Discussion: Relations with Russia

[blueharvest]

Russia adds 'LGBT movement' to list of extremist and terrorist organisations

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www.reuters.com

What about the actual terrorists that killed over 100 people a few days ago? Are they on the list, too?

 

[DA_Champion]

So much death just because of Greed, religious extremism...its tragic.
If ISIS wouldnt have come forward this fast with the attack, you can bet Putin would have tried to blame Ukraine on it.

Curiously enough, ISIS predominantly attacks adversaries of the USA (Iran, Syria, allegedly Russia). They've only once attacked Israel, which they then apologized to Israel for.

The conclusions are pretty obvious.

What about the actual terrorists that killed over 100 people a few days ago? Are they on the list, too?

When I last checked Russia had apprehended 11, I think it was 11, of them already. Some were fleeing to the Ukrainian border. More information should be available soon.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

That implication is Elon Musk level of nonsense.

Islamic State - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[DA_Champion]

That implication is Elon Musk level of nonsense.

Islamic State - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

These sorts of federal conspiracies are often denied for a long time.

For example, it's now accepted that the USA toppled the Iranian democratic government in 1953, the Chilean democratic government in 1973, flooded the African American community with drugs in the 80s and 90s to destabilize and undermine it, and lied about Saddam's "weapons of mass destruction" in 2002/2003.

These were all once dismissed as "nonsense".

Eventually, many people shift their perspective, myself among them.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

ISIS Branch Blamed in Moscow Attack Has Hit at Taliban’s Russia Links

Islamic State Khorasan, or ISIS-K, previously attacked Russia’s embassy in Kabul and has produced floods of anti-Kremlin propaganda.

www.nytimes.com

What is ISIS-K, the group that claims it carried out the Moscow concert attack?​

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www.npr.org

How Ukraine war distracted Moscow from Isis-K threat

Russia’s security services have shifted focus away from Islamist terror

www.ft.com

 

[DA_Champion]

ISIS Branch Blamed in Moscow Attack Has Hit at Taliban’s Russia Links

Islamic State Khorasan, or ISIS-K, previously attacked Russia’s embassy in Kabul and has produced floods of anti-Kremlin propaganda.

www.nytimes.com

What is ISIS-K, the group that claims it carried out the Moscow concert attack?​

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www.npr.org

How Ukraine war distracted Moscow from Isis-K threat

Russia’s security services have shifted focus away from Islamist terror

www.ft.com

Those are Western sources, they support the Washington narrative.

Here's an analysis from an independent media organization based in West Asia, written by an Iraqi correspondent. It comes to the conclusion that ISIS

Reviving ISIS: A US weapon against the Resistance Axis

Is it a coincidence that the world's foremost terror organization is being revived just as the US struggles under a multi-front assault on its hegemony in West Asia? More curiously, both ISIS and Washington's targets are exactly the same.

thecradle.co

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

If you want to find out more I encourage you to read media from non-Western sources.

I looked up NATO conflicts. They mostly go up against dictators, terrorists and the Taliban for the last 20+ years.

There's no logical reason to oppose them unless you belong to one of those three groups.

 

[blueharvest]

Naftogaz: Energy facilities in western Ukraine suffer damage during Russia's overnight attack

A number of energy facilities in western Ukraine had suffered damage during Russia's major overnight strike targeting critical infrastructure, state oil and gas monopoly's CEO Oleksiy Chernyshov said on March 24.

kyivindependent.com

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Strong possibility Russia will veto resolution on North Korea sanctions, UN diplomat says​

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Canadian Idiots Who Fled To Russia Because Of 'Woke' Now Getting Kicked Out Of Russia, Because Russia

They did not do the research.

www.wonkette.com

 

[DA_Champion]

I looked up NATO conflicts. They mostly go up against dictators, terrorists and the Taliban for the last 20+ years.

There's no logical reason to oppose them unless you belong to one of those three groups.

The intervention in Afghanistan, for one, was a colossal failure. They didn't merely "fight the Taliban", which is an Israeli-style talking point, they undermined the country, bombed weddings, etc. The Taliban is now in charge there. 200,000 dead, and $2 trillion out the toilet.

You might be referring to the genocide of Libya as "fighting dictators" since Colonel Ghaddafi was there. Libya has since lost close to half a million lives. The civil war there is ongoing. Every Libyan I've spoken to has decried the NATO-led assault on the country. Even Obama has referred to Libya as the greatest mistake of his Presidency.

You might also be referring to Syria, which again involves some NATO countries. They've lost 300,000 lives, and they're stealing Syrian oil.

Here's an article (one of many) from Tarik Cyril Amar, he's German-Palestinian and is a historian living in Turkiye.

