🇺🇸 Discussion: The DEMOCRATIC P - Part 3

[Schlosser85]

As much disdain as I have for Smollett, Trump has nothing to say.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

The show biz meets the political climate angle of the Smollett story makes it catnip for the media but in the grand scheme it's a blip.

Again... What seems really important? An actor making a false claim for bizarre reasons who is going to face some kind of punishment for his actions or that there was a military officer who was motivated by his Right Wing White Nationalist beliefs to go on a murder spree against elected officials and the media? The precise people the president has at one time or another labeled as traitors or enemies of the nation?

Can anyone in all honesty say the Smollett case is more important to the nation? One is about an idiot actor who thought he could get away with a false criminal incident. The other shows that there is a possibility that officers in our military may be more prone to being radicalized by White Nationalist ideology to the point of conducting a series of assassinations.


If someone thinks the Smollett case is more important well I can't take any opinion you have about politics or terrorism or the safety of our public and democracy seriously.

 

[chaseter]

The Dems who voted against the bill to protect babies born after botched abortions, which does happen, but is rare, are disgusting human beings. Anyone that supports allowing a baby to cry and die on an OR table is a disgusting human being.

 

[Sithborg]

I am going to say that the medical realities of what you are describing are much, much more complicated than you imply. Much like late term abortions. At that point, that is an operation to save the mothers life, not an elective procedure. This isn't a c-section. What a doctor can do is already extremely limited. And there are medical rules of ethics about that.

Not that you care.

 

[Donner]

Spare me, chaseter.

‘Executing Babies’: Here Are the Facts Behind Trump’s Misleading Abortion Tweet

 

[MaceB]

The Dems who voted against the bill to protect babies born after botched abortions, which does happen, but is rare, are disgusting human beings. Anyone that supports allowing a baby to cry and die on an OR table is a disgusting human being.

There's already laws on the books for this stuff. This was a political ploy to gin up the conservative base.

They're playing you guys.. and they know just the issues that do it. Abortion. Guns. Immigrants.

 

[Zarex]

It's Twue, Wight Wing Wepubwicans Wuv Widdle Pwebown Babies!!!

(But not so much after they are born. Or poor. Or Muslim. Or from Latin America. Or suffering from a serious medical condition)

 

[Aximili86]

Much like late term abortions. At that point, that is an operation to save the mothers life, not an elective procedure.

Should be. This new law was proposing bringing mental health into it, and wouldn't specify the necessary severity in order to go forth with a very-late-term abortion. Where do you draw the line on that, anxiety, intense stress? At a certain point it gets crazy, even by most people who support abortion's standards.

If you're going to abort a baby late in the third trimester, it damn well better be more serious than emotional stress and intense cold feed over the whole situation. "Mother's gonna die" or declined. People love to forget we're way more liberal than most of the world on this stuff as it is, majority of Europe won't allow half of this ****.

 

[Sithborg]

You know who I would trust with that decision? The medical professionals. And mental health does have physical effects on the body.

 

[Donner]

Anyone who actually thinks that a woman would walk into a doctor's office at 9 months pregnant wanting an abortion just because is an idiot. A true idiot. And likely someone that has never met a pregnant woman (or maybe any woman) in their life.

No one would put their body through 9 months of hell just to say "nah, **** it" at the finish line.

 

[MaceB]

We need to be more carrot and less stick in this situation. If a woman doesn't want to have a child that she is carrying, then let's incentivize adoptions. Assure these women that they won't be on the hook for this child - that we'll find an adoptive family quickly, and that we'll pay for the expenses incurred.

Now, if her life is in danger due to medical reasons, that's another story.

 

[Marvolo]

Anyone who actually thinks that a woman would walk into a doctor's office at 9 months pregnant wanting an abortion just because is an idiot. A true idiot. And likely someone that has never met a pregnant woman (or maybe any woman) in their life.

No one would put their body through 9 months of hell just to say "nah, **** it" at the finish line.

And a person would have to be ignorant of the psychological effects of an abortion to think that. Unless the mother is a complete sociopath losing the baby is going to weigh on her. Even if she didnt want the baby and wanted an abortion it's still going to weigh on the average woman. And the longer shes carried the fetus the harder it is after the abortion, because shes gotten used to the movement of the fetus and the weight of the fetus and the hormones effecting her body etc. To suddenly lose that especially in the third trimester...well it's a shock to the system.

Postpartum depression needs to be a part of the discussion about abortion. People acknowledge postpartum as a real risk of every pregnancy. Yet people act like abortions are done on lunch breaks and the woman goes right back to work without a second thought. A woman that aborts a baby can go through postpartum and unlike a new mother they dont have a newborn baby to make them feel better. Instead they just have a hollowness and a sadness.

