Discussion: The Second Amendment IV

[Hotwire]

when you show me a gun range that is 100% secure in every way, promising 0% risk, then i will agree with you that it can be done. until that, all one can do is prevent and reduce it to its lowest possibility.

http://www.sharpshootersusa.com/Indoor-Range-Equipment.html

Head down to the last paragraph. Indoor ranges can be made so that no stray bullets escape the building.

 

[Super Kal]

http://www.sharpshootersusa.com/Indoor-Range-Equipment.html

Head down to the last paragraph. Indoor ranges can be made so that no stray bullets escape the building.

that's cool. not doubting it, but i still have my concerns about it (it's firearms)- and btw, that's not me saying they shouldn't do it

 

[wiegeabo]

We had a shooting range across the street from where I work. Never once did any of us worry about a stray bullet. Why? Because in all the ranges I've ever been in, and they've all been in the middle of the city, the range itself is downstairs. So, not only would a bullet have to somehow survive escaping the range's walls, it would have to get through the ground itself.

Normal rounds wouldn't make it more than a few inches, even in loose dirt. Much less any concrete and steel wrapping around the range. Plus the bullet stoppers they have at the far end of the range.

We even thought about going over there to shoot some rounds during lunch. Just never got around to it.

 

[Kable24]

http://youtu.be/Wi6gZU01yF8
Since some people only go by Govt' stats.

 

[Kable24]

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I can never get YouTube links to work, but I suggest people listen to what this young man has to say. He uses common sense. He does a lot of these type of videos and whether you are pro or anti gun listen to his statements.

 

[Hotwire]

http://youtu.be/c4n8egXfmJM

I can never get YouTube links to work, but I suggest people listen to what this young man has to say. He uses common sense. He does a lot of these type of videos and whether you are pro or anti gun listen to his statements.

I'll watch them a little later but, I figured you could use this.

How To Post An Embedded YouTube Video

 

[Kable24]

I'll watch them a little later but, I figured you could use this.

How To Post An Embedded YouTube Video

Thank you. haha

 

[dnno1]

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Since some people only go by Govt' stats.

Sen. Cruz is a little misleading in his statement. The Fienstein bill defines a Semiautomatic Assault Weapon (SAW). The factory made Remington 750 is a semiautomatic rifle with a detachable magazine. It would not be classified as a SAW because it lacks one feature that would make it fall into that category. If you add the pistol grip, the rifle now has the potential to become a functional SAW, since one could then legally remove the factory magazine and add an extended clip as shown:

Remington 750 modified to SAW configuration
(Photoshopped image)

It should be noted that it is not the appearance that makes the device an assault weapon, but its function. Once again, the extended magazine now gives the shooter the ability to fire more rounds (and kill more people) in a short amount of time without stopping to reload. The pistol grip allows him to reduce the effects of recoil and keep the weapon on target. It is not a cosmetic change at all. Finally, Sen. Cruz insists that the measures being proposed are unconstitutional. The real truth of the matter is that the SCOTUS has already weighed in on this issue in Heller and have concluded that though U.S. citizens have the natural right to bear arms to defend themselves and their property, government does have the power to regulate what types of arms you can own.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I never understood why so many black people support gun bans in their own communities. Or perhaps I should say, why so many support politicians who try to ban guns.

Obviously the politicians don't care about people getting murdered in the streets. They get a security detail, and some even have guns themselves (epitome of hypocrisy right there).

But then maybe the politicians want their people to live in fear and disarray, so they can't get organized, and get better representation.

General rule seems to be, the place where you need guns most, they're outlawed.

 

[dnno1]

I never understood why so many black people support gun bans in their own communities. Or perhaps I should say, why so many support politicians who try to ban guns.

Obviously the politicians don't care about people getting murdered in the streets. They get a security detail, and some even have guns themselves (epitome of hypocrisy right there).

But then maybe the politicians want their people to live in fear and disarray, so they can't get organized, and get better representation.

General rule seems to be, the place where you need guns most, they're outlawed.