How NATO Brainwashes Western Society with its Anti-Russia Wargames

Steadfast Defender 2024, the bloc’s largest exercise in decades, is not only about military cohesion – it’s about selling war to the people

tarikcyrilamar.substack.com

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The intervention in Afghanistan, for one, was a colossal failure. They didn't merely "fight the Taliban", which is an Israeli-style talking point, they undermined the country, bombed weddings, etc. The Taliban is now in charge there. 200,000 dead, and $2 trillion out the toilet.

You might be referring to the genocide of Libya as "fighting dictators" since Colonel Ghaddafi was there. Libya has since lost close to half a million lives. The civil war there is ongoing. Every Libyan I've spoken to has decried the NATO-led assault on the country. Even Obama has referred to Libya as the greatest mistake of his Presidency.

You might also be referring to Syria, which again involves some NATO countries. They've lost 300,000 lives, and they're stealing Syrian oil.

Here's an article (one of many) from Tarik Cyril Amar, he's German-Palestinian and is a historian living in Turkiye.

How NATO Brainwashes Western Society with its Anti-Russia Wargames

Steadfast Defender 2024, the bloc’s largest exercise in decades, is not only about military cohesion – it’s about selling war to the people

tarikcyrilamar.substack.com

NATO generally protect democratic institutions globally from tyrants. You can't achieve that always with diplomacy.

Looking at the conflicts since 2001 it's clear that NATO opposed tyranny. Putin is obviously no exception and HIS narrative is that NATO is evil and he's the victim or good guy.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I do agree with Obama that overthrowing and assassinating Gaddafi was the worst act of his presidency.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Obama was talking about the aftermath in Libya.

March 2011: UN Security Council authorises a no-fly zone over Libya and air strikes to protect civilians

Chris Wallace: Worst mistake?
Obama: Probably failing to plan for the day after, what I think was the right thing to do, in intervening in Libya.

“It is not the first time President Obama has expressed regret over Libya. He told the Atlantic magazine last month the operation went as well as he had hoped, but Libya was now ‘a mess’.”

Taking down brutal dictators who kill their own citizens is usually the easier part than what happens afterwards.

 

[InCali]

NATO generally protect democratic institutions globally from tyrants. You can't achieve that always with diplomacy.

Looking at the conflicts since 2001 it's clear that NATO opposed tyranny. Putin is obviously no exception and HIS narrative is that NATO is evil and he's the victim or good guy.

I don't have stats on this, but I can recall NATO resolutions getting vetoed for a variety of reasons. Sometimes a country thinks they go too far and want to introduce a scaled back version.

 

[DA_Champion]

Obama was talking about the aftermath in Libya.

The aftermath was inevitable given the action.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Winning the war is one thing. Winning the peace is something else.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Moscow concert hall attack: death toll raised to 137 as White House says Ukraine had ‘no involvement whatsoever’– as it happened

Russians lay flowers and light candles outside Crocus concert hall on day of mourning

www.theguardian.com

ISIS attacked the U.S. evacuation from Afghanistan.

2021 Kabul airport attack - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[squeekness]

Winning the war is one thing. Winning the peace is something else.

Been like that in too many wars now.

 

[blueharvest]

Ukraine war latest: Ukraine confirms striking 2 large Russian landing ships; Russia launches major attack on energy system

Key developments on March 24: * Ukraine confirms striking 2 large Russian landing ships in occupied Crimea * Russia launches major attack across Ukraine targeting critical infrastructure * ISW: Russia makes limited advances along eastern front * Ministry: Situation at Zaporizhzhia's Dnipro...

kyivindependent.com

 

[:eek:]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/france-raises-terror-alert-warning-highest-level-2024-03-24/

 

[blueharvest]

Ukraine aid back on US agenda – but still at mercy of unruly Republicans

Speaker Mike Johnson averted government shutdown but faces far-right threat of removal over $60bn national security package

www.theguardian.com

 

[InCali]

Ukraine aid back on US agenda – but still at mercy of unruly Republicans

Speaker Mike Johnson averted government shutdown but faces far-right threat of removal over $60bn national security package

www.theguardian.com

I tell him to put the senate bill on the floor for a vote and I won't let him lose his job. Take it or leave it.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Russian intelligence controls warlord's disinformation empire with AI

The infamous Russian disinformation troll factory founded by Russian mercenary leader Yevgeny Prigozhin was thought to shut down after his death, but Scripps News has learned his sprawling disinformation empire never stopped and Artificial Intelligence is amplifying its reach.

scrippsnews.com

 

[blueharvest]

Ukraine aid in limbo as Congress begins two-week recess

Speaker Mike Johnson is expected to turn the House's attention to addressing supplemental funding for U.S. allies, including Ukraine, when the chamber returns. But the path forward for the speaker is treacherous.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[blueharvest]