Discussion: Evolution

[Carcharodon]

see but thats the thing, evolution is a fact, like i said before, we see it happen all the time.


MYA means, million years ago.

you see how many years apart each of these species were. well technically they are the same species, they had just evolved. the bottom horse is what we have now, now think of what it may look like in a few million years.

things evolve.


think about humans, look how weve evolved. we basically evolve every day, its called aging but, it still some how counts as evolution. we grow taller, our hair grows longer, our nails, our faciel fetures change from kid to adult.

some can choose to belive, evolution is theory, and some can belive its fact.

but hey, what ever.

I'm only going to say this one more time, as I'm sure everybody else is tired of having to repeat this over and over and OVER as well:

BY DEFINITION, EVOLUTION IS NOT SCIENTIFIC FACT. BY DEFINITION, EVOLUTION IS A SCIENTIFIC THEORY.

Being a biology major and an aspiring scientist, and having PERSONALLY TALKED TO SCIENTISTS AND PROFESSORS ON THIS AND SIMILAR MATTERS, I can say that evolution is a theory.

Ask a scientist, Ice-man. I'm not even kidding. Ask one. Your apparent definition of, "theory," is not applicable by scientific standards, and you are, therefore, wrong.

Furthermore, the lineage of, "horses," you've shown there accompanied by your explanation shows your clear lack of understanding of evolutionary principles. "you see how many years apart each of these species were. well technically they are the same species, they had just evolved."

They are NOT, in fact, the same species. Hence, the differring species names listed in the figure.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Evoultion is fact,its the progession of one species over time..influenced by its enviroment,climate or bodily changes to better help it surive.

 

[Super Kal]

that's just the theory of evolution... it doesn't prove it's existence.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I'm only going to say this one more time, as I'm sure everybody else is tired of having to repeat this over and over and OVER as well:

BY DEFINITION, EVOLUTION IS NOT SCIENTIFIC FACT. BY DEFINITION, EVOLUTION IS A SCIENTIFIC THEORY.

Being a biology major and an aspiring scientist, and having PERSONALLY TALKED TO SCIENTISTS AND PROFESSORS ON THIS AND SIMILAR MATTERS, I can say that evolution is a theory.

Ask a scientist, Ice-man. I'm not even kidding. Ask one. Your apparent definition of, "theory," is not applicable by scientific standards, and you are, therefore, wrong.

Furthermore, the lineage of, "horses," you've shown there accompanied by your explanation shows your clear lack of understanding of evolutionary principles. "you see how many years apart each of these species were. well technically they are the same species, they had just evolved."

They are NOT, in fact, the same species. Hence, the differring species names listed in the figure.

Humans will not evolve much most likely. We might get a little smarter and more attractive, but that's it, because we change our environement to meet our needs, which means there will be no driving force for the species to change to meet the needs created by the environment. Sexual selection might drive us to be more intelligent and attractive though. Other than that the only way we can evolve any more than we already have is through technology which scares the hell out of me.

I'm all for embryo selection, or semen selection, or egg selection, to screen out genetic diseases, or even stupidity, but that's as far as I want things to go. No cloning, no made to order defects, and no intentionally creating sci-fi freaks of nature.

 

[Spider-Bite]

that's just the theory of evolution... it doesn't prove it's existence.

it's existence and process are proven. We just haven't proven that all life on earth originated from the process of evolution. It is proven that if the conditions for evolution to occur are present, then life will evolve. And it's proven that the conditions on earth were right for evolution to occur.

It's still possible that life did not come into existence from evolution, it's just extremely unlikely.

 

[Carcharodon]

it's existence and process are proven. We just haven't proven that all life on earth originated from the process of evolution. It is proven that if the conditions for evolution to occur are present, then life will evolve. And it's proven that the conditions on earth were right for evolution to occur.

It's still possible that life did not come into existence from evolution, it's just extremely unlikely.

If it were proven to be true, it would be known universally as the Law of Evolution.

Learn scientific terminology before jumping into this kind of debate, people.

 

[Carcharodon]

Evoultion is fact,its the progession of one species over time..influenced by its enviroment,climate or bodily changes to better help it surive.

I reiterate: learn scientific terminology before jumping in.

 

[GarudA]

http://www.talkorigins.org

Question I thought evolution was just a theory. Why do you call it a fact?

Answer Biological evolution is a change in the genetic characteristics of a population over time. That this happens is a fact. Biological evolution also refers to the common descent of living organisms from shared ancestors. The evidence for historical evolution -- genetic, fossil, anatomical, etc. -- is so overwhelming that it is also considered a fact. The theory of evolution describes the mechanisms that cause evolution. So evolution is both a fact and a theory. See the Evolution is a Fact and a Theory FAQ, the Introduction to Evolutionary Biology FAQ and the Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution FAQ: Evolution is Only a theory.

 

[Carcharodon]

http://www.talkorigins.org

Question I thought evolution was just a theory. Why do you call it a fact?

Answer Biological evolution is a change in the genetic characteristics of a population over time. That this happens is a fact. Biological evolution also refers to the common descent of living organisms from shared ancestors. The evidence for historical evolution -- genetic, fossil, anatomical, etc. -- is so overwhelming that it is also considered a fact. The theory of evolution describes the mechanisms that cause evolution. So evolution is both a fact and a theory. See the Evolution is a Fact and a Theory FAQ, the Introduction to Evolutionary Biology FAQ and the Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution FAQ: Evolution is Only a theory.

Pay close attention to what is said here.

The EVIDENCE and PROCESSES of evolution are fact. EVOLUTION as a process in its entirety is THEORY.

Game over.

 

[GarudA]

Pay close attention to what is said here.

The EVIDENCE and PROCESSES of evolution are fact. EVOLUTION as a process in its entirety is THEORY.

