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Action-Adventure Disney's Zorro and the New World Zorro

So, if the greenery scenes above weren't filmed at the actual cave, where were they filmed? Maybe they were filmed at the Disney studio, and indeed this link...

The Mark of Zorro Johnston McCulley Forge Books @ Books and knowledge

... contains the following message from a certail Jamail:

"One of the highlights of my life was an employee tour of the Walt Disney Studio when I got to walk up to a bushy outgrowth on the perimeter of the studio property, which turned out to be the area where Zorro was filmed “emerging” from the cave on Toronado."

I tried contacting her for more details, but so far I have been unable to do so. Maybe someone else will know something about these employee tours.

The first question regarding 1x02 has already been answered, and it that case it has been determined that those scenes were all shot in the real cave. Anyway, I succeeded in contacting Jamil last month, and what she told me helped me understand the truth about the exterior of the cave shown in episode 1x08. These are her words:



Not every day that one gets a message from El Zorro. I first visited the studio in 1986; it was a perk that Disneyland employees could take advantage of. We could have an all day visit to the valley which encompassed visiting the original studio, WED Enterprises (now Imagineering), MAPO (where the animatronic figures were actually built), and the old animation facility (before the current facility was built across from the original studio lot). The "cave exit" location was actually along the interior studio perimeter on the north side of the property bordering Alameda. There was a lot of ivy and other landscaping there. For all I know, the groundsmen may have added a landscaped rigging in order to make room for the horse and rider - for a giggle, across the grass from this spot was a fence and the facades of backs of houses that were built for the film "Down and Out in Beverly Hills," used for backyard exteriors (including the structure used as a home minaret for the neighbor who regularly performed the Muslim call to prayer). There's been a huge parking structure in the cave exit spot since the early 90s, and I believe the area where the BH houses were is now the plaza in front of the Team Disney Burbank building. We had a company employee from Cast Activities who took us around to all four locations and explained their significance. I was really bummed because we missed out on the exterior Zorro sets - the facades making up the whole of El Pueblo de Los Angeles had been torn down the previous year. That entire section was filled with portables (along with the fountain from Splash). Looking at a satellite photo of the lot, it appears that the entire backlot is now gone - in addition to the Zorro sets, there had been a Western portion of the backlot, as well as a sort of suburban anytown area - only the suburban portion was left, including a large gazebo bandstand, in 86. I worked for the company for 14 years, from 1984 forward, and made several visits to the studio lot, but that first visit was the only time I got to see the area where Zorro rode out. BTW, if you ever get the chance, the Walt Disney Family Museum in San Francisco has Guy William's black and silver saddle on display in a corridor which is faced by a glass wall which allows you to see the Golden Gate Bridge. I was really happy to see it, along with some blow-ups of Guy on Toronado, representing the series. For more info, I would suggest billcotter.com - he's written some Zorro and Disney related books, and Guy William's son Steve does visual effects now with his company zorrofx.com.
 
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Hope that plays?
I knew about Mickey and L'il Zorro, and Mickey during Halloween.
Who knew Donald and nephews were also such a big fans!
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Found this pi on the net....there was no info with it.
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Mego Madness! My favorite heroes!


Speaking of Zorro toys...
Here's an old Disney era Zorro action figure... only 7K$:wow: - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Palitoy-Meg...nFigures_ActionFigures_JN&hash=item27ece57712

At first I thought $700.00 that's crazy Who would pay for that!! but it's actually 7,000.00 WTF$

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Wow, thanks for the link. I just bought it with my lunch money, ....Just kidding:woot:

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Now go play with the 7k figure through the dirt, pull his arms to see how far before they snap, put the sword in fire to see if it melts, and cut up the box to make his fort!:oldrazz:

Probably why this thing is apparently so valuable now. Back then who the heck saved/protected a toy and kept the freakin box.
I think these Palitoy were English licensing Mego...
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Apparently Disney expanded on and kept the Zorro license going a lot longer in Europe than in the US. Don't know if it was even more popular there, with it's own life [like the Phantom]or it just went on longer?
I think the above one is English. And there a French/Spanish/Italian/latin American versions too.

