Discussion: The Second Amendment III

[hippie_hunter]

Treat the palm print like DRM, program it to allow a certain number of users. That's what I would do if I were developing such a device.

 

[Marvolo]

Treat the palm print like DRM, program it to allow a certain number of users. That's what I would do if I were developing such a device.

That would be a good start. Seriously its the 21st century and we treat palm print readers in James Bond likes its some cool scifi tech. Its a damn palm print reader. Ipads and iphones all over the place and we cant male a smart gun. Come one we can do better than this. Guns dont have to be blunt instruments. They can be smart safe capable means of defense. Not just pull trigger go boom death tools.

 

[SuBe]

My only concern with palm print readers is that you are incapacitated and another family member or friend cant use the weapon to defend themselves. I mean if I go down I want whoever is standing by to be able to defend themselves and shoot the bastard who hit me. What we need is smart guns. With CPUs that can be preprogrammed with a set of parameters. You can encode multiple palm prints of your choosing and have a fail safe of some sort to allow a stanger to use the gun if need be. It could have a voice lock and optional key code so the gun can not be turned on the owner or anyone they care about. At first they would be insanely priced but eventually they would trickle down to an affordable price. This is the 21st century I think its time for this. If we can make an Iphone and ipad we can make a smart gun.

It could also have some sort of GPS on it as well. OnStar for guns. Imagine how this would occur in a Free Society. As a gun owner, your insurance rates would be less if you happened to have a Firearm with a GPS in it that as soon as it is fired, sends out information to a website that automatically pins the location of the shot. This could aid in the investigation, there can be an app on an iPhone App just like "FindmyiPhone" for Firearms. You could even set it so if it was to leave the parameters of the home, it would auto email/text the phone.

 

[Thundercrack85]

It's not that they can't, it's that they really don't have an incentive.

And that's where the law should come in.

I do think there's actually a decent sales pitch. One worry with home invasions is that the person breaking in will take your gun in a tussle. Well, let them. Only you can fire it. While they figure that out, you pull out your other gun.

 

[SuBe]

It's not that they can't, it's that they really don't have an incentive.

And that's where the law should come in.

I do think there's actually a decent sales pitch. One worry with home invasions is that the person breaking in will take your gun in a tussle. Well, let them. Only you can fire it. While they figure that out, you pull out your other gun.

Lower litigation costs and insurance rates isn't an incentive? The "Law" is nothing more than a magic spell, if enough people "hope" it works, then maybe, just maybe it would. We need more than "magic" in the real world and Innovation is that.

 

[Marvolo]

It could also have some sort of GPS on it as well. OnStar for guns. Imagine how this would occur in a Free Society. As a gun owner, your insurance rates would be less if you happened to have a Firearm with a GPS in it that as soon as it is fired, sends out information to a website that automatically pins the location of the shot. This could aid in the investigation, there can be an app on an iPhone App just like "FindmyiPhone" for Firearms. You could even set it so if it was to leave the parameters of the home, it would auto email/text the phone.

Heck, yeah make the gps tamper proof. Imagine how it would curb gun crime. You cant remove the gps and if you fire the gun your pegged. If you have it at a range the range could register that you are there. It would need some smoothing out but this kind of thinking is where we need to be focusing.

 

[SuBe]

Heck, yeah make the gps tamper proof. Imagine how it would curb gun crime. You cant remove the gps and if you fire the gun your pegged. If you have it at a range the range could register that you are there. It would need some smoothing out but this kind of thinking is where we need to be focusing.

Oh look. A possible solution that didn't require a committee of over-paid politicians. Isn't the Free Market grand?

 

[Marvolo]

Oh look. A possible solution that didn't require a committee of over-paid politicians. Isn't the Free Market grand?

Haha so true.

 

[enterthemadness]

Via my Facebook

As a Libertarian and a American citizen, this law is a slap in the face to gun owners in NY and increase Big Brother spying on law-abiding citizens.

'New Yorkers also would be barred from buying assault weapons over the Internet, and failing to safely store a weapon could lead to a misdemeanor charge.'

'Ammunition magazines would be restricted to seven bullets, from the current 10, and current owners of higher-capacity magazines would have a year to sell them out of state.'

'An owner caught at home with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge.'

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/01/1...f-new-yorks-proposed-gun-control-legislation/

Of course, New York loves Big Brother, so I guess they are happy. Guess that is what Liberals want.

 

[Hotwire]

God, Jon Stewart was so right.

 

[enterthemadness]

God, Jon Stewart was so right.

Oh what?

 

[Hotwire]

Oh what?

On how people are when it comes to gun control laws. How those opposed to it are so adamant that there is nothing that can be done and how laws do nothing.

This in an article Huffington Post did on it but, you should be able to find the actual full videos either on Comedy Central's site or YouTube. I'm reluctant to post them here because they are often uncensored and have language I'd get in trouble for.

Link

 

[enterthemadness]

On how people are when it comes to gun control laws. How those opposed to it are so adamant that there is nothing that can be done and how laws do nothing.

This in an article Huffington Post did on it but, you should be able to find the actual full videos either on Comedy Central's site or YouTube. I'm reluctant to post them here because they are often uncensored and have language I'd get in trouble for.

Link

Well, I believe in the 2nd Amendment.

Also, oh hey look...

NBC News is reporting that President Obama is calling for Universal Background Checks, Ban on high capacity Magazines, and renewal of the Assault Weapons Ban on Wed.

