Discussion: The Second Amendment III

[Kelly]

When the zombie apocalypse breaks out we're all coming to your house.

You know that you bought that gun with the full intention of killing that target....

 

[dnno1]

When the zombie apocalypse breaks out we're all coming to your house.

Is zombie apocalypse akin to when pigs fly?

 

[Thundercrack85]

Is zombie apocalypse akin to when pigs fly?

Won't be flying for long with that kind of firepower.

 

[Schlosser85]

You know that you bought that gun with the full intention of killing that target....

My former roommate and one of my best friends owned a gun the entire time I was living with him....I'm lucky I survived living with someone with such murderous plans...

 

[Thundercrack85]

My former roommate and one of my best friends owned a gun the entire time I was living with him....I'm lucky I survived living with someone with such murderous plans...

Well obviously he was busy killing other people.

 

[Destructus86]

Well obviously he was busy killing other people.

hehe....I actually laughed out loud at work over that comment. Thanks.

 

[Destructus86]

I think automatic weapons and/or military grade weapons should be very difficult to obtain. (but not impossible)

After all...this is not a gun problem. It's a social problem. Removing guns completely won't change that. Trying to bury it under new laws won't change it.

 

[Kable24]

Buying fully automatics are very expensive and hard to buy. A simple citizen cannot purchase a Colt M4 full auto or select fire rifle. Citizens can only buy full autos made prior to 1986. It takes about 6 to 8 months from time of purchase to time of pickup because of the checks that go into it. Plus, you need at least $12,000 for the rifle itself.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Let me ask this one question, to which I've always wondered as someone who's done a little hunting in his day (mostly bow) but was never big into guns. Why do you need to own an assault rifle or anything high-powered? You can't hunt with it and it's not practical as a defensive weapon. Is there any other reason besides just collecting/it's cool to own/shoot?

 

[terry78]

Haha, I actually went to a gun forum to see what the response to that question is. Basically just a lot of "because I can" and "do you NEED *insert frivilous personal possession here*?"

 

[mrvlknight21]

I was at a gun show today. The building was so packed they stopped letting people come in until some people left. People were buying left and right. Every table that were selling guns always had people filling out the paper work. It was so busy the PICS system went down. Prices were very high for high cap mags and rifles. It's a sellers market. an $800 rifle was selling for $1200 or more easily. a $4 20 round magazine was selling for $25.00 and a $15.00 30 round Magpul P-Mag was going for $45 or more.
I was going to buy an AK47, but the PICS system went down and I wasn't going to sit and wait for it to come up with how crazy the place was with all of the people.

We have a gun show 2 weekends from now, I wonder how that is going to pan out. If Magpul stays behind on filling their Pmag orders, I will probably go there and sell some at $50 each.

It feels like people are just buying **** out of spite now.

I think people are buying to turn it around and make a profit. It sucks for people like me who just wants to be able to buy one here and there. The demand is crazy and manufacturers can't keep up. Magpul is 1 million units behind on PMag orders. .223, 9mm and .45ACP ammo is getting really hard to find.

Yeah, it's like this whenever there's murmurs of more regulation. Everyone's trying to stock up before things are banned.

^ these are the top reasons right now. I have had no less than 5 of my friends call me in the last few weeks to ask about where they can buy an Ar15, simply because they dont like the government telling them what they cant have/do. None of them hunt or anything, they just dont like the idea of a ban.

I personally bought an Ar15 and stocked up on a bunch of Pmags and made a good bit of money over a few days that helped pay for my family's trip to Disney World.
Ammo is the key thing that I have noticed is low here locally. Mainly .223. Plenty of 9mm around.

The mass buying is definitely for a turn around profit. And honestly, who can blame them.....the problem is, WHO ARE THEY TURNING AROUND AND SELLING IT TO...?????

Well mostly its folks that are late to the party like I mentioned above.

I said before that I was at Academy Sports on Christmas Eve when they opened at 7am, along with a dozen others who made a mad dash for the gun counter. They got in a few Ar15s the night before and I bought one and resold it for a nice profit the same day. It really is that easy now because of the demand.
And, just as FYI, the transaction went through an FFL, so the buyer passed their background check.

 

[mrvlknight21]

Let me ask this one question, to which I've always wondered as someone who's done a little hunting in his day (mostly bow) but was never big into guns. Why do you need to own an assault rifle or anything high-powered? You can't hunt with it and it's not practical as a defensive weapon. Is there any other reason besides just collecting/it's cool to own/shoot?

This has been answered several times on here.

I know several people who hunt with Ar15s (wild hogs and deer specifically), so Im not sure what you mean when you say that you "cant hunt with it." Perhaps your state outlaws hunting with semiautomatic rifles or high capacity magazines?

I would argue that an Ar15 is good for certain self defense situations, but not necessarily practical. Working in law enforcement, I have carried an AR15 on several high risk entry warrants.

I know a few people who compete in 3 gun competitions and one of the guns required is a semiautomatic rifle. With a high capacity magazine, an AR15 makes a very good choice for those competitions.

I also know some people who served in the military and simply wanted to have a firearm similar to the one that they carried daily in service to our country. In fact, one of my friends, who spent time in Afghanistan, passed on an Ar15, because it was labeled as .223, and he wanted 5.56. (He later found and purchased a 5.56 labeled Ar15).

Still others (like Kable 24) like to do a lot of target shooting and the Ar15 is one of the most fun to shoot targets with at many distances. I have taken many of my friends shooting and they ALWAYS enjoy shooting the AR15 more than any other firearm.


So, those are several practical reasons for owning an Ar15.

And yes, there is always the answer of "Well, who needs a car that goes 150 mph." or "Well who needs a 60 inch TV screen with 8 speaker surround sound."

