Discussion: The Tea Party

[BlackLantern]

hell Id take the Green Party at this point, but they aren't as good at the fear mongering that the Tea Party seems to be

 

[Pink Ranger]

The Green Tea Party. For rightwing environmentalists. Not such a farfetched concept, really.

 

[StorminNorman]

so why do I always have the feeling that there are racial undertones to this "movement"?? that if they had their way us darkies would be relegated to the back of busses and separate restrooms

Because you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the movement.

It's quite strange really - you are right about most things politically, but so wrong on this.

 

[Youk]

Also, the Koch brothers are badass libertarians.

translation, corrupt billionaires who are obsessed with money.

 

[Kelly]

Because you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the movement.

It's quite strange really - you are right about most things politically, but so wrong on this.

Norman, I'm really getting tired of these types of posts....over the past month you have turned into someone that thinks and posts as if you are FAR AND ABOVE everyone's intellect here when it comes to politics....

You know that I'm proud of all that you have accomplished at such a young age.....but REALLY, these posts are extremely disrespectful, and seem to be coming more and more often. Do what you do best, prove your point, when you do that, there is no need to tell someone else they know nothing....SHOW, that you know something.

But, really this disrespectful posting is getting very annoying....it does not show higher intellect on your part, not at all....

 

[BlackLantern]

translation, corrupt billionaires who are obsessed with money.

politics aside, its better than being a poor principled schlub living out of his car

(which I have done before, not fun)

 

[StorminNorman]

What's the proper way of correcting someone who describes the grass as blue, or the sky as green?

There isn't room for misinterpretation here - the Tea Party has elected black men to Congress and agrees ideologically with just about everything BL has stated he agrees with.

Yet, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary, he continues to play the "Tea Party is racist card".

This isn't me jumping on a poster who made a comment I disagree with - this is me jumping on a poster who has regularly made the same statement over and over again in spite of evidence to the contrary.

A similar example of this was Marx today in the GOP thread and his "Sarah Palin is a far right winger" BS.

The intent is not disrespect for the sake of disrespect - it never is. BL is one of my all-time favorite posters on the Hype, mad respect for him (as I note, he is typically right).

As far as the "show it" comment, I have. Repeatedly. For two years now. If this was the first exchange between BL and I, I would have done the full treatment of demonstrating why he is wrong. Take Youk for example - when he came in sounding like dnn0, did I treat him like I do dnno? No. I gave him the full treatment. I took the time to demonstrate why he, like dnno, was misinformed. Now he has revealed himself to be someone not interest in listening to reason, and so I don't bother anymore, but I always give everyone a fair shake.

 

[Kelly]

Give your opinion, prove YOUR POINT.....when you do that, it will show itself to be the counter, and if given respectfully and knowledgeably it will on its own show the other opinion to be wrong.

 

[BlackLantern]

I just think its a perception issue....when Ive seen various Tea Party rallies on various news channels and all Im seeing is middle aged white people holding signs that have the President depicted as a monkey or dressed like Osama Bin Laden, it makes one question the motivation

I have never had these questions or concerns towards the Green Party or any other movement that has tried to break the two party stalemate in this country

 

[Youk]

politics aside, its better than being a poor principled schlub living out of his car

(which I have done before, not fun)

So the only options in life are to be a corrupt billionaire or a principled schlub living out of his car? Being a corrupt billionaire is also better than being a cancer victim, go figure.

 

[StorminNorman]

I will say that I go over the top with DA, but that's only because he embodies perfectly the mainstream academic which I view so harmful to the country. DA deserves respect, because he brings his A-Game.

Now of course his "Game" is based on a false historical narrative, but at least he can defend himself.

 

[StorminNorman]

So the only options in life are to be a corrupt billionaire or a principled schlub living out of his car? Being a corrupt billionaire is also better than being a cancer victim, go figure.

Explain why the Koch's are corrupt.

 

[Youk]

Explain why the Koch's are corrupt.

did you even read the article i posted?

 

[Kelly]

I will say that I go over the top with DA, but that's only because he embodies perfectly the mainstream academic which I view so harmful to the country. DA deserves respect, because he brings his A-Game.

Now of course his "Game" is based on a false historical narrative, but at least he can defend himself.

When someone is not backing up their opinion, its obvious Norman, we don't need you to tell everyone that disagrees with you that they are wrong. They can prove that on their own... we can make our own decision on who is or is not correct in their opinion. You are not the all knowledgeable politico here.....we all have our opinions and choose to debate them to the fullest extent, or simply just give our opinion. You are becoming a conservative Jman......and its pretty annoying.


"here is why I believe your ideas, your ideology, your WHATEVER to be incorrect, wrong, not workable, not sustainable, etc....etc....etc. And then PROVE YOUR POINT.

 

[BlackLantern]

So the only options in life are to be a corrupt billionaire or a principled schlub living out of his car? Being a corrupt billionaire is also better than being a cancer victim, go figure.

