Discussion: WikiLeaks

[Marx]

I just heard that Assange has landed a million dollar book deal...

 

[BlackLantern]

no surprise there

 

[Schlosser85]

I just heard that Assange has landed a million dollar book deal...

The movie can't be far behind.

 

[Kelly]

He doesn't want to write the according to him, but he has to in order to pay his legal bills...

Wow, him and Sarah have something in common, how strange.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Web attack takes Anonymous activists offline

The notorious message board 4Chan has been taken offline by an overwhelming web attack. The attack might be retaliation for similar attacks that some 4Chan members, as part of the Anonymous group, mounted in support of Wikileaks.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12090245

 

[StorminNorman]

I love the online war going on.

 

[Kelly]

Damn 4chan......karma's a *****....lol

 

[Marx]

UPDATE: WIKILEAKS' COLLABORATOR SPEAKS OUT
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/democracy-now/icelandic-parliamentarian_b_809163.html

 

[BlackLantern]

Web attack takes Anonymous activists offline

The notorious message board 4Chan has been taken offline by an overwhelming web attack. The attack might be retaliation for similar attacks that some 4Chan members, as part of the Anonymous group, mounted in support of Wikileaks.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12090245

didn't 4chan refere to this as the first online war?? well usually war has two sides, if not more

welcome to the war, 4chan

what ya got now?

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Anonymous urges global protests


A group of self-styled internet freedom fighters have called for a global day of action in protest at attempts to close down Wikileaks. These are planned for major cities around the world on 15 January. "The internet needs champions and we will rise...We are Anonymous and so are you. Stand up and fight. Every city, everywhere," the video message said.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12191486

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Swiss banker linked to Wikileaks is found guilty

A former Swiss banker who said he gave Wikileaks details of rich tax evaders has been found guilty of breaching Switzerland's strict bank secrecy laws.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12231036

 

[Kelly]

holy crap.....that is HUGE for Switzerland.....they have built an entire economy on that secrecy....holy crap.

 

[Marx]

UPDATE: WIKILEAKS' SUSPECT FILES 'MISTREATMENT' CLAIM IN JAIL
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/21/us.wikileaks.manning/index.html?hpt=T2

 

[Kelly]

He's probably having internet withdrawal and they are not giving him his drugs....

 

[Violet Lantern]

Julian Assange is my hero.

**** Obama and Hillary on the war in Afghanistan. I'm with Obama on a lot of domestic issues but he is a typical war mongering American President.

 

[Marx]

Julian Assange is my hero.

**** Obama and Hillary on the war in Afghanistan. I'm with Obama on a lot of domestic issues but he is a typical war mongering American President.

He's such a 'typical warmonger' that he has taken troop levels down in Iraq and refocused the war in Afghanistan? President Obama did not ask for either of these wars and he is doing what he can to end them as soon as possible. That is hardly a 'warmonger'.

 

[Violet Lantern]

He's such a 'typical warmonger' that he has taken troop levels down in Iraq and refocused the war in Afghanistan? President Obama did not ask for either of these wars and he is doing what he can to end them as soon as possible. That is hardly a 'warmonger'.

I believe he's allowing American troops to continue dying in Afghanistan in an unnecessary war. All because he doesn't have the political backbone to stand up to the military on this. He's a Democrat, and *gasp* a Liberal so he has to prove he can be a a war monger too so no one thinks he's a wussy. It sounds juvenile and stupid because it is juvenile and stupid. It's nothing but crass political motivation(and miscalculated IMO, at that).

Less than 100 Al Queda in Afghanistan. There's a lot more of them in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia than Afghanistan.

He is also keeping up extraordinary rendition of prisoners to countries that torture and he continues to order the assassinations of U.S. citizens abroad without any form of due process. He also refuses to close Guantanamo Bay. So far he is really no better than Bush was on foreign policy, IMO except for perhaps one area. He seems to be a LITTLE more fair an arbiter in the Israel/Palestine conflict. But hell so was George H.W. Bush and he invaded Panama and his State Department helped provoke Iraq into invading Kuwait. Sure, you can go on in, the U.S. will consider it a regional matter.... HOW DARE YOU INVADE KUWAIT!! WE ARE SHOCKED THAT ANY INVADING IS GOING ON HERE AT THIS ESTABLISHMENT!

 

[BlackLantern]

so HBO is doing a movie on Assange now??

hmmm to be expected

I wonder what else might come out

 

[Marx]

I believe he's allowing American troops to continue dying in Afghanistan in an unnecessary war. All because he doesn't have the political backbone to stand up to the military on this. He's a Democrat, and *gasp* a Liberal so he has to prove he can be a a war monger too so no one thinks he's a wussy. It sounds juvenile and stupid because it is juvenile and stupid. It's nothing but crass political motivation(and miscalculated IMO, at that).

The Afghan War was entirely justified. Progress is being made there, albeit much slower than anyone would like. This war is also winding down. It's just a matter of time.

Less than 100 Al Queda in Afghanistan. There's a lot more of them in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia than Afghanistan.

Does this mean that you are railing against warmongers but advocating opening up wars in three more countries?

He is also keeping up extraordinary rendition of prisoners to countries that torture and he continues to order the assassinations of U.S. citizens abroad without any form of due process. He also refuses to close Guantanamo Bay. So far he is really no better than Bush was on foreign policy, IMO except for perhaps one area. He seems to be a LITTLE more fair an arbiter in the Israel/Palestine conflict. But hell so was George H.W. Bush and he invaded Panama and his State Department helped provoke Iraq into invading Kuwait. Sure, you can go on in, the U.S. will consider it a regional matter.... HOW DARE YOU INVADE KUWAIT!! WE ARE SHOCKED THAT ANY INVADING IS GOING ON HERE AT THIS ESTABLISHMENT!

