Discussion: The Second Amendment IV

[Hotwire]

Dude, I'm going by what the NRA and most gun safety experts are instructing civilians to do (most of them aren't in the military). Are you trying to say that the NRA is not an authority on that matter?

You posted a picture of a military weapons inspection. Let's leave the NRA out of it. Besides, at this point, it's been explained to you and you are simply trolling the subject, now.

 

[Hotwire]

That's their preferred method, but there is more than one way to do a barrel inspection.

Yup.

 

[roach]

Dude, I'm going by what the NRA and most gun safety experts are instructing civilians to do (most of them aren't in the military). Are you trying to say that the NRA is not an authority on that matter?

Most NRA and civilians dont do a ceremonial drill inspection.

 

[dnno1]

Most NRA and civilians dont do a ceremonial drill inspection.

Probably since it is not advisable to point a gun in your face.

 

[dnno1]

You posted a picture of a military weapons inspection. Let's leave the NRA out of it. Besides, at this point, it's been explained to you and you are simply trolling the subject, now.

The thing is that the President of the United States, although Commander in Cheif of the military is a civilian and when civilians see a president doing things like that in public it tends to make people develop an interest in that particular activity as well. Pointing a gun at yourself, though would give one an eerie feeling as well as a sense of irony since for the most part you are being instructed to not point a weapon at anyone (even yourself) and yet you have someone actually doing that. You really can't leave the NRA out of this since they had a hand in shaping the culture on that matter.

 

[Hotwire]

Probably since it is not advisable to point a gun in your face.

Just let it go and stop trolling. You are just trying to piss people off with your phoney ignorance.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

The thing is that the President of the United States, although Commander in Cheif of the military is a civilian and when civilians see a president doing things like that in public it tends to make people develop an interest in that particular activity as well. Pointing a gun at yourself, though would give one an eerie feeling as well as a sense of irony since for the most part you are being instructed to not point a weapon at anyone (even yourself) and yet you have someone actually doing that. You really can't leave the NRA out of this since they had a hand in shaping the culture on that matter.

Give it up. That has to be the weakest of all your arguments on here. You've been proven wrong, once again, and you're not pulling anyone along with you on this train of thought. I don't know how many times you have to be wrong to finally say, "I'm not an expert on this topic and shouldn't try to act like I am."

 

[Bill]

In the second video, the narrator removed the barrel completely and then inspected it (from the back end) in the same amount of time (30 seconds). Pretty easy. You should watch the video next time before you post.




A little girl field stripped an AR-15 in 15 seconds. Care to comment on that?

Neither video shows the barrel being removed from the upper receiver. Field stripping does not remove the barrel from the upper receiver. You need to remove the gas tube and have an armorer's tool on hand to remove the barrel nut to actually remove it from the upper receiver. What you saw in the video was the upper and lower receivers being separated and the barrel shroud removed. That's it. You can see that back end of the barrel from the upper receiver, but the barrel itself is never removed. You should understand what you are looking at before you post.

In most of the aforementioned videos with rifles that do not break, the only way to check the barrel is to look down it with the bolt locked back. In the AR, M16 and the picture of the shotgun you posted, you can simply break the weapon and look down the barrel from the breech instead of the muzzle.

 

[Kable24]

In the second video, the narrator removed the barrel completely and then inspected it (from the back end) in the same amount of time (30 seconds). Pretty easy. You should watch the video next time before you post.




A little girl field stripped an AR-15 in 15 seconds. Care to comment on that?

Yeah, the barrel is never removed from the upper receiver. See to remove a barrel you need a vice, vice block and this tool.

How do I know this? Because I've done it plenty of times. But of course you are more educated on the subject so please tell me more Sam Colt.

 

[Destructus86]

There's so much ironry with the steps the government is taking. By increasing gun control (or rather...government control over people) they've actually increased the amount of people buying guns...which means even more people own them now.

That's what happens when you try to slap laws on problems that are not fixed with laws.

 

[dnno1]

Neither video shows the barrel being removed from the upper receiver. Field stripping does not remove the barrel from the upper receiver. You need to remove the gas tube and have an armorer's tool on hand to remove the barrel nut to actually remove it from the upper receiver. What you saw in the video was the upper and lower receivers being separated and the barrel shroud removed. That's it. You can see that back end of the barrel from the upper receiver, but the barrel itself is never removed. You should understand what you are looking at before you post.

In most of the aforementioned videos with rifles that do not break, the only way to check the barrel is to look down it with the bolt locked back. In the AR, M16 and the picture of the shotgun you posted, you can simply break the weapon and look down the barrel from the breech instead of the muzzle.