I was surprised to see this in the style of Mego's secret Identity Bruce Wayne.
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For Disney Zorro they did a secret identity Don Diego.
Straight from the Guy Williams version, even with guitar.
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Found this pi on the net....there was no info with it.
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Yeah he came up earlier: links above,
That's a great vintage Mego/Palitoy figure and love the box art.
It was part of Mego / Palitoy (British (European market)subsidiary) 8" line. - Mego Figures in the United Kingdom I Palitoy I Denys Fisher I Fist Fighters

According to the site "There are less than ten boxed Zorro figures known to exist in the world"
Probably (plus being officially licensed Disneyana merch) why authentic ones tend to fetch such exorbitant prices.

Always wish they'd released an official Tornado figure to go with him, Mego did have several color horses compatible with their 8" line, but never (as far as I know) one officially branded as Tornado!
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Well yeah, that ^ one completley blows the Mego one away :funny:(preordered it when it was revealed) . I thought of sharing it here too but it was already shared it in the more general Zorro movie thread.

However if Sideshow/Blitzway did an actual Disney era Guy Williams version, that would be a dream!
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Not my custom....
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I get why they went with the Banderas version over the now more obscure Disney version, looks great, and I loved those movies!
 
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Well yeah, that ^ one completley blows the Mego one away :funny:(preordered it when it was reveled) . I thought of sharing it here too but it was already shared it in the more general Zorro movie thread.
So it seemed it'd over shadow here.
However if Sideshow/Blitzway did an actual Disney era Guy Williams version, that would be a dream! it'd likely look fantastic too! And I'd be real quick on the pre-order list for that one too!
I get why the went with Banderas version though, looks great, and I loved those movies!
I'm glad you mentioned that movie thread....I thought I had seen pics of it in this thread but couldn't find it in here. Here's a link to the other thread The All Encompassing Zorro thread
 
I'm glad you mentioned that movie thread....I thought I had seen pics of it in this thread but couldn't find it in here. Here's a link to the other thread The All Encompassing Zorro thread
LOL That's great, Wasn't that the Zorro movie reboot thread? Did you just change the title of It ?

The title always bugged me as it started about the the potential movie based on the Allende novel. Which wouldn't really have been so much a reboot, it (the Novel) was an origin tale, for the Diego De La Vega character not the Alejandro (Banderas) character. It actually allowed for and designed to acknowledge De La Vega through Fairbanks, Powers, Guy Williams , as the same character without much conflict, and eventually lead right into the Anthony Hopkins version as still the same De La Vega . So it wasn't so much a reboot , as just an extended origin for the same. .
Then the thread got conflated with the potential sequel movie, of a future post apocalyptic Zorro, passing the mantle to a young women. (I'm actually glad that was canned). .
It being titled a more general Zorro movie discussion thread now, seems more appropriate.
As it also included discussion on Fairbanks, the movie Serials, Powers, etc.... The new "All Encompassing" title makes more sense!

What other secret powers do you have?
Can you fix all my sadly broken image links throughout that thread and this one?:)
 
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Yeah, when I looked up the thread I decided to change the title. I can't change the broken image links because it shows no links to fix.
 
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Good Morning América interview: 8/09/1983

Kirby Grant (I heard of Sky King, though I admit I never saw it), Guy Williams (Zorro), Adam West (Batman), and Van Williams (Green Hornet) all together.
I feel like Lone Ranger & Tonto should have been here too (although this might be around the time Universal started discouraging Clayton Moore from making public appearances invoking the Lone Ranger? Or just these were all specifically all ABC shows?

Has anyone seen, or can find the full interview, I'd love to see it?



