Discussion: Gay Rights XVI - Part 4

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Why do these morons compare people to Jesus? I'm pretty sure they aren't being crucified and aren't the son of God.

If anything they should be comparing themselves to Job who got dicked around by God and Satan for a while.
 
They think because they are being "persecuted" for their beliefs that they are like Jesus. These hicks dont seem to realize that she isnt being persecuted for her beliefs. She is being persecuted for being insubordinate on the job and to her bosses, and she is in jail for defying a court order. She would be in jail for defying any court order regardless of what it pertained to. Her beliefs had **** all to do with it. She gave the law and a court order the finger and a judge threw her ass in jail for it. Its that simple.
 
This isnt going to go over well with some and is going to give weight to the BS about their being a war on Christianity. The fact that she is a public servant and required to do her job regardless of personal feelings and beliefs will be entirely lost on a lot of people. And I can only imagine the horse**** Fox News will say about this.

Must be tough for republicans to choose what story they like better

Christians being persecuted vs Big Government employees are useless
 
Must be tough for republicans to choose what story they like better

Christians being persecuted vs Government employees are useless

You forgot the War on Christmas. Thats their personal favorite. Its also like the other two things completely nonexistent. It only exists in the minds of some whiny spoiled Christians who think becauae the world doesnt revolve around them every December for the whole month that they and their holiday is being persecuted.
 
I read this on huffpost and thought Id share:

An Open Letter To My Future Parents In-Law Who Won't Attend Our Wedding



Id like to know how the in-laws responded or if they didnt respond.

Is their an update for this? This had more tension and drama than F4.
 
Honestly, even if you think homosexuality is a sin, and that gay marriage will bring on the wrath of God... someone who has been divorced three times really shouldn't be dictating who should be allowed to marry.
 
The worst thing about this isn't that a woman has religious objections to doing certain things, but that she's monopolizing this position that serves everyone in that county, not just God-fearing Christians. Why couldn't she have stepped aside and let someone else marry gay couples before she was arrested?
 
The worst thing about this isn't that a woman has religious objections to doing certain things, but that she's monopolizing this position that serves everyone in that county, not just God-fearing Christians. Why couldn't she have stepped aside and let someone else marry gay couples before she was arrested?

Cause she's a warrior for the Lord thy God!:o

Found this on huffpost:

No, Kim Davis Is Not Martin Luther King, Jr.

Paul Brandeis Raushenbush said:
Kim Davis is going to jail, which is a good thing for everyone. It's good for Davis, because she was caught between her "sincerely held belief" that same-gender couples could not be married and her job in Kentucky where she was required to issue marriage licenses to gay and lesbian couples on account of the recent change in the nation's laws. It's also good for gay couples who wish to be married and yet had to endure immense humiliation by someone whose salary they help to pay.

While the best solution would have been for her to quit once she understood herself to be no longer capable of fulfilling her duties, her jail sentence does, at least, remove her from blocking the rights of her fellow citizens to marriage and all of its privileges and responsibilities.

Now, I have a certain amount of empathy for Ms. Davis. I understand the desire to go against the law of the land when you feel it violates your faith and your God. For example, I was glad when Bree Newsome broke the law and lowered the Confederate flag while quoting the Bible, saying: "The Lord is my light - Whom shall I fear?"

Many people engage in civil disobedience in the name of religion. Most famously, Martin Luther King, Jr. went to jail for his non-violent resistance in Birmingham, where he wrote his "Letter From Birmingham Jail."

However, Kim Davis is no Martin Luther King, Jr.

Let me say that again.

Kim Davis is no Martin Luther King, Jr.

You may think that is obvious, but Kim Davis has already become a symbol for what is euphemistically called "Freedom of Religion," which unfortunately in recent months has just become code for anti-LGBT bigotry.

The first obvious difference between King and Davis is that Davis was a government employee who was paid by taxpayers to do a job that included issuing marriage licenses. While conscientious objection is protected in America, such as pacifists opting out of military duty, it does not mean that people entrusted by the American people to enforce the laws of the land can "opt out."

