Discussion: The Second Amendment IV

[Optimus_Prime_]

Nothing says, "What gun violence problem?", quite like a national holiday celebrating guns.

I'm all for 'Puppy Mill Day' as well. Can't appreciate them enough.

 

[dnno1]

 

[dnno1]

At least 5 hurt in Phoenix office complex shooting
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/30/arizona-shooting/1877525/

 

[The Question]

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...and-declare-day-gun-appreciation-day/dkpN94dC

I don't see why guns should be celebrated. I don't see why it's okay that people see them as a thing to be enjoyed. Argue that they are necessary to some degree, I might be on board with that. But their function and purpose are disgusting, to see them any other way is a viewpoint that terrifies me.

 

[dnno1]

I don't see why guns should be celebrated. I don't see why it's okay that people see them as a thing to be enjoyed. Argue that they are necessary to some degree, I might be on board with that. But their function and purpose are disgusting, to see them any other way is a viewpoint that terrifies me.

I don't see why there should be a federal holiday, but I have no problem if private groups want to take the day off to celebrate an event. I just posted that to let everybody know there was a petition to the White House out there.

 

[Destructus86]

I don't see why guns should be celebrated. I don't see why it's okay that people see them as a thing to be enjoyed. Argue that they are necessary to some degree, I might be on board with that. But their function and purpose are disgusting, to see them any other way is a viewpoint that terrifies me.

I am somewhat terrified that there are people that are terrified of guns.

 

[The Question]

I am somewhat terrified that there are people that are terrified of guns.

Why?

 

[dnno1]

I am somewhat terrified that there are people that are terrified of guns.

It's a natural reaction. You ever see a crowd of people when they find out somebody has a gun? How soon people forget just what happened just months ago in Aurora, CO.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

I am somewhat terrified that there are people that are terrified of guns.

Why? Do you enjoy the topic of death and things that cause it?

 

[dnno1]

Why? Do you enjoy the topic of death and things that cause it?

With a name like Destructu86, I often wonder...

 

[Super Kal]

That isn't even plausible deniability. You said that.

It was nothing more than a suggestion. There are others out there who know more about this than I do. I'm just giving my opinion based on the information that I have available.

 

[dnno1]

It was nothing more than a suggestion. There are others out there who know more about this than I do. I'm just giving my opinion based on the information that I have available.

Just keep in mind that your suggestion is to force people to give up their rights (in this case to sue if their is a loss or property damage). That's going to be a tough one to come by.

 

[Super Kal]

Just keep in mind that your suggestion is to force people to give up their rights (in this case to sue if their is a loss or property damage). That's going to be a tough one to come by.

force people to give up their right!?... bite your tongue. i'll be one of the first to support someone to keep their rights. im not one, though, who's going to ban guns simply because they're "scary looking"

 

[Schlosser85]

I'm all for 'Puppy Mill Day' as well. Can't appreciate them enough.

I might be more supportive of a Gun Day if it involved using them on the people who run puppy mills.

 

[Kelly]

I might be more supportive of a Gun Day if it involved using them on the people who run puppy mills.

Could not have said it better myself........"BOOOOOM".....

 

[Hotwire]

force people to give up their right!?... bite your tongue. i'll be one of the first to support someone to keep their rights. im not one, though, who's going to ban guns simply because they're "scary looking"

You suggested that people who live near an indoor gun range sign a wavier, thus giving up their rights, in case a stray bullet should hit them or their property.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I might be more supportive of a Gun Day if it involved using them on the people who run puppy mills.

Maybe someone should start a petition for this one.

 

[Victarion]

You suggested that people who live near an indoor gun range sign a wavier, thus giving up their rights, in case a stray bullet should hit them or their property.

If the range is indoors, shouldn't the walls be reinforced enough to keep the bullets in the range?

 

[Hotwire]

If the range is indoors, shouldn't the walls be reinforced enough to keep the bullets in the range?

You would think. Also, somehow, the Army has tons of outdoor ranges and I've never heard of anyone ever getting hit by a stray bullet there.