Game over.

Read the rest from the links

"Evolution is only a theory; it hasn't been proved."

First, we should clarify what "evolution" means. Like so many other words, it has more than one meaning. Its strict biological definition is "a change in allele frequencies over time." By that definition, evolution is an indisputable fact. Most people seem to associate the word "evolution" mainly with common descent, the theory that all life arose from one common ancestor. Many people believe that there is enough evidence to call this a fact, too. However, common descent is still not the theory of evolution, but just a fraction of it (and a part of several quite different theories as well). The theory of evolution not only says that life evolved, it also includes mechanisms, like mutations, natural selection, and genetic drift, which go a long way towards explaining how life evolved.

Calling the theory of evolution "only a theory" is, strictly speaking, true, but the idea it tries to convey is completely wrong. The argument rests on a confusion between what "theory" means in informal usage and in a scientific context. A theory, in the scientific sense, is "a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena" [Random House American College Dictionary]. The term does not imply tentativeness or lack of certainty. Generally speaking, scientific theories differ from scientific laws only in that laws can be expressed more tersely. Being a theory implies self-consistency, agreement with observations, and usefulness. (Creationism fails to be a theory mainly because of the last point; it makes few or no specific claims about what we would expect to find, so it can't be used for anything. When it does make falsifiable predictions, they prove to be false.)

Lack of proof isn't a weakness, either. On the contrary, claiming infallibility for one's conclusions is a sign of hubris. Nothing in the real world has ever been rigorously proved, or ever will be. Proof, in the mathematical sense, is possible only if you have the luxury of defining the universe you're operating in. In the real world, we must deal with levels of certainty based on observed evidence. The more and better evidence we have for something, the more certainty we assign to it; when there is enough evidence, we label the something a fact, even though it still isn't 100% certain.

What evolution has is what any good scientific claim has--evidence, and lots of it. Evolution is supported by a wide range of observations throughout the fields of genetics, anatomy, ecology, animal behavior, paleontology, and others. If you wish to challenge the theory of evolution, you must address that evidence. You must show that the evidence is either wrong or irrelevant or that it fits another theory better. Of course, to do this, you must know both the theory and the evidence.

 

[GarudA]

Pay close attention to what is said here.

The EVIDENCE and PROCESSES of evolution are fact. EVOLUTION as a process in its entirety is THEORY.

Game over.

Also Gravity is also a Theory.

 

[Carcharodon]

Read the rest from the links

You might do well to go read my previous posts, GarudA.

That's what I've been trying to say all a-freaking-long.

The Scientific Definition DOES NOT EQUAL the laymen, common definition of theory.

 

[Carcharodon]

Also Gravity is also a Theory.

Actually, it's a Law.

You seem to be confused as to my standing on the issue.

 

[GarudA]

You might do well to go read my previous posts, GarudA.

That's what I've been trying to say all a-freaking-long.

The Scientific Definition DOES NOT EQUAL the laymen, common definition of theory.

I Assumed you were a creationist.

 

[Kritish]

What about zebras?

I still say if we came from monkeys, I dont see why there are other different species of humans just like every other species on this planet.

There are different breeds of humans, Black people, whites Asians ect...

 

[Carcharodon]

I Assumed you were a creationist.

Not at all...I'm a firm proponent of evolution.

The evidence is (almost) all there. It is the best scientific theory out there regarding the generation, origin and progression of species, and not one credible argument has every truly been made against it.

It is, however, still a theory. Until it is recognized as a Law, our hands are tied.

 

[GarudA]

There are different breeds of humans, Black people, whites Asians ect...

He should also know about the Neantherdal's that were believed to have been around just over 40,000 years ago same time as Humans. Some people believe Home-Sapiens wiped them out, not very hard to believe

 

[Ice-man]

hey i did however state that there are many theorys to evolution, and that some have been proven fact.

and the thing with those horses, it does NOT matter what there names are, they are still a cousin to the horse species. they are the early horses. hell i wached a dinosaur show last night for 4 hours, our whales distan cousin walked on land, our birds were 6 foot tall carnivorus death machines.

they EVOLVED!!


see it take millions of years to do, but evelution, i guess it can be theory as well as fact.

 

[Sandman138]

If it were proven to be true, it would be known universally as the Law of Evolution.

Learn scientific terminology before jumping into this kind of debate, people.

Gravitation is a theory as well, but I don't see many people disputing its existence. A scientific theory is not equal to the conventional understanding of a theory.

 

[Spider-Bite]

If it were proven to be true, it would be known universally as the Law of Evolution.

Learn scientific terminology before jumping into this kind of debate, people.

The process of natural selection is a proven process. Every time somebody is born, and somebody dies, that is natural selection happening right there.

The primordial soup has been tested and confirmed in laboratories many, many times. It's proven.

 

[Sandman138]

Actually, it's a Law.

You seem to be confused as to my standing on the issue.

The law is F=G(m1m2/r2)

The theory is why this occurs.

 

[Ice-man]

ah at last, people who agree that evolution is fact.


see i belive its fact, wile some belive its theory. u guess theres no sure way to tell. unless i find some info online.

 

[raybia]

Let me rephrase: Adaptation is a fact, no one questions that species change in response to their environment, but Darwin's "Theory of Evolution" is called a "THEORY" for a reason. I might add that "The Missing Link" is called "MISSING" for a reason as well....I highly doubt an ape woke up one morning and said, "Hey, I think I want a different number of chromosomes today, just to feel fresh."

I agree.

If we evolved from apes why do we still have apes?

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

• Why do men have nipples?

That's all part of Jesus' beautiful plan for our lives, champ.

 

[Fran]

I have nipples, Wilhelm. Could you milk me?