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

 

[Teelie]

That loopy logic also ignores that whenever possible doctors try to save the fetus or baby rather than just perform an abortion.

 

[squeekness]

We need to be more carrot and less stick in this situation. If a woman doesn't want to have a child that she is carrying, then let's incentivize adoptions. Assure these women that they won't be on the hook for this child - that we'll find an adoptive family quickly, and that we'll pay for the expenses incurred.

Now, if her life is in danger due to medical reasons, that's another story.

I can see how this could help.

 

[samsnee]

Not sure how I feel about this. Yes, it would be nice if Democrats voted as a bloc like Republicans always seem to do, even the "moderates" like Collins and Murkowski. But at the same time, a lot of freshman Democrats won in swing districts, not liberal enclaves like AOC.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...ec8ed509d15_story.html?utm_term=.f45ba5f89c4e

House Democrats explode in recriminations as liberals lash out at moderates

House Democrats exploded in recriminations Thursday over moderates bucking the party, with liberal Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez threatening to put those voting with Republicans “on a list” for a primary challenge.

In a closed-door session, a frustrated Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) lashed out at about two dozen moderates and pressured them to get on board. “We are either a team or we’re not, and we have to make that decision,” Pelosi said, according to two people present but not authorized to discuss the remarks publicly.

But Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), the unquestioned media superstar of the freshman class, upped the ante, admonishing the moderates and indicating she would help liberal activists unseat them in the 2020 election.

Corbin Trent, a spokesman for Ocasio-Cortez, said she told her colleagues that Democrats who side with Republicans “are putting themselves on a list.”

“She said that when activists ask her why she had to vote for a gun safety bill that also further empowers an agency that forcibly injects kids with psychotropic drugs, they’re going to want a list of names and she’s going to give it to them,” Trent said, referring to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

 

[Teelie]

I do hate the party before country mentality but in this case it isn't that. Being too moderate, too giving to the Republicans who are the party of No, the party of incompetence, to corruption, to Trump, where does it end? Where are they willing to compromise? If the Republicans are going to pull this no-compromise crap then the Democrats shouldn't compromise at all until the Republicans give in and start making deals, not holding the country hostage and acting like petulant children.

 

[2kt09]

Not sure how I feel about this. Yes, it would be nice if Democrats voted as a bloc like Republicans always seem to do, even the "moderates" like Collins and Murkowski. But at the same time, a lot of freshman Democrats won in swing districts, not liberal enclaves like AOC.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...ec8ed509d15_story.html?utm_term=.f45ba5f89c4e

House Democrats explode in recriminations as liberals lash out at moderates

A significant number of freshmen Democrats also happen to be part of a bloc, notably the ones who get major media coverage.
Justice Democrats - Wikipedia <- how to join? answer the "want ad"

Fingers crossed for those Freshmen to take over just to see the circus explode because apparently the best way to beat the perceived ignorant incompetent opposition is greater ignorance and incompetence.

 

[Zarex]

Fingers crossed for those Freshmen to take over just to see the circus explode because apparently the best way to beat the perceived ignorant incompetent opposition is greater ignorance and incompetence.

I don't see anyone suggesting that Trump Republicans are incompetent. They are quite skilled at being awful.

 

[Sithborg]

No, they are incompetent at achieving their awful goals.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Lets see... There are about a dozen members of AOC's group. But pre-2018 midterms there were three times as many members in the GOP Freedom Caucus.

Yeah... When they reach numbers that can reliably scuttle any compromise lets talk about how the Dems militant wing is exactly like the GOP'S has been.

 

[2kt09]

Beto 'Bama and Hillary Harris

Lets see... There are about a dozen members of AOC's group. But pre-2018 midterms there were three times as many members in the GOP Freedom Caucus.

Yeah... When they reach numbers that can reliably scuttle any compromise lets talk about how the Dems militant wing is exactly like the GOP'S has been.

The point being these guys are somehow driving the major backed candidates, shaping their policies in a likely effort to evoke "how do you do fellow kids"

 

[Sithborg]

I mean, it really is just the continued effect of Bernie. He really did start the shift leftwards. And so far, the progressive wing doesn't seem to be falling out of Pelosi's control. Frankly, I would think those rumors were started by GOP operatives.

 

[moviedoors]

Joe Biden responds to critics after calling Pence a 'decent guy' - CNNPolitics

Blegh

 

[MaceB]

I think most people know that I'm a Biden supporter. But I have been really disappointed in how it's been going so far. He's the frontrunner - he should have gotten in the race first, IMO. And this gaff... while I don't think there's anything super wrong with it (he's just being a gentleman), does pose some serious problems. It's looking more and more like it's just not his time. He missed his shot.