 

[Super Kal]

You suggested that people who live near an indoor gun range sign a wavier, thus giving up their rights, in case a stray bullet should hit them or their property.

yes, that's simply one suggestion... i also admitted openly that there are better alternatives out there. i also admitted that there are those who probably know better than i do. I think all of the precautions that many people here listed are great things to do, in that circumstances, and in no way am i saying they shouldn't be done.

the whole premise of how i am thinking about this particular situation, is that there is always going to be some kind of risk when it comes to a lead object being ejected from another object at a high velocity... personally, i wished what happened to that lady never happened to begin with. there is always the possibility of someone getting hurt or something getting damaged when it comes to firearms... none of you, not an owner of a gun range, not a policeman, not the president, no human being on this planet can promise 100% protection... i dont like how the owner reacted, and as a gun owner myself, im willing to do whatever it takes to reduce the possibility of a threat.

again, I am all for taking every single precautionary step known to man to reduce the possibility as low as possible..

 

[Hotwire]

yes, that's simply one suggestion... i also admitted openly that there are better alternatives out there. i also admitted that there are those who probably know better than i do. I think all of the precautions that many people here listed are great things to do, in that circumstances, and in no way am i saying they shouldn't be done.

the whole premise of how i am thinking about this particular situation, is that there is always going to be some kind of risk when it comes to a lead object being ejected from another object at a high velocity... personally, i wished what happened to that lady never happened to begin with. there is always the possibility of someone getting hurt or something getting damaged when it comes to firearms... none of you, not an owner of a gun range, not a policeman, not the president, no human being on this planet can promise 100% protection... i dont like how the owner reacted, and as a gun owner myself, im willing to do whatever it takes to reduce the possibility of a threat.

again, I am all for taking every single precautionary step known to man to reduce the possibility as low as possible..

The problem with waivers is where would it stop? Would people who randomly drive by have to sign them? What about the people who eat lunch at the Burger King across the street from an indoor range? Would you suggest they sign waivers as well? Perhaps, instead of even suggesting something like waivers, we hold ranger owners 100% accountable for every piece of lead fired on their property.

 

[Super Kal]

The problem with waivers is where would it stop? Would people who randomly drive by have to sign them? What about the people who eat lunch at the Burger King across the street from an indoor range? Would you suggest they sign waivers as well? Perhaps, instead of even suggesting something like waivers, we hold ranger owners 100% accountable for every piece of lead fired on their property.

i'm all for that too, hotwire... like i said, i was a simple suggestion.
personally, i would suggest both... or, if not waivers, then notices to houses and companies in the vicinity of those within range... personally, when it comes to a gun range, i think it should be handled *somewhat* like a military base... buy a piece of land, make sure the area is secure of home owners and nearby companies, and put up signs for no trespassing.

a gun range should never be near a home owner to begin with. thats irresponsibility on the gun range owner's fault

 

[Hotwire]

i'm all for that too, hotwire... like i said, i was a simple suggestion.
personally, i would suggest both... or, if not waivers, then notices to houses and companies in the vicinity of those within range... personally, when it comes to a gun range, i think it should be handled *somewhat* like a military base... buy a piece of land, make sure the area is secure of home owners and nearby companies, and put up signs for no trespassing.

a gun range should never be near a home owner to begin with. thats irresponsibility on the gun range owner's fault

I think it would have a HUGE impact on local businesses if they had to post signs warning patron that they need to be alert due to the possibility of being hit by a stray bullet. If I thought for one second that I could be hit by a stray bullet from the gun range across the street from the Burger King I often eat lunch at, I would never eat there. I doubt people would shop at the grocery store there either. The bank, video store, and full service restaurant would probably close as well. There really is no other option but keeping a range 100% secure against allowing stray bullet to get out.

 

[Super Kal]

There really is no other option but keeping a range 100% secure against allowing stray bullet to get out.

when you show me a gun range that is 100% secure in every way, promising 0% risk, then i will agree with you that it can be done. until that, all one can do is prevent and reduce it to its lowest possibility.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

I might be more supportive of a Gun Day if it involved using them on the people who run puppy mills.

You're onto something there...