Some random Zorro antics-
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Zorro and Garcia working together
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-There's a beautiful girl at the door.
-OK let her in, then beat it!
Must be proper Sign Language? I understood every word....
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Wilmer Valderrama to Star in “Telenovela Style” ‘Zorro’ Update for Disney – The Hollywood Reporter

After over 60 years, Zorro franchise (their first masked hero) finally back at Disney.
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Valderrama wouldn't have been my first choice, but I can see it, he's got a bit of Armando Catalano spark.
Plus if they are going full telenovela, this isn't a grim dark , but more charming fun take, he could be right for it.



If anyone watched the Telumundo Zorro Telenovela, it was actually pretty fun. Had elements from the original McCulley pulps, referenced the Disney version as well as (if the licence rights are coming through Gertz Zorro prod.) include the rights to the Allende Novel, which expands on his origin, so we might finally get the first in universe filmed flashbacks to the origins of Zorro.

He's the product of a powerful clash of two distinct worlds and cultures, by way of his mother native American channeling his spirit animal the fox, and by way of his father the Spanish sword, come together in his new identity.

Started a new thread for it- Zorro back at Disney starring Valderrama
Yet seeing as it's Disney Zorro again, this still might be the official thread for it? Don't know what's better?

If nothing else, being Disney's original masked action hero, I do hope they come full circle and Zorro again has a presence through the Disneyland parks! I'd go just to see them reintroduce Zorro's fight and stunt show ....
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With all the heroes and adventures Disney has since acquired, Star Wars, Marvel, etc. while things always "evolve", get fantastic new suits, coat of paint and ever grander effects, it is interesting how little actually "changes".

The more things change...

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Meet your Hero;
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Swing down into action! Stunt show:
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Spectacular sword fight!
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The more things stay the same.
 
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If there is any intrepid model builders?

Disney Fan Club Archives: article on the building of the Zorro set on the Burbank Walt Disney Studios backlot. The FIRST ever standing set at Disney Studios.
Scroll down - Everything You Need to Know About Movies Anywhere - Page 48 of 215 - D23
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Scale model layout of the set.
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An original blueprint sketch for Set
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An original blueprint sketch showing design plans for the exterior Hacienda Plaza
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blueprint sketch showing detailed plans for a stone fireplace (with secret compartment)
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Tons more here
The De La Vega Hacienda site posted earlier -
De la Vega's Hacienda - Zorro
Seems to try to break it down by floor. -
Secret Passage 1 - Zorro

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Great site full of possible layouts, and image refrance -
Secret Passage 1 - Zorro
For this location, I have found a behind the scenes picture:

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I wonder if it's the same set as the underground of the de la Vega hacienda where the long tunnel starts. The archway is definitely similar:

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To tell it all, I don't have the book, but I managed to trick Google into showing me so many snippets that I practically have most of it. Please let me know if you can find the book.


Well, someone did build a model of the cuartel:




I guess it wasn't always easy to film in the Zorro set without showing the huge water tank in the background:

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The image above was taken during the production of the Monterey arc, in which the Los Angeles cuartel was redressed to be the Monterey market square.


It's good, but also incomplete. For example, look at the buildings that I have called A, B, C and D in the composite picture below:

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In the scale model I can see buildings A and B, but not C and D:

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I'm still trying to figure out how the secret passages work, since there are so many inconsistencies. For example, in the image below...

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... we are supposed to believe that Diego's bedroom is upstairs, the tunnel leading to the cave is downstairs, and the cabinet entrance to the sala is to the right:



However, in the second season the cabinet entrance to the sala is one floor below:



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There are other puzzling inconsistencies in the passages, but this one is the more obvious one.

The most interesting blueprint is probably the following one, showing an overview of the Zorro back lot:

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Here is 50-second long clip of Walt Disney moving around the Zorro back lot, from the 1963 documentary "Hollywood Without Make-Up":



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Don't know if you still lurk here El Zorro, thought you might appreciate these. Not official just fan concept.
Yet that they took the time to conceptualize the set and layout (with some toyetec license for scale and play function) form a show over 60s ago, is fantastic.
I guess the spiral stair would lead to another level and the extended cave set.
I would totally buy this if they made it.:cwink:
De la Vega's Hacienda - From Walt Disney's Zorro


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LOL the Super Spaniard!