As Jonathan H. Adler wrote in the Washington Post:

Jonathan H. Adler said:
Someone who objects to war due to his religious conscience has a right to be a conscientious objector and not serve in the military, even were there to be a draft. But he does not have the right to serve as a military officer, draw a paycheck from the military and then substitute his own personal views of when war is justified for that of the government.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...censes-to-same-sex-couples-or-find-a-new-job/

The same applies here.

Personally, while it would be edifying, I'm pretty sure that it would be unfair of me, as a Christian who believes in strict gun control, to occupy an influential position in the office that handed out gun licenses and then simply refuse to hand out any licenses stating my sincere religious beliefs. It technically makes me unsuitable for the job.

Just as Kim Davis' beliefs make her unsuitable.

But even more pressing than the legal dissimilarities are the religious ones. America's history is littered with religious people, with the deep conviction that they are acting under the authority of God, promoting ideas that in retrospect seem impossibly oppressive. Ironically, the treatment of women comes to mind, with ridiculous ideas about what women can and cannot do including having their own bank accounts, voting and divorce (of which Davis herself has had three). But of course the most horrific was slavery and later Jim Crow. Harry Stout at Yale explained how the "authority of God" had deadly consequences in the lead up to the Civil War:

Harry Stout said:
If you pull the church out of the whole equation, it's highly likely that there never would have been a Civil War. Southern clergy had no doubt that slavery was not a sin.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7638676

Clearly religious conscience and authority of God in itself are never enough and have been used to devastating effect in America and around the world. There has to be another test and Martin Luther King offered the most concise example of that. His entire life's work was to make the world more equal, more just, and to extend Jesus' vision of the Kingdom of God to all people. He was guided by a deeply spiritual conviction of love that transformed many hearts and he is the highest example of a Christian that America has produced.

Kim Davis is going to jail for precisely the opposite reason. Instead of striving for a more inclusive world, she is going to jail in her desire to exclude. Instead of seeking justice for all, she was the obstacle to justice for gay couples. Instead of showing God's love for all, she is stingy in her understanding of love. Her actions, although she claims they are guided by God and love, have bruised and hurt the very people she was elected to serve. Here's a simple guide: If your love feels like hate then it is not love. If you are using God to denigrate and humiliate then it is not God.

Kim Davis has joined the many Americans over history whose religion at the time seemed fervent and real but in hindsight was warped by bigotry and oppression. Perhaps she will wake up before it is too late. Rep. John Lewis once told me about being so moved when a white man who had been part of a mob that beat him and a white friend who dared to use the 'whites only' waiting room came back years later to apologize for what he had done and for the thoughts that guided him.

Hopefully, before she dies Davis will have the opportunity to repent and apologize to the gay couples she hurt. I pray that when Kim Davis does have her "heaven or hell" moment with God she likes to talk about, that she will be treated with more mercy than she offered to those who asked her to simply do her job.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8084636
 
People are such idiots. Trans issues are such a new frontier to so many people. It's funny (but not really) how people used to make fun of gay people right in front of me and then they realised that's wrong but now they make similar jokes about trans people. They may as well get on board now rather than be the baddies of the next civil rights movement.

I've only ever met a few trans people but they've all been exceptionally kind and nice. Definitely not rapists and definitely not ok to be body searched by creepyoids.
 
People are such idiots. Trans issues are such a new frontier to so many people. It's funny (but not really) how people used to make fun of gay people right in front of me and then they realised that's wrong but now they make similar jokes about trans people. They may as well get on board now rather than be the baddies of the next civil rights movement.

I've only ever met a few trans people but they've all been exceptionally kind and nice. Definitely not rapists and definitely not ok to be body searched by creepyoids.

people are like "it all depends on what you pee out of " i'm like......... what are youp people doing in bathrooms where you're all seeing each others bits?

it's all superficial... if you look more like a man then a female, they want you in the male restroom.. because you "wierd them out" if you're more feminine looking, they want you in the womans restroom.. its got nothing to do with covered up genitals.
 
