Discussion: The DEMOCRATIC Party III

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Only on Colbert would he pose how terrorism is equated to accidental deaths in terms of trying to prevent them. Last I checked, me not being careful on a ladder is not the same as a guy walking into a lobby with a bomb strapped to his chest.
 
chaseter said:
Only on Colbert would he pose how terrorism is equated to accidental deaths in terms of trying to prevent them. Last I checked, me not being careful on a ladder is not the same as a guy walking into a lobby with a bomb strapped to his chest.
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The guest who was just pushing his book pointed out things you are more likely to die by then a terrorist and how the world in general is a less barbaric place compared to 100-1000 years ago. The Guest basically pointed out that the media generally only covers bad things so that's why people live in fear of stuff that is less likely to happen then any time in history

By the way shouldn't this be int he Republican thread since Colbert is obviously a Conservative :p
 
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Kelly said:
Radio/Internet, very easy to find...but on TV besides Fox, name me a few.
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Conservative Talk Radio dominates the political landscape in terms of that media. In the case of Liberal radio it's usually found in lesser areas(podcasts, satellite speciality channels, etc)
 
SV Fan said:
Conservative Talk Radio dominates the political landscape in terms of that media. In the case of Liberal radio it's usually found in lesser areas(podcasts, satellite speciality channels, etc)
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Exactly, which is why I said it was easy to find a conservative voice on the Internet and Radio...
 
Kelly said:
Exactly, which is why I said it was easy to find a conservative voice on the Internet and Radio...
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Moviedoors basically was saying it wasn't hard to find conservative oriented media and radio is the perfect(and easiest) example how easy it is to find, your reply looks like a challenge to prove that(that's it hard finding people who don't kiss Obama's butt in any media). Their isn't much difference between Rush Limbaugh and all those talking head shows on NBC, FOX and CNN so to completely ignore a media that the conservatives basically own a monopoly on is an unfair challenge to try get him to validate his statement, since radio is the perfect example to prove his point.
 
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SV Fan said:
Moviedoors basically was saying it wasn't hard to find conservative oriented media and radio is the perfect(and easiest) example how easy it is to find, your reply looks like a challenge to prove that(that's it hard finding people who don't kiss Obama's butt in any media). Their isn't much difference between Rush Limbaugh and all those talking head shows on NBC, FOX and CNN so to completely ignore a media that the conservatives basically own a monopoly on is an unfair challenge to try get him to validate his statement, since radio is the perfect example to prove his point.
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Nailed it.
 
SV Fan said:
Moviedoors basically was saying it wasn't hard to find conservative oriented media and radio is the perfect(and easiest) example how easy it is to find, your reply looks like a challenge to prove that(that's it hard finding people who don't kiss Obama's butt in any media). Their isn't much difference between Rush Limbaugh and all those talking head shows on NBC, FOX and CNN so to completely ignore a media that the conservatives basically own a monopoly on is an unfair challenge to try get him to validate his statement, since radio is the perfect example to prove his point.
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OK, did you not read my post....I AGREE....hello, I agree, radio is the conservative mecca for media. Once again, I agreed with that...lol

I asked for more than Fox as an example that is overtly conservative as far as TV.

It wasn't to pull away attention from the internet or the radio, I was sincerely wondering if he thought any other TV outlets were as overtly conservative as Fox. Sooooo, I asked the question could he give any other examples of that on TV other than Fox which is kinda obvious.

Damn people, read the post, and stop reading "into" the post....lol :cwink:
 
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http://loudwire.com/glenn-danzig-democrats-fascists-disguised-as-liberals/
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Yeah, that's not stupid. :whatever:

You can make the same complaints about the GOP as fascists.

You can say Bush used an national emergency to greatly expand the powers of the government, like many dictatorships have in the past or you can talk about how the neo cons strong desire for a powerful executive branch is similar to the views of a lot of dictators.

And really, how times from 2001 to 2005 did various members of the conservative media say "we have to stand by our president in a time a war" that seems to limit criticism of him.

Also how many Republicans oppose drone strikes and the government listening on people, the problem is the GOP started many of these policies and Obama continued them.

So either neither party is fascist, because they have similar policies in these key areas, so there is no point comparing them to fascists or they are both fascist, in which cause you are screwed either way, saying one party is fascist and ignoring the other one is intellectually dishonest, this guy should stick to music.
 
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The Overlord said:
Yeah, that's not stupid. :whatever:

You can make the same complaints about the GOP as fascists.

You can say Bush used an national emergency to greatly expand the powers of the government, like many dictatorships have in the past or you can talk about how the neo cons strong desire for a powerful executive branch is similar to the views of a lot of dictators.

And really, how times from 2001 to 2005 did various members of the conservative media say "we have to stand by our president in a time a war" that seems to limit criticism of him.

Also how many Republicans oppose drone strikes and the government listening on people, the problem is the GOP started many of these policies and Obama continued them.

So either neither party is fascist, because they have similar policies in these key areas, so there is no point comparing them to fascists or they are both fascist, in which cause you are screwed either way, saying one party is fascist and ignoring the other one is intellectually dishonest, this guy should stick to music.
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So that means most celebrities should shut up then since many believe the Democrats are all good-hearted public servants but Republicans are fascists trying to control every facet of everyone's lives. Democrats need to learn to take the criticism thrown at them and try to understand where the other side is coming from.
 
