🇺🇸 Discussion: The DEMOCRATIC P - Part 3

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She's ****ting on Jimmy Dore and Niko House isn't she?
 

I support voting rights for former inmates (not current inmates as Bernie has called for). There should be more polling places so people aren't stuck standing for hours in line. It's always been ridiculous that Election Day isn't a holiday that people have off work. Gerrymandering should be illegal.
 
MagnarTheGreat said:




New York Times - Opinion | John Lewis: Together, You Can Redeem the Soul of Our Nation




The Obama years did get screwed by the filibuster. I'm not sold on getting rid of it entirely but moving the conversation between abolishment and status quo could result in a much lower threshold hopefully at least.


Elizabeth Warren has also called for the filibuster to be abolished.
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Yes to all but DC statehood. If DC wants to be a state then the Federal capital should move to a newly formed district that doesn't allow non government housing, businesses, and residents. A district and the Federal capital should never have been treated like any average city, and it should never be treated like or become a state.
 

What planet is this guy on? Has he read news about the state of the economy around the world? We're currently staring down a crisis that looks to be even worse than the Great Depression.

OtherwiseKnownAs said:

Big ****in' oooof.
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Clinton is such a piece of ****. Who uses the funeral of one civil rights activist to attack another civil rights activist?

The canonization of John Lewis as a secular saint by U.S. politicians and media can't be understood separately from the BLM protests currently rocking the country. Lewis parlayed his activism and genuine bravery from the civil rights movement into a long career as a hack politician, one who unfailingly supported the leaders of the capitalist Democratic Party.

This is the underlying reason behind both the ubiquitous celebration of Lewis as a "civil rights icon" and the attack on Black radicalism at his funeral—spearheaded by the prime mover behind Black mass incarceration himself, Bill Clinton, denouncing Stokely Carmichael. The message is clear: Those who adapt to bourgeois politics and loyally serve the ruling class are "good"; those who call for revolutionary change are "bad".


To quote the writer Paul Street: "In his John Lewis funeral oration Obama said it might take 'two centuries' for the U.S. to 'form a more perfect union.' WTF and LOL. Call me a radical, but that's just a bit too gradualist for me."
 
Marvolo said:
Yes to all but DC statehood. If DC wants to be a state then the Federal capital should move to a newly formed district that doesn't allow non government housing, businesses, and residents. A district and the Federal capital should never have been treated like any average city, and it should never be treated like or become a state.
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This isn't the 1700s any more. You really need to explain why this would be a bad thing, and why so many people need to be disenfranchised.
 
Sithborg said:
This isn't the 1700s any more. You really need to explain why this would be a bad thing, and why so many people need to be disenfranchised.
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I've explained multiple times why I'll never support this. No entire state should be the federal capital. No state should exist solely to be the capital. It blurrs the lines between states and federal law too much. Gives one state way too much primacy and power over the other 50. No single state should host and own the Federal Judicial, Executive, and Legislative branches of government. If DC residents want to be enfranchised let Maryland represent them and let them be registered as Maryland residents.

The only way I'll ever be OK with DC being a state is if the federal capital is moved to a new district. Honestly I think that's actually the better solution in the long run. We have a lot of unused land in the Midwest. Make a new district that has no residential housing, private businesses, schools, museums etc and
no non government individuals living in it. And in the heart of America it would be better protected. And a new district could be built all at once and could be entirely designed with defense and safety and modern transportation and modern utilities in mind from the ground up unlike the current district that has been built piecemeal over 2 centuries.
 
Marvolo said:
I've explained multiple times why I'll never support this. No entire state should be the federal capital. No state should exist solely to be the capital. It blurrs the lines between states and federal law too much. Gives one state way too much primacy and power over the other 50. No single state should host and own the Federal Judicial, Executive, and Legislative branches of government. If DC residents want to be enfranchised let Maryland represent them and let them be registered as Maryland residents.

The only way I'll ever be OK with DC being a state is if the federal capital is moved to a new district. Honestly I think that's actually the better solution in the long run. We have a lot of unused land in the Midwest. Make a new district that has no residential housing, private businesses, schools, museums etc and
no non government individuals living in it. And in the heart of America it would be better protected. And a new district could be built all at once and could be entirely designed with defense and safety and modern transportation and modern utilities in mind from the ground up unlike the current district that has been built piecemeal over 2 centuries.
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I still think you need to explain more.

Also... The capitol being placed into the, frankly, lilly white "Heartland" would not be good for any person of color in the nation or anyone part of any non-white group. The capitol is D.C. now, where lawmakers at least on a practical basis, still have to have some limited interactions with non-white citizens. Yeah... I don't want to think about how a member of the Federal government will be thinking about their service to their other citizens who may not be of their background if they never see or hear from them. This may sound silly but it's something that does impact people.


And I still don't quite get the objections in general. No matter where a capitol is situated... That place is going be filled with those of power and infuence whether it's a "state" or a city.

Also a reminder of the "size" of this state...

Rhode Island is 1,102 square miles.

D.C. is 68 and a half square miles.

The number of reps it would produce would be miniscule and it would get the same senatorial representation as anyone else.
 
Marvolo said:
I've explained multiple times why I'll never support this. No entire state should be the federal capital. No state should exist solely to be the capital. It blurrs the lines between states and federal law too much. Gives one state way too much primacy and power over the other 50. No single state should host and own the Federal Judicial, Executive, and Legislative branches of government. If DC residents want to be enfranchised let Maryland represent them and let them be registered as Maryland residents.


The only way I'll ever be OK with DC being a state is if the federal capital is moved to a new district. Honestly I think that's actually the better solution in the long run. We have a lot of unused land in the Midwest. Make a new district that has no residential housing, private businesses, schools, museums etc and
no non government individuals living in it. And in the heart of America it would be better protected. And a new district could be built all at once and could be entirely designed with defense and safety and modern transportation and modern utilities in mind from the ground up unlike the current district that has been built piecemeal over 2 centuries.
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The plan I heard about is to NOT make the capital part of the state. It would remain a separate entity. The state would be made up of the residential areas of Washington DC. This includes more people than a couple of states. The residents of DC currently have no representation in the legislative branch. To me, that's the main problem.
 
Schlosser85 said:
If they have to pay taxes to the United States government, then they should have representation in the United States government.
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Ding, ding, ding......we have a winner. I can't understand any argument stating otherwise.
 

40 million Americans are about to be evicted but thank god Democrats and Republicans can get bipartisan support for banning TikTok.

The Two-Party system is a con.
 
OtherwiseKnownAs said:

40 million Americans are about to be evicted but thank god Democrats and Republicans can get bipartisan support for banning TikTok.

The Two-Party system is a con.
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Until I looked, I thought this was a post by Axl. Although, I'm not a bit surprised it was you. :cwink:

It's problematic. My rational side totally agrees with you. My more emotional side says we've just got to get Trump out of office and things will get better. LOL.

Me and me.....:gibbs:
 
InCali said:
Until I looked, I thought this was a post by Axl. Although, I'm not a bit surprised it was you. :cwink:

It's problematic. My rational side totally agrees with you. My more emotional side says we've just got to get Trump out of office and things will get better. LOL.

Me and me.....:gibbs:
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Listen to your rational side cause seriously 40 million people are at risk of being homeless tomorrow.
 
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