The Force Awakens Do you like the new lightsaber?

[Octoberist]

I just watched the Colbert Report on this, and with Colbert totally wins with his analyst on how this new broad saber works. The second beams pass through the hilt casings right? So if someone were to slice through the hilt casing, they still would hit the beams. Duh!

SO that one meme with the hilts being sliced looks stupid now! *Nerdgasm)(

 

[Human Torch]

I just watched the Colbert Report on this, and with Colbert totally wins with his analyst on how this new broad saber works. The second beams pass through the hilt casings right? So if someone were to slice through the hilt casing, they still would hit the beams. Duh!

SO that one meme with the hilts being sliced looks stupid now! *Nerdgasm)(

Why even have the hilt casing at all,then?Might as well just have the beams.It's impractical either way.

 

[Octoberist]

Why even have the hilt casing at all,then?Might as well just have the beams.It's impractical either way.

I don't know but he just makes a good point about that one meme.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I'd prefer a new kind of weapon at this point. The fact that they keep having to make new designs, to keep people interested, just shows how boring they've become.

nah

 

[Solidus]

Why even have the hilt casing at all,then?Might as well just have the beams.It's impractical either way.

No it's not. First...the entire lightsaber concept is impractical. So people need to stop jumping to that word.

Second, that would be like saying why is there casing for the lightsabers in general. The vents or even additional lightsaber parts need to have the cylinder component to aim the crystal in a certain direction. Not having it would cause instability (from SW lore) that is. Of course these are fantasy weapons. But there needs to be the cylinder casing near each areas where the crystal emits power.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

 

[Neno_Kos]

Why even have the hilt casing at all,then?Might as well just have the beams.It's impractical either way.

because it protects hand and fingers. if his fingers did touch beams without metal part he would would lose them, but this way his fingers only hit metal part. It's like isolated isolated wire, in this case beam for his own good. Metalic part protecting his hand. He wont lose hand either way, metalic part will make sure he dont lose his fingers when he is attacking with lightsaber, and in same time his opponents lightsaber wont cut his arm, because even if it go trough metalic part there is still beam under it. So it's win-win scenario. He can attack as much he wants and that makes him dangerous.

 

[Human Torch]

No it's not. First...the entire lightsaber concept is impractical. So people need to stop jumping to that word.

Suspension of disbelief in a lightsaber actually working in real life is not the point. Suspension of disbelief in a lightsaber with side blades that could disembowel oneself in action is harder.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I like the crossguard, but I feel like a simple fix like this:

would keep the aesthetic while being more obviously functional without all these excuses.

I like it. Reminiscent of

And the only viable reason to spin in a swordfight is if you're trying to die anyway.

Real swordfights, yes. Star Wars, not so much.

But I get the feeling there won't be a lot of fancy spins and twirls from this guy.

 

[SuperFerret]

I prefer the more traditional swordfighting from the OT to the rave-flips of the prequels.

That said, the Duel of the Fates is one of the best fight scenes ever filmed.

 

[Solidus]

Suspension of disbelief in a lightsaber actually working in real life is not the point. Suspension of disbelief in a lightsaber with side blades that could disembowel oneself in action is harder.

No it's not, especially since many have already explained it, and the movie will as well. It's just harder for you because you want it to be. Every single lightsaber a person can easily disembowel himself, that's not joking either. If you see actual sword fights and kickback hits are common with your own sword. Lightsabers would be just as much suspension of disbelief.

 

[Solidus]

because it protects hand and fingers. if his fingers did touch beams without metal part he would would lose them, but this way his fingers only hit metal part. It's like isolated isolated wire, in this case beam for his own good. Metalic part protecting his hand. He wont lose hand either way, metalic part will make sure he dont lose his fingers when he is attacking with lightsaber, and in same time his opponents lightsaber wont cut his arm, because even if it go trough metalic part there is still beam under it. So it's win-win scenario. He can attack as much he wants and that makes him dangerous.

Well put.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I prefer the more traditional swordfighting from the OT to the rave-flips of the prequels.

I do for the most part, though i think there is a place for the fancier stuff, from more lithe and agile characters, assassin types, etc. I love that kind of thing.

 

[Solidus]

I think we will see a mixture of both kinds of fighting.

 

[marcvader]

That's right WT, I forgot you like them lithe and agile.

 

[StarLord]

I hope the lightsabers are used like they were in the OT.