Why do these morons compare people to Jesus? I'm pretty sure they aren't being crucified and aren't the son of God.

If anything they should be comparing themselves to Job who got dicked around by God and Satan for a while.
Isn't it against the religion to build up these people like this? False idol stuff.

I am so happy she is in jail. Always talking about how the law protect their right to religion, while ignoring the law in so many other situations, including his one.
 
I don't feel bad about her being locked up either because she knew the consequences of her actions. Rot in jail *****.
 
I don't feel bad about her being locked up either because she knew the consequences of her actions. Rot in jail *****.
The hypocrisy is so strong with this one. She believes in what the Bible says about marriage. Which is why I am sure she refused to marry divorced people in the past. Along with her three divorces.
 
Isn't it against the religion to build up these people like this? False idol stuff.

I am so happy she is in jail. Always talking about how the law protect their right to religion, while ignoring the law in so many other situations, including his one.

It depends how far they take it. As long as she isn't being worshipped above God or Jesus or the Holy Spirit it isn't wrong. Martyrdom and following Christ's example and suffering in the name of Christ for God has always been something seen as highly honorable in Christianity. At one time suffering for one's belief and dying for those beliefs was viewed as the highest form of devotion a Christian could achieve and it was believed to be a fast track to heaven and in some cases sainthood. But these people can't be worshipped. Veneration is fine. But not worship.


But this woman isn't suffering for God or being martyred. She is "suffering" because of her own stupidity for herself. She isn't worthy of veneration or being compared to Christ.
 
Kim Davis Won't Resign, Plans to Appeal Contempt Ruling

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Kim Davis, the Kentucky county clerk who refuses to grant marriage licenses to same-sex couples, will appeal the contempt of court ruling that put her in jail, her attorney said Friday. Davis has been locked up since Thursday, and her deputies have been granting long-awaited licenses to gay couples in her absence.

Davis’ lawyer Mat Staver—founder of the Christian, stridently anti-gay law firm Liberty Counsel—said Davis has no intention of resigning or of granting any same-sex couple a license. He promised to appeal her contempt ruling by the end of the day.

Staver claimed that even though the marriage licenses issued while Davis is in jail don’t have her name on them, they “aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on” and are void without her authority.

Critics of Staver, a former pastor and Liberty University law school dean, claim he’s a zealot who may have thrown his client under the bus by failing to inform her she doesn’t actually have a case.

Right now, Davis is slated to remain in jail for at least six more days while her deputies carry out their duties as the law requires. Staver says she’s already started Bible study “by herself.”

Staver compared his client, without apparent irony, to “people who today we admire, like Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Jan Huss, John Bunyan, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, and more.”

http://gawker.com/kim-davis-wont-resign-plans-to-appeal-contempt-ruling-1728812528

How delusional is her lawyer?
 
Martin Luther King would be absolutely disgusted by this woman and what she tried to do, which goes against everything he preached, fought, and ultimately died for.

I mean, I don't agree with Kim Davis at all and she deserves to be in jail for not executing the law but uh...I wouldn't go that far. MLK Jr. practically told someone to pray the gay away in a column for Ebony Magazine. Honestly, we don't know what Dr. King or Rosa Parks would feel on the issue.

(CNN)– Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. was writing an advice column in 1958 for Ebony magazine when he received an unusual letter.

“I am a boy,” an anonymous writer told King. “But I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don't want my parents to know about me. What can I do?”

In calm, pastoral tones, King told the boy that his problem wasn’t uncommon, but required “careful attention.”

“The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired,” King wrote. “You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve it.”
 
Yeah, most people were ambivalent or anti-gay prior to... 2007?

Certainly pre-21st century. Though some came around.

Still, this woman really ****ed with the wrong judge. I don't know if the judge is super pro-gay, or pissed that someone is defying his authority, but Davis done ****ed up. That judge wants to throw the book at her.
 
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