Disney to pull films from Netflix and start its own streaming service

[Darepool]

It'll be interesting to see what they come up with, particularly for original content.

 

[jmc]

Honestly, I think Disney are overestimating how many people would actually want this service. The beauty of a service like Netflix or Amazon is it's a one stop shop for most people like what iTunes is for music. If other studios follow suit and make all their content exclusive to their own streaming services you're looking at people having to spend as much money as they would for regular pay-tv, and most people are looking to cord cut. As far as I'm concerned Disney would have to offer this service ridiculously cheap to entice people to try it.

 

[Gold Samurai]

That's like paying for each cable channel individually instead of say $70 dollars for cable all together

All disneys

All Cartoon Network

All food network

All TLC

For example

 

[Darepool]

Honestly, I think Disney are overestimating how many people would actually want this service. The beauty of a service like Netflix or Amazon is it's a one stop shop for most people like what iTunes is for music. If other studios follow suit and make all their content exclusive to their own streaming services you're looking at people having to spend as much money as they would for regular pay-tv, and most people are looking to cord cut. As far as I'm concerned Disney would have to offer this service ridiculously cheap to entice people to try it.

I think they'll need kick-a$$ original content, otherwise it won't be a player long term. New shows & movies made specifically for the platform, etc. A major investment of content.

 

[_Superman_]

I think they'll need kick-a$$ original content, otherwise it won't be a player long term. New shows & movies made specifically for the platform, etc. A major investment of content.

The only way they could do that is if they took the Disney Channel off TV.

 

[writer0327]

I think they'll need kick-a$$ original content, otherwise it won't be a player long term. New shows & movies made specifically for the platform, etc. A major investment of content.

Are you kidding? Enough people love old Disney material that there is a huge market for this type of service. The original content is just a bonus. Imagine if it releases every TV show, every cartoon, and eventually stream some of their classics.... lots of people will line up and pay serious money for this.

 

[Darepool]

Certainly, but that would all depend on the price point.

I think their reading the tea leaves somewhat and projecting what will happen in the future. Like network TV eventually being the hub for talk shows, infomercials, news and reality TV, while all scripted content is found on cable/streaming services. Or in 10 -15 years, a lot of the stuff you see on ABC currently would be debuting on this service. And original content as a whole just isn't stuff based on existing IP's like Marvel, Star Wars etc, but actual 'original' content. So much is still unknown at this point.

 

[Limonade]

I think they'll need kick-a$$ original content, otherwise it won't be a player long term. New shows & movies made specifically for the platform, etc. A major investment of content.

It's not like Disney hasn't been putting out original content for TV anyhow.

Besides... The Walt Disney Company and it's subsidiaries has been putting out content since 1923. Almost 100 years.

Content is not at all an issue and we all know that.

 

[psylockolussus]

I think this is good for Disney fanboys. All the Pixar, Disney animated canon, Star Wars, Marvel films and their entire film catalogue. Though I Already own most of their films that I want to see in physical format so eh.

 

[terry78]

My dream of binging every Pixar short all at once while eating Cookie Crisp from the box will be a reality.

 

[_Superman_]

The only way this will be good IMO is if they don't remove them after a while like they did with Netflix and like how they do with their classic movies. Meaning you always keep Peter Pan and Snow White and etc up there and available. Because if you only keep them up there for a limited time then it is pointless. All I am hoping for is WB/DC jumps on this and makes and exclusive deal with Netflix and moves all their content over to them and starts developing more shows with them.

 

[Teelie]

If you think Disney won't pull their same "vault" ******** with this website then by all means sign up for them and see how long it takes before they start rotating out content because of artificial claims about limited space or bandwidth or demand.

 

[marvelrobbins]

my attiture is screw disney.like i am with cbs.and at least they allow netflix to keep prime trek shows there.it will come to point whee every studio has own streaming service and it's a fu to customers.

if netflix isn't good enough for disney,lucasfilm and marvel films why don't marvel end their tv productions with netflix.

 

[_Superman_]

If you think Disney won't pull their same "vault" ******** with this website then by all means sign up for them and see how long it takes before they start rotating out content because of artificial claims about limited space or bandwidth or demand.

Correct

my attiture is screw disney.like i am with cbs.and at least they allow netflix to keep prime trek shows there.it will come to point whee every studio has own streaming service and it's a fu to customers.

if netflix isn't good enough for disney,lucasfilm and marvel films why don't marvel end their tv productions with netflix.

And I'm sure that's coming which is why I say D.C. needs to jump on this now.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Correct

And I'm sure that's coming which is why I say D.C. needs to jump on this now.

if disney is going to pul it.so should wb.they have tons of films and tv shows with dc alone.everything superman and batman related on one service would attract people.

i feel way it's going netflix as streaming and hulu may go out of busness since we are likely heading towards every studio having their own streaming service.

since i believe time warner owns hbo a wb streaming service could include hbo shows too.