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So that means most celebrities should shut up then since many believe the Democrats are all good-hearted public servants but Republicans are fascists trying to control every facet of everyone's lives. Democrats need to learn to take the criticism thrown at them and try to understand where the other side is coming from.
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The other side isn't coming from anywhere, if they going just pretend the Bush years didn't happen. When you have guys Sean Hannity, saying that its okay for the government to spy on people when Bush did it, but its bad when Obama does it. This is why most of the GOP doesn't really have any relevant criticism of Obama, because they started these policies and Obama is continuing them. Dick Cheney has the one arguing for a stronger executive branch in the first place, so comes off as extremely hypocritical when Obama is wielding executive power, when the neo cons were the ones who wanted a strong executive branch in the first place.

I support policies, not parties, so I personally don't care if either the GOP or the Dems are the ones doing the drone strikes or the spying on citizens, I don't like those policies and if the Dems are supporting those policies, I am not going to suddenly support them. I don't think the Dems are good hearted public servants, because their policies often don't reflect that and I don't care if some actor says otherwise, I'm not a lemming.

Only someone who is stupid or extremely cynical, would support a policy if one party does it and not support it when the other party does it. We need more discussing of policy, rather this sad game of political finger pointing and buck passing.
 
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As I have always said..."two wrongs does not make something right, just makes it twice as wrong..."

This is simply the Dems version of ... "Absolute Power over Solid Policy" Same song as the Republicans were singing, just a new verse.
 
The Overlord said:
The other side isn't coming from anywhere, if they going just pretend the Bush years didn't happen. When you have guys Sean Hannity, saying that its okay for the government to spy on people when Bush did it, but its bad when Obama does it. This is why most of the GOP doesn't really have any relevant criticism of Obama, because they stated these policies and Obama is continuing them. Dick Cheney has the one arguing for a stronger executive branch in the first place, so comes off as extremely hypocritical when Obama is wielding executive power, when the neo cons were the ones who wanted a strong executive branch in the first place.

I support policies, not parties, so I personally don't care if either the GOP or the Dems are the ones doing the drone strikes or the spying on citizens, I don't like those policies and if the Dems are supporting those policies, I am not going to suddenly support them. I don't think the Dems are good hearted public servants, because their policies often don't reflect that and I don't care if some actor says otherwise, I'm not a lemming.

Only someone who is stupid or extremely cynical, would support a policy if one party does it and not support it when the other party does it. We need more discussing of policy, rather this sad game of political finger pointing and buck passing.
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I think certain elements in the Military Industrial Complex have shaped America's fight on terror all the way back to LBJ. The Dems have to move past the center not to look weak while the Republicans have to always been to the right of the Dems
 
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I think certain elements in the Military Industrial Complex have shaped America's fight on terror all the way back to LBJ. The Dems have to move past the center not to look weak while the Republicans have to always been to the right of the Dems
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See then, there is not much of Democracy in the US, if the military industrial complex gets its way no matter what. If there is not a serious policy change when a electing a new party, there is no point to a electing a new party, people want to vote policy change, not just voting for and against some arbitrary label.

The Dems should just have some spine and stand up to the Military Industrial Complex, no matter how much the GOP says it makes them weak and the GOP should realize the military industrial complex is big government and if they truly believed in small government, they would take on the military industrial complex as well.
 
Good lord! What's next socialized healthcare? Women wearing pants?! Where will it end!
 
Thundercrack85 said:
Good lord! What's next socialized healthcare? Women wearing pants?! Where will it end!
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I think the funny thing about the Republicans demagoguing socialism for the past decade is now adults 18-29 view socialism more positively then capitalism.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/29/young-people-socialism_n_1175218.html


Young people -- the collegiate and post-college crowd, who have served as the most visible face of the Occupy Wall Street movement -- might be getting more comfortable with socialism. That's the surprising result from a Pew Research Center poll that aims to measure American sentiments toward different political labels.

The poll, published Wednesday, found that while Americans overall tend to oppose socialism by a strong margin -- 60 percent say they have a negative view of it, versus just 31 percent who say they have a positive view -- socialism has more fans than opponents among the 18-29 crowd. Forty-nine percent of people in that age bracket say they have a positive view of socialism; only 43 percent say they have a negative view.

And while those numbers aren't very far apart, it's noteworthy that they were reversed just 20 months ago, when Pew conducted a similar poll. In that survey, published May 2010, 43 percent of people age 18-29 said they had a positive view of socialism, and 49 percent said their opinion was negative.

It's not clear why young people have evidently begun to change their thinking on socialism. In the past several years, the poor economy has had any number of effects on young adults -- keeping them at home with their parents, making it difficult for them to get jobs, and likely depressing their earning potential for years to come -- that might have dampened enthusiasm for the free market among this crowd.

Indeed, the Pew poll also found that just 46 percent of people age 18-29 have positive views of capitalism, and 47 percent have negative views -- making this the only age group where support for socialism outweighs support for capitalism.
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Way to spread your message
 
There's benefits to be found in a balance between both trains of thought. But it doesn't earn ratings so it isn't happening.
 
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