Among many, many things at the Disney Archives; Zorro's sword and costumes...
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Worth celebrating here too!
I read that Disney's ZORRO series, starring Guy Williams, first aired today (October 10th) in 1957. It's now 65 years old (and so am I...turned 65 in June).
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Congratulations and ¡Felicidades! ...to both!:cwink:

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I do wish Disney was doing something official to celebrate, either at the parks or on the channel.

They did have some pins for 50 and 60
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Was going to put this in the Movie Stuff You Only Now Realized thread, yet might better go here. It's mostly inconsequential and arbitrary, yet makes sense ...
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The main room where Diego and Bernardo access the secret lair, contains a portrait of what appears to be Miguel de Cervantes.
Which somewhat parallels the room where Bruce and Dick access the Batcave with the bust of William Shakespeare
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Just a coincidence, makes sense considering who the characters are, each would have the respective literary portraits, a fun visual parallel. :cwink:

Another arbitrary random connection, one authors death followed concurrently near to the day upon the other's, Miguel de Cervantes 22-23 April 1616, and William Shakespeare on 23 April 1616.

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Zorro lives again!!!!

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1957 Disney Zorro
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Fantastic homage.

Also never noticed till a recent re-watch (though it would have been natural to encounter it) , Disney's slight nod to the original pulp story: The Curse of Capistrano
Sign to Capistrano.
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The Disney Zorro theme and record by George Bruns/Norman Foster, famous for hitting the Billboard charts.

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Yet who was really playing guitar on the show?



Why the link to a Peter Gunn episode (more recognized for its Henry Mancini theme music).
The episode in part just happens to take place in a latin club, where the guy playing Classic Flamenco Guitar is Laurindo Almeida who did most of the beautiful incidental atmospheric guitar music, throughout the Disney's Zorro series.
(I do wish there was a recording of all his music for the series)
There are links to several of his solo pieces, yet this is footage of him playing from the 50s, so thought this was a nice surprise.

Here he is still going in the 90s.


(never sure if there is interest and I should also share in the all encompassing Zorro thread? which seems to have overshadowewd this one.? )
 
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There is an interest in what you post, but I generally put stuff in the All Encompassing thread because I tend to find more things from the movies and print (comics, pulps, novels) than just the TV shows.
 
There is an interest in what you post, but I generally put stuff in the All Encompassing thread because I tend to find more things from the movies and print (comics, pulps, novels) than just the TV shows.
I've certainly posted my share there too, guess it's fun to keep this one going, don't want it to vanish either.

Name:
Armando Catalano
Guido Armando
Guy Williams

Armando Catalano
born Jan 14, 1924 in Washington Heights, Manhattan.
Father, Attilio Catalano son of an immigrants from Messina, Sicily.
Name Catalano substantive indicating someone from Catalonia Spain. - reflection of the migration of Spanish Catalonians to Italy in the 11th and 13th centuries due to strong commercial and social links between the Catalan-Aragonese realm and the Mediterranean coast of Italy at that time.
Hence in a fortuitous way he is quite likely of Spanish descent, as per the character he plays.
He first took the on-screen moniker Guido Armando, yet learning a director refused to hire him considering it "too foreign", he changed that again to Guy Williams.

1955 Zorro vs The Lone Ranger?
Ranger gets first draw of course, it's his show.
From the episode Six-Gun Artist, he plays Sheriff Will Harrington:
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A legendary masked man on the side of the Law - Prophetic he would soon (in the past) come to play one himself. :cwink:
 
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Another small pre-Zorro role as a lawman, in: I was a Teenage Werewolf.
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Oddly he does come to encounter a Werefox in the WB Adventures of Zorro, which included some more supernatural elements in the mythology.

Also dynamite did a Zorro special, telling tales around a campfire, of what Zorro legends might be, one believes he must follow his animal spirit guide and becomes a Werefox
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These are charming (Italian I believe) figurines based on Disney Zorro
Zorro - Monastario
Bernardo - Señorita
Garcia - Reyes
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Running dismount
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