 

[jmc]

I think you guys are jumping the gun. Every studio having their own streaming service is going to be very unappealing to most people. They want to pay a one time fee a month and have access to the biggest and most diverse library as possible. No-one is going to want to pay for so many services especially those who no longer want to be paying pay-tv prices.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I think you guys are jumping the gun. Every studio having their own streaming service is going to be very unappealing to most people. They want to pay a one time fee a month and have access to the biggest and most diverse library as possible. No-one is going to want to pay for so many services especially those who no longer want to be paying pay-tv prices.

we are heading that way.disney and cbs both are doing it.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Correct

And I'm sure that's coming which is why I say D.C. needs to jump on this now.

Son, WB/DC is already doing a lame thing like this with TITANS. I'm sure as hell aint paying for that either.

 

[jmc]

we are heading that way.disney and cbs both are doing it.

That doesn't mean it's going to work.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I think you guys are jumping the gun. Every studio having their own streaming service is going to be very unappealing to most people. They want to pay a one time fee a month and have access to the biggest and most diverse library as possible. No-one is going to want to pay for so many services especially those who no longer want to be paying pay-tv prices.

I think it can work with Disney. They have a specific brand identity that other studios lack along with some MAJOR franchises (like Star Wars, Marvel, and their animated films). Disney also has a solid base among children that can support something like this. There is a specific and large market for Disney stuff.

I don't think streaming services from the other studios would generate anywhere near the same interest.

 

[_Superman_]

I think it can work with Disney. They have a specific brand identity that other studios lack along with some MAJOR franchises (like Star Wars, Marvel, and their animated films). Disney also has a solid base among children that can support something like this. There is a specific and large market for Disney stuff.

I don't think streaming services from the other studios would generate anywhere near the same interest.

Tell that to nickeloden. If they did something like this I think they'll give Disney a run for their money.

 

[Matt]

we are heading that way.disney and cbs both are doing it.

So it seems that marvelrobbins is spreading misinformation in this thread as well. I will just use the post from the Defenders subforum to clarify why he is wrong, why Netflix and Hulu are perfectly safe, and why individual company streaming sources will probably continue to be, at least somewhat, a niche market.

let's see how much longer sony remains in exsistce.while i am no fan of homecoming the idea of putting spider-man in mcu while they try to do shared universe with other spider-man related charatcers where spider-man will never be seen or mentioned inless sony parts ways with disney after homecoming sequel is complete idiotcy.also these characters can never be used for spider-man films if the sony/disney deal continues.

since fox will never give up X-men you will never see X-men merchadize again.we will have to see what shape franchise is in after kinberg does dark phoenix.before long it may be turned into deadpool & X-force franchise.

if people really think disney will launch their own streaming service and will contune indefently working with netflix on tv shows i have car to sell them cbs is allowing star trek to remain on netlfix because netflix is distributing discovery internationly.

this is terrable news for fans out there.because it is first step towards every studio having own streaming.netflix and hulu may eventully be forced out of streaming business.

This post is melodramatic and misinformed.

Firstly, you don't seem to understand the nature of what Hulu is. Hulu is not a business in the traditional sense. Hulu is a joint venture between Disney, Fox, NBC-Universal, and Turner. It makes no sense for them to stop providing content to Hulu. One such reason is that all of the companies have invested considerable monies and resources in Hulu. Pulling out of Hulu just flushes their investment down the drain. Further, Hulu makes them money through ad-revenue and subscriptions (rather than licensing fees). Also, it serves as a cable-alternative (something individual streaming services cannot do due to limited content). Its actually leading the charge of cable-alternatives. My point is, if Hulu folds, they all lose money.

And its not like one of the four can get out by selling their shares and let the others crumble. Its not a publicly traded company. Its a joint venture. Which means there is likely restrictions on one's ability to sell without approval of the others. Moreover, there would be no market for it. No investor would buy Disney's 30 % of Hulu (or any of the others') because such would indicate that Disney is about to pull content. If Disney were to do that, the others would as well and Hulu would become worthless. Why would any investor buy something when buying it literally makes what they have spent hundreds of millions of dollars on worthless?

Secondly, Netflix will be just fine. Netflix is moving away from streaming other people's movies and shows by design. Netflix's business model is intentionally pivoting. Netflix does not want to pay licensing fees that they have to re-up on every few years when they can, for the same cost, produce original content. Netflix is focusing on film and television distribution. That's their long-term plan. Not streaming stuff from other companies. That is why there has been such a drop in quality of non-original content on Netflix (at this point limited to a few A-list movies and then a bunch of old B and C-list stuff).

