🇺🇸 Discussion: The DEMOCRATIC P - Part 3

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Really, because where is the mandatory sponsored trips put up by other groups? I mean, that Israel trip has to raise some concern, right?

I mean, they are attempting to make it illegal to boycott Israel. Which is blatantly unconstitutional.
 
If it's unconstitutional, it won't pass. They're welcome to try and fail, whatever.

The point is, you've got a newbie representative making comments that are pretty obviously playing into centuries-old bigoted tropes. It's hardly the first time she's done it, either, this is habit by now with her. I don't even think she should be forced out, but the point is she says this crap knowing she'll get away with it because her party doesn't like to call it out. Having issues with the situation over in Israel isn't grounds to start spewing the lightly-euphemised "covetous finance-sneaky Jew!" Cartman crap.

A little annoying Trump going after her for her fake apology though, like he's not guilty of that too. He's right though, she didn't mean a word of that. Trump's just the wrong guy to be pointing it out.
 
So, you can't criticize the lobbying group AIPAC?
 
Not while accusing them of "bribing" the US Congress, no.

Or, hell, criticize away. Just acknowledge you're throwing the type of language around that you'd verbally lynch any Republican for doing about any other group. It's not somehow okay because it's the Jews and you disagree with Israeli policy.
 
Don't see the very fine needle you have to weave in order to criticize AIPAC vs any other lobbying group? That the terms used may not necessarily come from an anti-semitic place?

I mean, accusing lobbyist of buying politicians is almost a bedrock of current Dem rhetoric.
 
Of course it doesn't necessarily come from an antisemitic place. Nobody's a mind-reader, we don't know what's going through her head.

Point is, the words play into antisemitic tropes. If you're going to run with these "trigger-word!", "dog-whistle!" parameters in other situations, this identity politics stuff you apply it evenly, even toward those you agree with. Jews "bribing" people and swaying governments/media/whatever else through financial means is a "trigger-word", a "dog-whistle", always has been, and most of society gets this. It's antisemitic language.

Intentions aren't even the thing here. She might hate Jews, she might not. Doesn't matter, she used language that's been implemented since the dawn of ****ing time to paint a tribe of people a certain negative way. She knows this, she's smart enough to not be ignorant of the connotations. She's done it before, she's going to do it again. It's a problem. She shouldn't be forced to resign over it, but a little genuine contrition and a commital to not doing it in future is warranted. Won't happen, because why would it? She can keep doing it and still survive, 'cause "Palestinians are the underdogs and therefore the Israelis are the ****ing Galactic Empire or whatever, anything goes".
 
I know it's not a Jewish thing. Believe me.. If I could get rid of all legalized bribery, I would. I think financial favors and other is exchanged in regard to our relationship with Israel. I'm not comfortable with the degree of power they have in our government.

I'm sorry if I offended you.. I didn't mean it. I don't think any culture should be above the law, and when it comes to Israel, there's a lot of giving, and I guess I'm not sure of the taking. What do they give us? I think a lot of what they give us is political.

I honestly don't think anything I said was coming from anti-Semitic place. I'm sorry if you took it that way. I have no problem with the people as a whole.. but I do question our status as allies with the State to a certain degree.
 
Uhm, who's referring to you? Omar saying it's the problem, not you.
 
So, isn't it interesting that Christians are rebuking Omar for her anti Semitic tweet, even though they believe that Jewish people are the key to a prophecy that begins the rapture, whisking all Christians up to heaven and casting Jews down to hell. They're pro-Israel because Israel needs to exist for the Jews to eventually die.
 
She apologized and the ones still obsessed with it are the ones least qualified to open their traps about it.
 
Wouldn't be enough based on Politifact. That article got $72 bil from the 70% over 10 mil. The Times gives a different number for a more inclusive pool than AOC's random brainfart. The top 1% is for making $400k+.

I'd like an administration that cuts spending rather than bail out, cut taxes, or spend more by creating more programs because both sides essentially address economic bankruptcy by postponing it. How much longer does that last?

No offense, but the American system is so filled with waste and there are so many easy ways to get rid of the waste, but vested interests are fighting to keep things the way they are.

Why does the US military get a blank check? The US spends more than the next 8 countries combined, why is that amount of money needed? Do you think there is no waste in the military?

Why do other western countries (like Canada and Western Europe) spend less of their GDP on health care then the US does?

Why does the US have the biggest prison population in the world? How much do you think it costs to maintain that prison population?

The problem is a lot of these systems (the military, the health care system, and the prison system) are corporate welfare schemes, they are designed to be wasteful so that private industries can profit off this waste.

So not only do you have to raise taxes on the rich, but you have cut off their corporate welfare as well, then you get the resources you need for other things.

You're missing the point on this. Look at the polls, Americans don't want universal single-payer. They say they're for coverage for all, but when the polls get specific into "so you're for doing away with the private industry and taking everyone public", it's a majority 'no' by quite a bit.

Also, places like Canada and Australia you can still buy private insurance if you want it. Not sure on the UK. That's different to what she & Harris have been talking about, doing away with the private system entirely. That's gonna lead to quality drops no matter which way you slice it.

And yet, these countries spend less GDP on their health care systems then the US does? Why is it?

Of course it doesn't necessarily come from an antisemitic place. Nobody's a mind-reader, we don't know what's going through her head.

Point is, the words play into antisemitic tropes. If you're going to run with these "trigger-word!", "dog-whistle!" parameters in other situations, this identity politics stuff you apply it evenly, even toward those you agree with. Jews "bribing" people and swaying governments/media/whatever else through financial means is a "trigger-word", a "dog-whistle", always has been, and most of society gets this. It's antisemitic language.

