Do You Believe In Evolution?

See, when I first held my baby daughter a year ago, I realized that this perfect little life could not have happened by accident. BUt at the same time I can easily believe that whatever higher power created the miracle of life, had to foresight to allow these lifeforms the ability to evolve.

You do realize that babies are a dime a dozen, right? Pretty easy to make and if ya mess up you can try again. Or you can clone one.

All and all, "the baby" is not that unique or special.

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I personally believe that there are 6 different forms of evolution commonly studied today, but only one of them is scientifically provable through verifiable visual evidence. People are free to think or believe whatever they wish, but that doesn't necessarily validate such beliefs. From what I've heard and seen, it basically breaks down like this...

Cosmic Evolution is the belief that time, space and matter originated from absolutely nothing, which somehow exploded in space billions of years ago. Scientists today refer to this event as the "Big Bang theory".

Chemical Evolution postulates that all the elements on the Periodic Table began as molecules of hydrogen and possibly helium. Basically, the theory states that all forms of matter (iron, zinc, carbon, wood, etc.) were born from different cobinations of those two elements over time, through fusion. Well, iron doesn't fuse too well, so that puts a bit of a wrench into the works. Also, you're left with a bit of a "catch 22" situation, because you'd need elements to make the stars, and stars to make the elements.

Stellar Evolution teaches that all the stars and planets in existence were all born in the Big Bang. Well, if that's really true...whey are they so drastically different? Some stars exist as nothing but balls of dust or gas, while others have genuine surfaces (such as our Moon).

Organic Evolution states that life was spontaneously born from inanimate matter, eons ago. Most diehard evolutionists will tell you we came from primordial ooze or soup...but if pressed, they'll say the soup was created by rain falling on rocks over millions of years, and it somehow came alive all by itself. Huh?!

Macro-Evolution is a theory suggesting that the animals all changed drastically from different kinds over the centuries (i.e. amoeba to fish, fish to frog, frog to bird, bird to cat, cat to ape, and ape to man (or similar ideas). One of the huge prblems with that theor is the obvious presence of animals in the world today, existing beside mankind. If all the animals evolved over time, then why are so many different kinds still here?

Micro-Evolution suggests that small variations occur within the actual kinds of animals on the planet...and it is also the only belief of these which can be conclusively proven as fact. Think about it: you have tuna, salmon, and trout, but they all have one thing in common: they're all fish. Similarly, you have lions, bobcats, tigers, and domestic felines...but they're all cats. And, it hapens with people, too. We have Caucasians, Africans, Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, Native Americans, and more...but all of them are people. Variations within set kinds are the only method of evolution that's been conclusively proven, so it's the only one I believe in.

For more than a century, humans have tried to prove the existence of the other five types...and no one has ever proven their existences 100%...never. People say it, and believe it, as is their right. But that doesn't automatically mean it's true.

As always, as sharp as warm butter.
 
yeah most of what he calls evolution doesn't involve random changes and selection.

there would be three types as far as i'm concerned. involving the propogation of genes, memes and universes. and universes being born and replicating with modification is the only one of those we don't have concrete evidence for.
 
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I believe in evolution. They started teaching this brand new theory in florida schools this year.
 
I personally believe that there are 6 different forms of evolution commonly studied today, but only one of them is scientifically provable through verifiable visual evidence. People are free to think or believe whatever they wish, but that doesn't necessarily validate such beliefs. From what I've heard and seen, it basically breaks down like this...

Cosmic Evolution is the belief that time, space and matter originated from absolutely nothing, which somehow exploded in space billions of years ago. Scientists today refer to this event as the "Big Bang theory".

As opposed to your theory that space and matter originated from absolutely nothing? Except in your theory an all-powerful magical being made it originated from absolutely nothing?

Chemical Evolution postulates that all the elements on the Periodic Table began as molecules of hydrogen and possibly helium. Basically, the theory states that all forms of matter (iron, zinc, carbon, wood, etc.) were born from different cobinations of those two elements over time, through fusion. Well, iron doesn't fuse too well, so that puts a bit of a wrench into the works. Also, you're left with a bit of a "catch 22" situation, because you'd need elements to make the stars, and stars to make the elements.

Unless you're God in which case all you need is magic.

Stellar Evolution teaches that all the stars and planets in existence were all born in the Big Bang. Well, if that's really true...whey are they so drastically different? Some stars exist as nothing but balls of dust or gas, while others have genuine surfaces (such as our Moon).

:dry: The moon. Not a star.

Organic Evolution states that life was spontaneously born from inanimate matter, eons ago. Most diehard evolutionists will tell you we came from primordial ooze or soup...but if pressed, they'll say the soup was created by rain falling on rocks over millions of years, and it somehow came alive all by itself. Huh?!

Yeah the theory that God created man from DIRT and woman from A side of SPARE RIBS seems much more scientifically grounded.

Macro-Evolution is a theory suggesting that the animals all changed drastically from different kinds over the centuries (i.e. amoeba to fish, fish to frog, frog to bird, bird to cat, cat to ape, and ape to man (or similar ideas). One of the huge prblems with that theor is the obvious presence of animals in the world today, existing beside mankind. If all the animals evolved over time, then why are so many different kinds still here?