 

[Kable24]

Let me ask this one question, to which I've always wondered as someone who's done a little hunting in his day (mostly bow) but was never big into guns. Why do you need to own an assault rifle or anything high-powered? You can't hunt with it and it's not practical as a defensive weapon. Is there any other reason besides just collecting/it's cool to own/shoot?

For me personally, it has nothing to do with need. 1. I own 3 AR's along with several other types of guns. They are not assault rifles. They are semi automatic sporting rifles, but to answer your question on why I own them. I have always enjoyed shooting rifles ever since I was a kid. I don't hunt as I don't see a need for it. In some states it is allowed to hunt with AR-15's and their variants. The standard AR15 fires the .223/5.56mm round. it's not a high powered round. It's a pretty standard varmint hunting round. The rifle doesn't change the specs of the bullet. a 55 grain .223 round is the same as in a standard hunting rifle. People hunt with the 6.8mm and 7.62 AR15's and it is perfectly legal in some states.

I always look at it like this. Do I need an AR15? No, I don't need one. I wanted them and I purchased them. Does anyone need a fancy sports car to drive from point A to point B? No, when any car will do the same thing. it's about wanting it. I wanted them. I enjoy shooting them and that's it.

 

[terry78]

It's more or less one of those, "you have to actually experience it firsthand to understand it" thing I guess.

 

[Kable24]

It's more or less one of those, "you have to actually experience it firsthand to understand it" thing I guess.

You really do.

Anytime I have ever taken anyone out they loved firing the AR's.

 

[Schlosser85]

Well obviously he was busy killing other people.

 

[Destructus86]

This is going to get interesting. *grabs bag of popcorn* If they do ban assault weapons...we could be looking at a civil war. Obviously, not a major one. But I know there are plenty of crazies out there that would ban together to violently oppose the government on any weapon bans.

 

[SuBe]

Can I ask a general question? Why would it be considered "crazy" to protect and defend your liberty and property if someone tries to take by force your property and future liberty? Even if that property is a firearm? Is it just because those that would be doing the taking are wearing a Blue costume?

 

[Destructus86]

Can I ask a general question? Why would it be considered "crazy" to protect and defend your liberty and property if someone tries to take by force your property and future liberty? Even if that property is a firearm? Is it just because those that would be doing the taking are wearing a Blue costume?

It isn't crazy to defend your rights. But it is crazy to fight a war against battle hardened military forces fully funded by a bloated government. Because you're going to lose and just encourage the government to take away even more of our rights. Violent opposition just gives them an excuse.

 

[SuBe]

So because they have most of the guns, that means they have the moral right to take private property or future liberty?

 

[dnno1]

Can I ask a general question? Why would it be considered "crazy" to protect and defend your liberty and property if someone tries to take by force your property and future liberty? Even if that property is a firearm? Is it just because those that would be doing the taking are wearing a Blue costume?

Who said it was crazy to protect and defend you person and property?

 

[Destructus86]

So because they have most of the guns, that means they have the moral right to take private property or future liberty?

They don't have the moral right. But they do have the most guns and power, which means they win.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

This has been answered several times on here.

I know several people who hunt with Ar15s (wild hogs and deer specifically), so Im not sure what you mean when you say that you "cant hunt with it." Perhaps your state outlaws hunting with semiautomatic rifles or high capacity magazines?

Yeah, you can't hunt with that much firepower here, and frankly, as someone who grew up hunting, you dont need THAT much firepower to hunt. We're not killing velociraptors. At a certain it becomes fishing with dynamite.

I would argue that an Ar15 is good for certain self defense situations, but not necessarily practical. Working in law enforcement, I have carried an AR15 on several high risk entry warrants.

But you're a trained law enforcement official and you're using it in what can possibly be an unusually hostile situation entering someone else's property. Not John Q. Public who thinks he needs that to defend his house from the average thief.

I know a few people who compete in 3 gun competitions and one of the guns required is a semiautomatic rifle. With a high capacity magazine, an AR15 makes a very good choice for those competitions.

I also know some people who served in the military and simply wanted to have a firearm similar to the one that they carried daily in service to our country. In fact, one of my friends, who spent time in Afghanistan, passed on an Ar15, because it was labeled as .223, and he wanted 5.56. (He later found and purchased a 5.56 labeled Ar15).

Still others (like Kable 24) like to do a lot of target shooting and the Ar15 is one of the most fun to shoot targets with at many distances. I have taken many of my friends shooting and they ALWAYS enjoy shooting the AR15 more than any other firearm.


So, those are several practical reasons for owning an Ar15.

Not sure I'd call any of those really practical. You listed over-powered hunting, police activity, shooting competitions, familiarity to what was used in military combat situations, and "it's fun." Those all seem pretty trivial at best or at least more useful to those in law enforcement/military than your average civilian gun owner.

 

[SuBe]

They don't have the moral right. But they do have the most guns and power, which means they win.

That's historically inaccurate. The Colonists won the War for Independence. I just wanted to know why it would be considered morally right for Government to ban firearms.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Yeah, you can't hunt with that much firepower here, and frankly, as someone who grew up hunting, you dont need THAT much firepower to hunt. We're not killing velociraptors. At a certain it becomes fishing with dynamite.

But you're a trained law enforcement official and you're using it in what can possibly be an unusually hostile situation entering someone else's property. Not John Q. Public who thinks he needs that to defend his house from the average thief.

Not sure I'd call any of those really practical. You listed over-powered hunting, police activity, shooting competitions, familiarity to what was used in military combat situations, and "it's fun." Those all seem pretty trivial at best or at least more useful to those in law enforcement/military than your average civilian gun owner.

You average civilian gun owner is also not really that much of a danger to the general public if they are safe gun owners.