Not what I meant....now Im only halfway schlubby, but not too principled

 

[StorminNorman]

did you even read the article i posted?

Yes. Spending money to promote your politics isn't corrupt.

When someone is not backing up their opinion, its obvious Norman, we don't need you to tell everyone that disagrees with you that they are wrong. They can prove that on their own... we can make our own decision on who is or is not correct in their opinion. You are not the all knowledgeable politico here.....we all have our opinions and choose to debate them to the fullest extent, or simply just give our opinion. You are becoming a conservative Jman......and its pretty annoying.

Not everyone who disagrees with me as wrong, people who are incorrect about facts are wrong.

I was giving the most honest answer to BL's question that is possible: Why does BL feel uncomfortable about the Tea Party? Because he misunderstands the Tea Party. That is the answer. Period. It's not the answer because that's my opinion - but because that's what really is there.

The article Matt posted from Cracked touches on this. Why do certain people view the Tea Party as a bunch of complete nuts? Because that's what certain parts of the media has presented them. Their perception is based off of a fundamental misunderstanding.

I have no problem admitting when I am wrong, and if that was the first such post of BL's that I had responded to - the point you are making is more than valid. But, again, after I have personally spent months proving the lack of racism in the Tea Party - there is no other response that I have for that sort of comment.

The reality here is that the movement that BL feels uncomfortable with would support him if he ran a campaign advocating the policy he advocates on here.

 

[StorminNorman]

The problem here is with the lack of new blood in the forum. You can only repeat yourself to the same people so many times.

 

[Kelly]

It is happening more often Norman, I only choose BL's to make the point.

Look, it is up to you.......take the advice or don't, doesn't really matter to me. I didn't warning infract, it's not in my usual "warning bold" I am simply commenting on what I see happening. It comes across as disrespectful, and in my opinion weakens what in many cases is a good argument from you.....

That's all......just calling it as I see it.

 

[StorminNorman]

Honestly you are probably right about it undermining my argument, which is my greatest regret. I think I am one of the few exposures many posters on here, like BL, get to my ideology and I need to do a better job at taking that into account.

The problem here is that the utility of this forum of late has been of anger management rather than enlightenment. I am aware that I have become an increasingly larger ass, but often it's because I am venting.

The J-Man comment stung, but that's mainly because it's not undeserved.

 

[Youk]

Yes. Spending money to promote your politics isn't corrupt.

no, but knowingly polluting because it would cut into their profits to do it the right way is pretty damn corrupt. the same with using their extraordinary wealth and influence to present a warped narrative that benefits them financially.

 

[StorminNorman]

I don't think it is corrupt to work against government attempts to regulate your industry, no. Nor do I think it is corrupt to attempt to convince others of your own political view.

 

[Kelly]

Honestly you are probably right about it undermining my argument, which is my greatest regret. I think I am one of the few exposures many posters on here, like BL, get to my ideology and I need to do a better job at taking that into account.

The problem here is that the utility of this forum of late has been of anger management rather than enlightenment. I am aware that I have become an increasingly larger ass, but often it's because I am venting.

The J-Man comment stung, but that's mainly because it's not undeserved.

Norman, I TOTALLY AGREE with you, TOTALLY.....BL and I have had some discussion on this very thing in PMs....and it wasn't until we ended the discussion that I really began to think about what he said....

My ONLY desire is that opinions are given FREELY, AND RESPECTFULLY....I want passionate debate STRONG PASSIONATE DEBATE, as long as that passion does not demean someone else, doesn't turn into a Hannity and Colmes UNINTELLIGENT (they did it, so we can do it too) debate....we are discussing some of these very issues in the mod forum right now.....and I hope that we can come up with the best direction to take this forum.

I appreciate your debate, you know that, but I appreciate it so much more when it is done in an intelligent, respectful manner. Passion can be shown PASSIONATELY, without being demeaning. That IMO, is the strongest debate, and the most fun to watch. PLEASE, DO NOT EVER STOP DEBATING DA, THOSE ARE MY FAVORITE DEBATES to read.

 

[Youk]

I don't think it is corrupt to work against government attempts to regulate your industry, no. Nor do I think it is corrupt to attempt to convince others of your own political view.

you're just trying to rationalize people doing bad things to gain money. i'm not surprised. when a large corporation can harm citizens and communities with their policies then we definitely need to regulate them.

 

[StorminNorman]

you're just trying to rationalize people doing bad things to gain money. i'm not surprised. when a large corporation can harm citizens and communities with their policies then we definitely need to regulate them.

Because if it's one thing history has taught us, it's that government can't harm citizens and communities.

 

[Youk]

Because if it's one thing history has taught us, it's that government can't harm citizens and communities.

of course they can, but they're accountable to the voters. corporations aren't held accountable by the public. if they do something that pollutes a whole town they'll deny it and hide behind an army of lawyers or settle out of court because they can afford to, while looking for other ways to get around the rules that protect the public from them.