Centuries? Don't you mean millennia?

For more than a century, humans have tried to prove the existence of the other five types...and no one has ever proven their existences 100%...never. People say it, and believe it, as is their right. But that doesn't automatically mean it's true.

Well here's one thing I'll give you: People may say something and they may believe it but it doesn't automatically mean it's true.
 
Moviefan2k4 is awesome!

See, Christian understanding of evolution is actually much more layered and well thought out then the so called scientific community.

6 different kinds of evolution! How can we compete?
 
I believe in Evolution because it makes more sense.

But I'm open to the possibility that all of the scientist for the past 100 years have all been lying to us as long as a more sensible argument is presented. I do not find Creationism to be that argument.
 
I think the general drift is a decent concept but i don't believe it in the manner it is presented to date.

too many loop holes and inconsistencies.

probably why they are known as the theories of evolution rather than the laws of evolution.
 
What loopholes and inconsistencies do you speak of?
 
I think the general drift is a decent concept but i don't believe it in the manner it is presented to date.

too many loop holes and inconsistencies.

probably why they are known as the theories of evolution rather than the laws of evolution.

laws are things that can be expressed as a simple formula. evolution cannot be so it is a theory instead. laws are not on a higher level of certainty than theories.

it is theory rather than practice.
 
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I believe in evolution... For me it's the same as gravity, an undeniable natural force. quote]

I feel the same way, but I was stunned to learn my roomate didn't believe. Then she was surprised that I DID. I know that there are many people out there who don't, but it felt weird to have a friend who didn't- such a radically different point of veiw.

I don't think the two are even close. Gravity's something you can test anytime, anywhere in the here and now. Evolution relies on something that may or may not have happened in the distant past which no one living ever witnessed. I don't disbelieve evolution, nor do I stake it all on it being true. To me this is just a mystery we have to live with. And that's fine to me since I'm an agnostic.
 
Dogbert on evolution...



That was awfully ******ed.
Its **** like this that fuels the notion of how ridiculous and disorganized the scientific community is, when really it isn't.

Sure it is meant to be funny, but in a more subtle way it is meant to reinforce peoples belief that things like the theory of evolution hardly has a leg to stand on and they can go back to the comfort of invisible men in the sky.
 
I don't think the two are even close. Gravity's something you can test anytime, anywhere in the here and now. Evolution relies on something that may or may not have happened in the distant past which no one living ever witnessed. I don't disbelieve evolution, nor do I stake it all on it being true. To me this is just a mystery we have to live with. And that's fine to me since I'm an agnostic.

the theory of gravity is that it is the mass of the object which creates the attraction between the masses. you can't test that in every day life. all you can see is that things fall. there could be any explination for that. a theory is the explination not the event.

also we can and have observed the event of evolution in animals with short life spans.
 
That was awfully ******ed.
Its **** like this that fuels the notion of how ridiculous and disorganized the scientific community is, when really it isn't.

Sure it is meant to be funny, but in a more subtle way it is meant to reinforce peoples belief that things like the theory of evolution hardly has a leg to stand on and they can go back to the comfort of invisible men in the sky.

i think the vast majority of people that would watch dilbert already know where it is inacurate for the sake of making a joke.
 
Never watched dilbert so I missed to sarcasm I suppose.
 
I believe in evolution, until actual fact disproves it, then i shall believe what science tells me. Religion has always been around to give answers for what can not be explained. Problem is... things get explained.... and people turn into an up roar over it. Back when i still considered myself a Christian (i really have no idea what i am now, i take aspects of all religions and mix them together and pick out what i like, so i guess im more spiritual then religious.) I just would look at the world as God created the big bang, god created evolution, god set everything into motion. Thus causing both to be right. I personally find it very humorous when people look at the bible as a history book rather then a metaphorical and spiritual guide on how one should live and act in there life to be a good person.
 
No one's saying your daughter's an accident :huh:

Maybe you should take the advice I outlined above and read about the subject before denouncing it outright - I gave several reliable sources
I think you misunderstand me. I believe in evolution, just not as the only way that life as we know it came to be.
 
I believe in evolution, I've done several Archaeology classes as electives and the evidence for evolution is undeniable. For me it's the same as gravity, an undeniable natural force. We evolved along with other apes in a process spanning hundreds of thousands of years from a common ancestor. This process continues today, although, less noticeably in humans.

As for the reasons for life and its origins, since we're unlikely to ever know (unless we create life) an intelligent creator is as good an explanation as any. I'm definitely an agnostic however.

The big problem with this statement is that both gravity and evolution CAN be denied. There are a limited number of scientific tests that we can use to "prove" Gravity. There are few enough to where gravity can be denied as exampled here and here.

Now you might think that these two guys are loony-tunes. And you'd be right, they are, however it still shows that there are in fact many ways to deny gravity.
 
With true science, technically nothing is fact... a true scientist simply believes that all is theory. Things can be close to fact, but there all open to the idea that something else can come along and disprove it. it's human nature to want FACT, and a definitive answer. We hate the idea of having no answer (thus why many fear death). thus why religion was born.
 
the chicken and the egg is the key. if the chicken cqame first creastionalism is true if the egg came first evolution is true.
 

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