That said, Disney cannot unilaterally take shows like The Defenders, Daredevil and Jessica Jones off of Netflix. Disney can choose not to re-license their movies and ABC TV shows every year or two. But the first-run deal would be structured differently than a simple licensing fee agreement. Its more akin to a television network having distribution rights. Those are long-term contracts that Disney cannot simply break. Plus, why would they want to? If a production company has rights licensed to NBC and the show is very successful, the company isn't going to risk pulling it to move it to ABC and losing the audience (making it worthless).

Moreover, Disney would not want to totally burn their bridges with Netflix. No studio would. Netflix has something way too valuable: international distribution capabilities. Disney is making a domestic streaming service. Just like CBS. International streaming is a whole different ball game. There are so many hoops one must jump through to setup and maintain international streaming services. Netflix already has that in place in over 100 countries. That's why CBS is using Netflix for foreign distribution of Star Trek Discovery. Even for a massive entertainment conglomerate like National Amusements (which owns CBS, Viacom, Paramount, and others), international streaming is a massive undertaking. That simple fact is no less true for Disney.

Moreover, at the end of the day, aside from being a massive undertaking, its not a terribly profitable one. Due to restrictions, regulations, and lack of consumer purchase power in many foreign countries, international distribution just isn't that profitable. At least not for a company acting unilaterally (and therefore with limited content). It makes far more business sense for them to simply let Netflix serve as the go-to international streamer. It is profitable for Netflix because they don't have to worry about splitting the market and have tons of content from all major studios. No other company has that luxury of being a neutral distributor (that is to say, Fox isn't about to license their content to Disney to distribute or vice-versa). Netflix can do just that and that is why they can afford to keep an international model and turn a profit. So those companies just let Netflix do they heave lifting as they collect the licensing fees.

As such, Disney will be hesitant to totally burn any bridge with Netflix because DISNEY doesn't want to be blacklisted from international streaming by Netflix.

So yeah, none of those companies are going anywhere. The future of streaming is fine. Also, Sony is just fine. Their stocks have been steadily rising for the past 5 years. They never bounced back entirely from their post-9/11 market crash, but they aren't about to go under either. If anything, cable is what is in danger.

Finally, for the love of God dude, use spaces after your periods and begin sentences with capital letters. Your posts are already impossible to read due to their incoherent/misinformed nature...factor in the grammatical problems and its just awful. The shift key is your friend.

What we're ultimately going to see over the next ten or so years is the destruction of traditional cable. We've already seen HBO offer its standalone service and we are seeing companies like Hulu and Comcast begin to allow users to subscribe to individual networks (and their streaming services) rather than entire cable packages. That is the way of the future. And you will likely see what are traditional cable companies (like Comcast) serve as vendors for this, where people can make their own cable packages. And its likely that by subscribing to a network, you obtain their streaming services as well. Kind of like HBO does (if you subscribe to HBO, you get HBO Go). So while the market is certainly changing, and streaming is definitely going to be a part of it, individual studios with their own streaming services, are likely going to be tied to something else, within the next ten years. For example, if I have a "make your own" cable package, and I subscribe to Disney channels (such as ABC, the Disney Channel, etc), I will receive Disney's streaming services as part of that package.

The change in streaming definitely reflects a change in the market. But not for streaming services, but rather for cable.

 

[DrCosmic]

Nicke-who?

I mean, I know Spongebob is a big deal, but no one is willing to pay $10 a month so their kid can watch PAW Patrol and they can watch Are You Afraid of the Dark re-runs.

I think it can work with Disney. They have a specific brand identity that other studios lack along with some MAJOR franchises (like Star Wars, Marvel, and their animated films). Disney also has a solid base among children that can support something like this. There is a specific and large market for Disney stuff.

I don't think streaming services from the other studios would generate anywhere near the same interest.

This, pretty much. Disney can do this because content is king. Kids will demand it from their parents, and if they bring this in at $10 or below, it'll do gangbusters, which sucks for me, because I don't want or need another bill, another litany of companies trying and cutting off what could have been great shows on a platform that isn't trying to duplicate Disney's money-grabbing and I really need someone to compete with Disney before they start putting out schlock because there's no competition. We already have the Star Wars spinning its wheels with no traction, the MCU is far too near stagnation creatively for my taste.

 

[Zarex]

Tell that to nickeloden. If they did something like this I think they'll give Disney a run for their money.

If you told that to Nickelodeon about 10 or 15 years ago you might be right. But the last major franchise the network has added was Sponge Bob back in the 90s. A streaming service featuring only Nick content wouldn't be able to compete with the Mouse.

 

[_Superman_]

If you told that to Nickelodeon about 10 or 15 years ago you might be right. But the last major franchise the network has added was Sponge Bob back in the 90s. A streaming service featuring only Nick content wouldn't be able to compete with the Mouse.

Sure not now because The Mouse has Marvel and Star Wars and Dr. Jones. But if it didn't have them then yes it would.