Where is your proof of rendition?

You do realize that he signed an executive order to close Gitmo, right? The problem is what to do with the people that are there. It has absolutely nothing to do with him 'refusing to close it'.

He's no better on foreign policy than George W. Bush? I really think you need to look back at the Bush years. President W Bush's foreign policy was 'BOMB and ask questions later'.

 

[Violet Lantern]

Julian Assange Swedish-made penis enlarger pumps?

 

[Kelly]

I believe he's allowing American troops to continue dying in Afghanistan in an unnecessary war. All because he doesn't have the political backbone to stand up to the military on this. He's a Democrat, and *gasp* a Liberal so he has to prove he can be a a war monger too so no one thinks he's a wussy. It sounds juvenile and stupid because it is juvenile and stupid. It's nothing but crass political motivation(and miscalculated IMO, at that).

Less than 100 Al Queda in Afghanistan. There's a lot more of them in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia than Afghanistan.

He is also keeping up extraordinary rendition of prisoners to countries that torture and he continues to order the assassinations of U.S. citizens abroad without any form of due process. He also refuses to close Guantanamo Bay. So far he is really no better than Bush was on foreign policy, IMO except for perhaps one area. He seems to be a LITTLE more fair an arbiter in the Israel/Palestine conflict. But hell so was George H.W. Bush and he invaded Panama and his State Department helped provoke Iraq into invading Kuwait. Sure, you can go on in, the U.S. will consider it a regional matter.... HOW DARE YOU INVADE KUWAIT!! WE ARE SHOCKED THAT ANY INVADING IS GOING ON HERE AT THIS ESTABLISHMENT!

Everyone around here knows that I am against both wars, have been from the start....I have always believed that the outcome we wanted could have been done without sending troops.....BUT.....we are there now, and as much as I would love for us to just "up and leave" Iraq and Afghanistan....that just isn't in the cards as of yet.

As far as Gitmo? I think he had the right idea going in, but once he got there he saw the REALITY OF THE SITUATION AS IT IS....and as many have stated....where do you send them, their own countries don't want them, and the recidivism rate of these guys going back into the field of war is huge....so something else has to happen.


What Obama found once he was in office is what ALL PRESIDENTS find....the promises they made campaigning are not necessarily the reality they have to live with once they are in office. I call it their "WTF moment"...

 

[Violet Lantern]

The Afghan War was entirely justified. Progress is being made there, albeit much slower than anyone would like. This war is also winding down. It's just a matter of time.

It was justified going in after Bin Laden at the time. It's pretty well known that he is in PAKISTAN however, and al Queda is not headquartered in Afghanistan. There is ZERO reason for American boys and girls to be losing their lives there right now. And the American people increasingly agree with me on this particular subject.

Does this mean that you are railing against warmongers but advocating opening up wars in three more countries?

That's not what I said at all and you know it. I was simply pointing out we have more reasons to be in those places than Afghanistan.

Where is your proof of rendition?

I'm not going to provide proof for something that has been so extensively covered in the news.

You do realize that he signed an executive order to close Gitmo, right? The problem is what to do with the people that are there. It has absolutely nothing to do with him 'refusing to close it'.

I think that's all a BS copout.

He's no better on foreign policy than George W. Bush? I really think you need to look back at the Bush years. President W Bush's foreign policy was 'BOMB and ask questions later'.

He's just as bad on wanting to curtail our rights here at home. His admin. issues as many or more denials to requests made under FOIA, Freedom of Information Act, as the Bush admin. did. And the Obama admin. supports the renewal of the PATRIOT ACT. He is still having us fight in an unnecessary war abroad, wasting lives and treasure. He still is taking a COMPLETELY un-Constitutional, Draconian stance in regard to the rights of U.S. citizens abroad.

 

[BlackLantern]

Everyone around here knows that I am against both wars, have been from the start....I have always believed that the outcome we wanted could have been done without sending troops.....BUT.....we are there now, and as much as I would love for us to just "up and leave" Iraq and Afghanistan....that just isn't in the cards as of yet.

As far as Gitmo? I think he had the right idea going in, but once he got there he saw the REALITY OF THE SITUATION AS IT IS....and as many have stated....where do you send them, their own countries don't want them, and the recidivism rate of these guys going back into the field of war is huge....so something else has to happen.


What Obama found once he was in office is what ALL PRESIDENTS find....the promises they made campaigning are not necessarily the reality they have to live with once they are in office. I call it their "WTF moment"...

yup....happens every 4 or 8 years....you sit behind that desk, see behind the curtain, and realize all those plans you made mean f*** all

 

[Violet Lantern]

As far as Gitmo? I think he had the right idea going in, but once he got there he saw the REALITY OF THE SITUATION AS IT IS....and as many have stated....where do you send them, their own countries don't want them, and the recidivism rate of these guys going back into the field of war is huge....so something else has to happen.


What Obama found once he was in office is what ALL PRESIDENTS find....the promises they made campaigning are not necessarily the reality they have to live with once they are in office. I call it their "WTF moment"...

I call it his "I'm a coward" moment. It's sad he doesn't have the cojones to trust our justice system.

 

[BlackLantern]

our justice system has nothing to do with it, nor should it

they aren't US citizens, their own countries don't want them, and we can't just cut them loose in any random place we choose