Intentions aren't even the thing here. She might hate Jews, she might not. Doesn't matter, she used language that's been implemented since the dawn of ****ing time to paint a tribe of people a certain negative way. She knows this, she's smart enough to not be ignorant of the connotations. She's done it before, she's going to do it again. It's a problem. She shouldn't be forced to resign over it, but a little genuine contrition and a commital to not doing it in future is warranted. Won't happen, because why would it? She can keep doing it and still survive, 'cause "Palestinians are the underdogs and therefore the Israelis are the ****ing Galactic Empire or whatever, anything goes".

Sounds like you are just being politically correct, saying you cannot criticize the US-Israel relationship without being accused of being anti-semantic. Stop trying to take away my freedom of speech!

Turn about works both ways. Conservatives talk about snowflakes, getting triggered, political correctness, but they will use these things as soon as they see an advantage to it. They will freak out over a football player kneeling and all their ''free speech fundamentalism'' goes out the window. They have no problem using ''political correctness'' to say any criticism of the US-Israel is anti-semantic, political correctness is only bad when they say its bad and its good when they say its good.

Your side drowns in hypocrisy and I do not think that is an accident, I think it serves a cynical political purpose.
 
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No offense, but the American system is so filled with waste and there are so many easy ways to get rid of the waste, but vested interests are fighting to keep things the way they are.

Why does the US military get a blank check? The US spends more than the next 8 countries combined, why is that amount of money needed? Do you think there is no waste in the military?

Why do other western countries (like Canada and Western Europe) spend less of their GDP on health care then the US does?

Why does the US have the biggest prison population in the world? How much do you think it costs to maintain that prison population?

The problem is a lot of these systems (the military, the health care system, and the prison system) are corporate welfare schemes, they are designed to be wasteful so that private industries can profit off this waste.

So not only do you have to raise taxes on the rich, but you have cut off their corporate welfare as well, then you get the resources you need for other things.

Still waiting regarding who's going to actually run on cutting welfare.
We apparently just hit the 22 trillion milestone.
 
Are you just ignore the other giant US expenditures I brought up? Why does the military always get a pass on this?

And which welfare programs are ''breaking the bank''?

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
...I was the one who said you should allocate the defense spending pages ago.
You said that's welfare among the other welfare I quoted :/

We're spending too much on healthcare as well?
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Yes, and other Western countries with socialized medicine spend less of their GDP on health care then the US does, why is that?

Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries
Do you just want to see your posts repeated back to you?
The problem is a lot of these systems (the military, the health care system, and the prison system) are corporate welfare schemes, they are designed to be wasteful so that private industries can profit off this waste.
 
Do you just want to see your posts repeated back to you?

Fair enough, I think a point has to be reinforced sometimes.

If you want you want to deal with debt problem, you need systematic reform, just cutting some welfare programs will not do anything.

Also I think the GOP drives up the debt on purpose, with military spending and upper class tax cuts, as a justification to cut social programs, so just cutting welfare programs plays into this old scam.
 
Fair enough, I think a point has to be reinforced sometimes.

If you want you want to deal with debt problem, you need systematic reform, just cutting some welfare programs will not do anything.

Also I think the GOP drives up the debt on purpose, with military spending and upper class tax cuts, as a justification to cut social programs, so just cutting welfare programs plays into this old scam.
Conservatives/Libertarians for forty years have done this precisely. It's never been about fiscal responsibility. It's a strategy called "starve the beast". Look it up.
 
Fair enough, I think a point has to be reinforced sometimes.

If you want you want to deal with debt problem, you need systematic reform, just cutting some welfare programs will not do anything.

Also I think the GOP drives up the debt on purpose, with military spending and upper class tax cuts, as a justification to cut social programs, so just cutting welfare programs plays into this old scam.

Winner winner chicken dinner.
 

Whatever you think this proves... Uh, it doesn't. Once more... Have you looked up the term STARVE THE BEAST in conjunction with Conservative Republican tax and spending policy?

That Democratic Presidents may have signed various tax decreases is means zilch in this context.

Also if your point was to to show Obama also cutting taxrs to dull attacks on Trump then I suppose this proves that Trump and the GOP have been lying when they state that Obama's tax policy was onerous.
 
Whatever you think this proves... Uh, it doesn't. Once more... Have you looked up the term STARVE THE BEAST in conjunction with Conservative Republican tax and spending policy?

That Democratic Presidents may have signed various tax decreases is means zilch in this context.

Also if your point was to to show Obama also cutting taxrs to dull attacks on Trump then I suppose this proves that Trump and the GOP have been lying when they state that Obama's tax policy was onerous.
This two party is a farce was my point and yeah I looked it up.
America elected & reelected the best possible "Republican" 11 years ago.
Obama did more than Bush. This includes our militaristic toes in more foreign nations.
 
This two party is a farce was my point and yeah I looked it up.
America elected & reelected the best possible "Republican" 11 years ago.
Obama did more than Bush. This includes our militaristic toes in more foreign nations.

I'm sorry man... it's just really hard to decipher what you are trying to say, exactly. Are you saying it's a good thing that Obama dipped his toes into more countries? What's your point here?
 
I'm sorry man... it's just really hard to decipher what you are trying to say, exactly. Are you saying it's a good thing that Obama dipped his toes into more countries? What's your point here?
In terms of economy and foreign policy, Obama was more "Republican" than the last Republican.
 

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