Because they have seen enough of it to know better. It's a totally different experience for the black community than for everyone else.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Not really sure what you mean by that. I can see why they wouldn't trust the NRA. I know plenty of people who own guns who aren't NRA members. After all, they only have six million members, and there are more than a 100 million gun owners.

If I was a member of a minority group with a long history of persecution and disenfranchisement, I'd want to be armed.

 

[dnno1]

Not really sure what you mean by that. I can see why they wouldn't trust the NRA. I know plenty of people who own guns who aren't NRA members. After all, they only have six million members, and there are more than a 100 million gun owners.

If I was a member of a minority group with a long history of persecution and disenfranchisement, I'd want to be armed.

They have seen a lot as far as racial violence, gang land slayings, drug deals gone bad, home invasion robberies, et. al. A long time ago there were groups who tried to do something about it militantly (i.e. the Black Panthers), but they were easily seen as a threat to society. Today, although there are a lot of back gun owners, there are a very good number who would like to see gun control. What is missing here is their participation (on both sides) in this debate.

 

[Kelly]

If they aren't participating on either side, how do you know that there is a very good number who would like to see gun control?

 

[wiegeabo]

Here's an interesting thought some economists are proposing.

If some states require liability insurance on cars, then why not on guns?

 

[Kelly]

Here's an interesting thought some economists are proposing.

If some states require liability insurance on cars, then why not on guns?

I've stated this as well....sounds like a good idea to me.

 

[wiegeabo]

Here's the article
http://esideout.com/2013/01/31/should-gun-owners-have-to-buy-liability-insurance/

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Here's an interesting thought some economists are proposing.

If some states require liability insurance on cars, then why not on guns?

That's an interesting idea. You'd need a registry to do it, but it would be great to see a whole new sector of the economy pop up, and knowing how many guns there are that would generate a lot of new jobs. It seems like a great idea.

 

[Anita18]

Here's an interesting thought some economists are proposing.

If some states require liability insurance on cars, then why not on guns?

It makes so much sense, but of course the NRA will whine about it.

Also, Mythbusters did a test and you can escape gunfire if you jump into a lake and swim down 3 feet. Water actually slows bullets to a non-lethal speed THAT much.

 

[dnno1]

If they aren't participating on either side, how do you know that there is a very good number who would like to see gun control?

A recent Pew Research Center poll showed that 68% of Black people favored some control of gun ownership. There was also a Gallup poll done back in July that indicated that about 24% of African Americans owned guns. That might be why I gather some do.

 

[samsnee]

Man, Wayne LaPierre just comes off as a dick.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Man, Wayne LaPierre just comes off as a dick.

And so do a lot of the anti-gun nuts. It's all a matter of perspective.

 

[Kelly]

A recent Pew Research Center poll showed that 68% of Black people favored some control of gun ownership. There was also a Gallup poll done back in July that indicated that about 24% of African Americans owned guns. That might be why I gather some do.

Interesting.....I would like to find a breakdown of these groups with numbers who have committed a crime with a gun as well and compare the two. I think that would be interesting to look at as well

 

[Thundercrack85]

I think a lot of people living in the cities need a reality check when it comes to numbers. New Yorkers in particular seem to think only hicks and gangbangers own guns. At least a third of the country is packing something. No one even knows for sure, since in many states you don't need to register.

 

[Kable24]

It makes so much sense, but of course the NRA will whine about it.

Also, Mythbusters did a test and you can escape gunfire if you jump into a lake and swim down 3 feet. Water actually slows bullets to a non-lethal speed THAT much.

It's not that the bullet slows down. It breaks apart. The higher caliber of bullet the faster it breaks apart. I believe the .50 caliber round they fired broke up instantly. That was a good episode. I always like when they do gun myths.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

The one episode I didn't like was them busting Batman scaling a wall.

They could kind of do it, but had a lot of trouble and it took too long, so they said busted.

All I could think was "man, if you pansies hit the gym more you would scale that dinky a** wall no problem".