The original question was what other way was there to inspect the barrel of a gun safely. When the upper receiver assembly and barrel groups of an AR-15 are separated from the lower receiver and the bolt retainer is extracted all you have is a hollow pipe that can be safe to visually inspect. As a an added safety measure you look from the chamber side (the back end) through the barrel or just shine a light through it. The fact that the upper receiver is still attached is not relevant since the gun can not fire.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

I'm pretty sure very few Presidents are dumb enough to shoot themselves in the face, Harry S. Truman included.

 

[dnno1]

I'm pretty sure very few Presidents are dumb enough to shoot themselves in the face, Harry S. Truman included.

Dick Cheney could have been President.

 

[Hotwire]

The original question was what other way was there to inspect the barrel of a gun safely. When the upper receiver assembly and barrel groups of an AR-15 are separated from the lower receiver and the bolt retainer is extracted all you have is a hollow pipe that can be safe to visually inspect. As a an added safety measure you look from the chamber side (the back end) through the barrel or just shine a light through it. The fact that the upper receiver is still attached is not relevant since the gun can not fire.

My point was that to visually inspect the barrel, you have to look down it. And, I've told you, before the rifle is handed off, it is secured so that it cannot fire.

Again, you are trying to prove wrong the people who know what they're talking about.

Why? Why can you not accept that, admit you're wrong, and move on?

 

[Hotwire]

Dick Cheney could have been President.

Cheney's an a**hole but, he's far from stupid.

 

[Kable24]

Dick Cheney could have been President.

Cheney didn't shoot himself either.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

My point was that to visually inspect the barrel, you have to look down it. And, I've told you, before the rifle is handed off, it is secured so that it cannot fire.

Again, you are trying to prove wrong the people who know what they're talking about.

Why? Why can you not accept that, admit you're wrong, and move on?

I'm also pretty sure no member of the military would hand his boss a loaded weapon as a prank, no matter who they voted for. I'm pretty sure the punishment for "accidentally killing the President" isn't pleasant.

Cheney's an a**hole but, he's far from stupid.

Cheney didn't shoot himself either.

Yeah, as I recall George and Dick never went hunting together. Maybe ole' Bushy was smarter than we give him credit for.

"Oh look at that! Whoops! Guess I'm President now".

 

[dnno1]

My point was that to visually inspect the barrel, you have to look down it. And, I've told you, before the rifle is handed off, it is secured so that it cannot fire.

Again, you are trying to prove wrong the people who know what they're talking about.

Why? Why can you not accept that, admit you're wrong, and move on?

This still doesn't change the fact that a civilian pointing a gun (loaded or unloaded) at his face in this day and age is not ironic.

 

[Kable24]

I'm also pretty sure no member of the military would hand his boss a loaded weapon as a prank, no matter who they voted for. I'm pretty sure the punishment for "accidentally killing the President" isn't pleasant.



Yeah, as I recall George and Dick never went hunting together. Maybe ole' Bushy was smarter than we give him credit for.

"Oh look at that! Whoops! Guess I'm President now".

With all the heart troubles Dick had would you want to carry that out of the woods if he dropped over? Although the proper way to carry a deer out is to gut it first, so it's lighter and doesn't start to sour the meat if the paunch/gut was penetrated. Right Dnno1? Or is there a Wiki or Youtube page telling me that is wrong as well?

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

This still doesn't change the fact that a civilian pointing a gun (loaded or unloaded) at his face in this day and age is not ironic.

The President is not a civilian. He certainly isn't treated like one. He is a citizen, but he is also a member of our armed forces. In fact, he's not only a member, he's the President of it.

 

[Kelly]

Actually he is Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Actually he is Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.

Yeah, that's what I said.

 

[Hotwire]

This still doesn't change the fact that a civilian pointing a gun (loaded or unloaded) at his face in this day and age is not ironic.

I'm guessing your goal is to troll us all until we give up arguing with you so you can go have a little party to celebrate your imagined victory.

 

[dnno1]

The President is not a civilian. He certainly isn't treated like one. He is a citizen, but he is also a member of our armed forces. In fact, he's not only a member, he's the President of it.

Actually, he is. The framers of the Constitution were particular about the fact that they did not want a military head for the armed forces. Although the President of the United States is Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces and the Militia, he is a civilian.

 

[Bill]

The original question was what other way was there to inspect the barrel of a gun safely. When the upper receiver assembly and barrel groups of an AR-15 are separated from the lower receiver and the bolt retainer is extracted all you have is a hollow pipe that can be safe to visually inspect. As a an added safety measure you look from the chamber side (the back end) through the barrel or just shine a light through it. The fact that the upper receiver is still attached is not relevant since the gun can not fire.

It depends on the rifle. The M1 in the picture you posted of the President does not break. The breech is checked twice, by the soldier and the inspecting officer, before looking down the muzzle. That is the only way to look down the barrel for that particular rifle.

And you're still wrong about the barrel of an AR being easy to remove.