Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party - - - Part 18

[Matt]

McCain is a fraud, always kinda has been. Reap it & weep it.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/make-believe-maverick-20081016

So he has been disingenuous as any politician? Okay. Tell me something I didn't know. Doesn't change the fact that he is a guy who spent his life in service of his country (including several years being tortured in a Vietnamese prison camp) nor does it change one very simple fact:

HE HAS BRAIN CANCER! YOU DON'T BOO SOMEONE WITH BRAIN CANCER! THIS IS COMMON SENSE!

 

[Marvolo]

But even accepting that the worst is true: that McCain is a selfish old man who deserves his brain tumor and a slow painful death, what is gained by booing him pragmatically? What is gained for Democrats by not applauding or greeting their colleague who has (likely) terminal cancer? That optic is a nightmare and weakens any moral high ground that the Dems have.

Why not both? They can greet him and tell him they were very sorry to hear about his sickness and that he is in their thoughts and prayers. And after he votes they could have scorned him for that.

So he has been disingenuous as any politician? Okay. Tell me something I didn't know. Doesn't change the fact that he is a guy who spent his life in service of his country (including several years being tortured in a Vietnamese prison camp) nor does it change one very simple fact:

HE HAS BRAIN CANCER! YOU DON'T BOO SOMEONE WITH BRAIN CANCER! THIS IS COMMON SENSE!

Brain cancer doesnt negate guilt and block a person from being reprimanded.

 

[Sithborg]

There is a reason the Senate is much more respectable than the House. They are the adults in the room, for the most part. I do think there is room to applaud a dying colleague, even if they voted against something you strongly disagree with. Has politics really become that toxic?

 

[OcStat]

Just read the transcript of his speech and actually, I thought it was pretty damn good.

 

[Sithborg]

I mean, ignoring the fact that he voted to proceed on something that completely violated the norms.

Who knows, he may end up being a maverick when it comes to the final bill.

 

[Matt]

Why not both? They can greet him and tell him they were very sorry to hear about his sickness and that he is in their thoughts and prayers. And after he votes they could have scorned him for that.




Brain cancer doesnt negate guilt and block a person from being reprimanded.

Sure, but that wasn't what the post that prompted this conversation regarded to. It was prompted by someone complaining about the initial reaction McCain received when he arrived on the Senate floor.

 

[Matt]

There is a reason the Senate is much more respectable than the House. They are the adults in the room, for the most part. I do think there is room to applaud a dying colleague, even if they voted against something you strongly disagree with. Has politics really become that toxic?

Apparently so. I've seen people in this thread say what a monster Trump is for his tweets, all while saying that McCain deserved to be heckled after entering the Senate chambers for the first time after a diagnosis of brain cancer.

 

[Sithborg]

I do understand the anger. And anger makes people do stupid things.

 

[fancyarcher]

So he has been disingenuous as any politician? Okay. Tell me something I didn't know. Doesn't change the fact that he is a guy who spent his life in service of his country (including several years being tortured in a Vietnamese prison camp) nor does it change one very simple fact:

HE HAS BRAIN CANCER! YOU DON'T BOO SOMEONE WITH BRAIN CANCER! THIS IS COMMON SENSE!

And yet McCain has no problem voting yes to a bill that could eventually lead to hurting millions more, and somehow I'm supposed to be the feel sorry for him? I don't wanna seem malicious, but it's hard to feel sympathetic towards somehow that does something like that.

I mean, ignoring the fact that he voted to proceed on something that completely violated the norms.

Who knows, he may end up being a maverick when it comes to the final bill.

Doubt it. McCain basically Mr. GOP. He'll vote yes to any bill that the Republicans pass around more then likely. I hope I'm wrong though.

 

[fancyarcher]

That article reads like a hit piece, and considering that it was published one month before the 2008 election Im going to assume it is a hit piece.

McCaine deserves to be booed for voting for this bill. Cancer or not, he voted yes and deserves to be shamed for that.

It's actually pretty relevant. McCain has always been a Republican partisan hack. Heck he was part of the Keating Five and was considered the worse of the lot of a group of corrupt senators, which says a lot.

Not just trying to sorely discredit the guy, but I'm not expecting good things from him when it comes to voting for the bill.

 

[redhawk23]

So he has been disingenuous as any politician? Okay. Tell me something I didn't know. Doesn't change the fact that he is a guy who spent his life in service of his country (including several years being tortured in a Vietnamese prison camp) nor does it change one very simple fact:

HE HAS BRAIN CANCER! YOU DON'T BOO SOMEONE WITH BRAIN CANCER! THIS IS COMMON SENSE!

He has a brain cancer and rather than step down to focus on his health he flew across the country to help strip millions of healthcare access. He is securing his legacy. John McCain will not face another election. He probably won't even have to live in the country he helps create. This is is what he is choosing. This, at this time is who he truly is. He will be judged clearly and accurately

Let the boos follow him straight to the grave.

 

[Sawyer]

He earned those goddamn boos. To suggest anything else is asinine.

 

[Evelisse]

I mean seriously does anyone honestly believe any change for the good will come from any debates on this healthcare plan? This is the bill, this is the plan they are going with, everything that follows is just a formality.

So I have no problem at all saying it, **** Trump, **** the GOP, and that includes McCain, cancer and all.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I suspect Trump will use Sessions' undisclosed contacts with the Russians as an excuse to fire him.

 

[Sithborg]

So, they shot down the BCRA. So I think the AHCA is up next in the vote a rama. And if that fails, I think the plan C is merely killing the mandate.

EDIT: I think the plan B is actually repeal, don't replace.

 

[Charlatan]

at least the house came through with a veto proof vote for the sanctions bill. now to see if the senate will follow suit. still haven't read the details yet. I hope that Exxon Rosneft deal is not allowed.

 

[Sithborg]

Straight repeal got voted down, with some flipping. Next up is the skinny repeal, which is where things are going to get tight.

 

[Sithborg]

The political theater going on with the skinny repeal is just disgusting. If you don't want it to become law, then don't friggin vote for it.

They are literally playing hot potatoe with this.

 

[SuperSpideyGirl]

This whole process is revolting.

 

[fancyarcher]

They are going to pass the bill aren't they? I'm so scared. McConnell & the modern GOP are monsters.

 

[Sithborg]

McConnell is stalling the final votes. So there is hope.

 

[SuperSpideyGirl]

They are going to pass the bill aren't they? I'm so scared. McConnell & the modern GOP are monsters.

That is what I'm guessing. I like how a few hours ago a few of them pretty much said this is a steaming pile of crap but now they are going to vote for it.

 

[Sithborg]

All 50 votes are in for the procedural vote. McConnell is keeping it open. There is trouble in the GOP caucus.

EDIT: A Republican looks just stunned after having a lively talk with McCain.

 

[fancyarcher]

McCain looking to possibly flip. OMG!!!

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Voting now.

I want repeal to lose.