up to you what you believe, but you also "ought to" have a basis for those beliefs other than "because...that's what I think". I would say that type of belief is lazy and dangerous. If God indeed did write this Bible, and those who have studied have (and they do) come to the conclusion it's not 100% literal (which is an entirely American Western phenomena by the way) and that those who WROTE the Bible did not take it that way (which from all accounts we have -- they didn't) then it would suggest to me you in fact don't put any work at all in what you claim to be so engrossed it. A relationship of a certain God is a "religion" because that God is based in sacred texts. Anyone can create an imaginary friend and call it God...it actually takes work to understand a people's God.

Yet I wonder, how many scientists can stand up and say that they don't believe in evolution without being ridiculed and looked down upon.

This is a problem I encounter with countless Christians. Solipcism. The belief that everyone else sees "their worlds" the way they see theirs. I don't, and scientists don't see things in terms of belief. And scientists certainly don't ridicule competing theories because said theories would have to be grounded with evidence and logic...in fact it's far more likely they'd consider the theory and a new theory would come out of it. Evolution is a prime example of where competing theories and new data have led to the evolution of it as a theory.

Most scientists, and most rationalists (like myself) try to take things as little on faith as possible...so the question of belief is not even a question. We don't believe things, we seek answers to problems we pose ourselves. We try to find solutions through a tried and true method and try to be as skeptical as possible while doing so...quiet the opposite of belief.

I am not sure where the freedom in my faith is lacking, but I would take a faith that asks me to test and question everything in my life each day, than a 'discipline' of science that will not change or accept new ideas unless some 'fact' proves that I am correct, before I can question the 'fact' that exists now.

But it does accept new ideas. Gravity as Newton purposed it is no longer applicable because of new ideas. Darwin's evolutionary theory is long outdated because of new ideas. If you think science lacks new ideas I'd have to ask you why every semester the Science books go out of edition and new ones have to be ordered. Because new ideas change the information in them.

 

[Buttman]

You're either pulling this out of your ass...or have been completely lied to. The theory may and has changed...but we've only confirmed Evolution's existence and role in development in the last decades. The only debate now is how it led to create the world we know today.

Why did some animals just.. decide to eat others?

 

[PLAS]

Why did some animals just.. decide to eat others?

because they were hungry, just like you decide to eat whatever it is you eat... when you're hungry

 

[JokerNick_2]

Why did some animals just.. decide to eat others?

combination of Curiousity and Fruads threory of sexual gratification through the mouth...

 

[PLAS]

combination of Curiousity and Fruads threory of sexual gratification through the mouth...

but mostly because they were hungry

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Why did some animals just.. decide to eat others?

Well bacteria eats other bacteria...actually some people think that's how we first stopped producing asexually...but digress.

Behaviors are quiet able to pass on in the genetic code. Animals don't just "decide" to start doing something. It happens potentially over thousands of years that a small group of that animal acquires a certain behavior and gains a better chance at survival because of it. Perhaps a better example would be "why do most animals care for their young"...because those that didn't never were able to produce offspring capable of surviving. And sometimes these behaviors become hardwired (as has been shown in case studies) in the brains of those who practice them that they become instinct.