 

[Hotwire]

Well, I believe in the 2nd Amendment.

Also, oh hey look...

NBC News is reporting that President Obama is calling for Universal Background Checks, Ban on high capacity Magazines, and renewal of the Assault Weapons Ban on Wed.

And I see nothing wrong with any of things. I wasn't really directing my post at you specifically. Just the process that there is nothing that can be done in this country to stop gun violence. Well, nothing except arming more people.

 

[wiegeabo]

Well, I believe in the 2nd Amendment.

Also, oh hey look...

NBC News is reporting that President Obama is calling for Universal Background Checks, Ban on high capacity Magazines, and renewal of the Assault Weapons Ban on Wed.

Well, the 2nd amendment does say ...well regulated...


It is kind of funny. The 2nd Amendment says "well regulated", yet there's a huge segment of the population that wants no restrictions of any kind.

The 1st Amendment says "shall make no law", and that same group seems to want to restrict what people can say and believe.

 

[enterthemadness]

And I see nothing wrong with any of things. I wasn't really directing my post at you specifically. Just the process that there is nothing that can be done in this country to stop gun violence. Well, nothing except arming more people.

Well, the ban on high capacity magazine and renewal of Assault Weapons technically gives criminals more power.

 

[Hotwire]

Well, the ban on high capacity magazine and renewal of Assault Weapons technically gives criminals more power.

Oh, really? Because it limits what the law abiding citizens can have? Just explain to me how other countries are able to regulate firearms and see a drop in their murder rates but, if America regulates firearms, it will only serve to doom us all.

 

[Prison Mike]

Well, I believe in the 2nd Amendment.

Also, oh hey look...

NBC News is reporting that President Obama is calling for Universal Background Checks, Ban on high capacity Magazines, and renewal of the Assault Weapons Ban on Wed.

While I whole heartedly support what Obama is calling for, I hope he doesn't do it through executive action. I'm afraid some gun nut will try to shoot him out of anger...

 

[enterthemadness]

Oh, really? Because it limits what the law abiding citizens can have? Just explain to me how other countries are able to regulate firearms and see a drop in their murder rates but, if America regulates firearms, it will only serve to doom us all.

well, England...has a terrible track record. the city of chicago isnt so great.

 

[Marvolo]

Well, I believe in the 2nd Amendment.

Also, oh hey look...

NBC News is reporting that President Obama is calling for Universal Background Checks, Ban on high capacity Magazines, and renewal of the Assault Weapons Ban on Wed.

I support the 2nd amendment, but lets look at what it says, shall we.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

We arent a well regulated militia. We are a decidedly divided and caustic group of people that are more divided than we have been in a long time. The amendment says we have the right to bear arms, but it is non specific on which arms and is entirely mum on ammo and magazine capacity because magazines and modern ammo was not in existence at the time of the amendment s inception. Therefore the only thing the amendment guarantees is your right to own a gun. Various types of guns and ammo is neither guaranteed nor a right. If we are going strictly by the standards of the 18th century then it would be single fire, single capacity rifles. Im not advocating that just making a point. We already have laws prohibiting us from owning certain weapons and guns yet no one says anything about those, and for ten years from 94-04 AR style weapons were banned and we did not see imaginary hitler rise and the downfall of western civilization, so, I think we can survive another ban.

And truthfully in a defensive situation I will take my 870 Remington 12 guage over any AR rifle. Buckshot at 15 feet or a slug at 100 feet will serve me just fine.

 

[Hotwire]

well, England...has a terrible track record. the city of chicago isnt so great.

The United States has a murder rate of 4.8/100,000 while the United Kingdom has a murder rate of 1.2/100,000. So, we have a rate 4 times higher than they do and yet, the only way we can prevent it from going higher, unlike the UK, is to make guns more easily accessible. I'm not sure why you brought up Chicago other than a dig at Obama.

 

[Marvolo]

The United States has a murder rate of 4.8/100,000 while the United Kingdom has a murder rate of 1.2/100,000. So, we have a rate 4 times higher than they do and yet, the only way we can prevent it from going higher, unlike the UK, is to make guns more easily accessible. I'm not sure why you brought up Chicago other than a dig at Obama.

You have to take into account population diversity, demographics, immigration, living conditions, economy, mental health care, health care, job market, income, illegal drug market, and black market etc. Guns arent the only factor in murder rates.

 

[Hotwire]

You have to take into account population diversity, demographics, immigration, living conditions, economy, mental health care, health care, job market, income, illegal drug market, and black market etc. Guns aren't the only factor in murder rates.

No, they aren't. However, they do play a large role. There's no denying that guns make it much easier to kill people.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

While I whole heartedly support what Obama is calling for, I hope he doesn't do it through executive action. I'm afraid some gun nut will try to shoot him out of anger...

If he does it through executive action, then you can guarantee no Republican in Congress is going to be willing to work with him or the Democrats.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Well, I believe in the 2nd Amendment.

Also, oh hey look...

NBC News is reporting that President Obama is calling for Universal Background Checks, Ban on high capacity Magazines, and renewal of the Assault Weapons Ban on Wed.

He can maybe get the first 2 but getting an all-out assault weapons ban is going to be next to impossible. With the high capacity magazines, it'll be interesting what number they settle on because I really know they'd rather have it at 0 than at any.