Unlike the PT, where they had them out every five minutes or so to the point where they lost all meaning.

 

[Solidus]

I hope the lightsabers are used like they were in the OT.

Unlike the PT, where they had them out every five minutes or so to the point where they lost all meaning.

I agree with that. I always felt in the PT they felt like glow sticks just being twirled around. In the OT they felt like dangerous weapons, and when they were activated everyone would pay attention. Episode I did not have the best duel, many say that, but honestly if you watch it closely it's choreography is exactly what I did not like. Many times you can tell that Ewan waited for Ray Park so he could hit a certain spot on his lightsaber.

With the OT yes they had marks but the way they did it made it feel more natural, and like they were actually trying to kill one another, not just pull off a series of cool moves.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

That's right WT, I forgot you like them lithe and agile.

cheeky bastard

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I agree with that. I always felt in the PT they felt like glow sticks just being twirled around. In the OT they felt like dangerous weapons, and when they were activated everyone would pay attention. Episode I did not have the best duel, many say that, but honestly if you watch it closely it's choreography is exactly what I did not like. Many times you can tell that Ewan waited for Ray Park so he could hit a certain spot on his lightsaber.

With the OT yes they had marks but the way they did it made it feel more natural, and like they were actually trying to kill one another, not just pull off a series of cool moves.

There were hardly any stakes or tension in the prequels. You had nothing to digest aside from the choreography. Add some emotional depth and that stuff would be thought of more fondly imo.

 

[Neno_Kos]

I agree with that. I always felt in the PT they felt like glow sticks just being twirled around. In the OT they felt like dangerous weapons, and when they were activated everyone would pay attention. Episode I did not have the best duel, many say that, but honestly if you watch it closely it's choreography is exactly what I did not like. Many times you can tell that Ewan waited for Ray Park so he could hit a certain spot on his lightsaber.

With the OT yes they had marks but the way they did it made it feel more natural, and like they were actually trying to kill one another, not just pull off a series of cool moves.

We may get that. If rumors are true about some of main characters are [BLACKOUT]not trained so yet they dont have "cool moves"[/BLACKOUT] and we already know Luke's style we may get old school OT's fights.

 

[Solidus]

There were hardly any stakes or tension in the prequels. You had nothing to digest aside from the choreography. Add some emotional depth and that stuff would be thought of more fondly imo.

Ya that's why I said a mix of the two would not be too bad. However I still think even without the emotional depth the lightsaber choreography was too choreographed at times. Where again it felt like they were not trying to actually kill one another just make cool moves. But emotional depth could add to that as well, but I think a mix of some of the quickness/speed in the PT could be mixed in with the OT fights and be pretty darn cool.

 

[StarLord]

Just don't make it look too choreographed. That's all I ask!

 

[Whiskey Tango]

It was a little overdone at times, yarr.

 

[titansupes]

I shall repost my first ever post from TF.N, which happened to be on this very topic:

Those aren't fights in the PT - They're dance battles with glow sticks. There's no tension to them, no threat and no recognisable style other than 'twirl'. My favourite lightsaber fight is Luke and Vader on Bespin. So tense, two different fighters with two different thought processes. Luke's trying to remained focused at first, very prim and proper... and Vader's just enjoying himself, messing with the new kid, measuring him. And slowly, Luke improvises and then gets worn down, while Vader get's surprised a few times and finally frustrated. The choreography and staging, not just the dialogue, is telling a story. I'm not averse to speeding them up a touch, but preferably not to the speed of the PT battles (I think the aforementioned battle was plenty fast). The second fight between the two (Jedi) has much less of that going on. But damn it, it still seemed like a fight. They were really smashing those blades into one another, aside from some awkward moves toward the end. I don't know why the quality dipped so much.

So, clearly, I voted OT. If they can bring in some of the flourish of the PT while maintaining all I've said above, them more power to them.

(Also, while his is tangential to the topic - make the lightsabers themselves more like those of the OT. So much more vibrancy and danger to them.)

 

[Solidus]

I shall repost my first ever post from TF.N, which happened to be on this very topic:

Those aren't fights in the PT - They're dance battles with glow sticks. There's no tension to them, no threat and no recognisable style other than 'twirl'. My favourite lightsaber fight is Luke and Vader on Bespin. So tense, two different fighters with two different thought processes. Luke's trying to remained focused at first, very prim and proper... and Vader's just enjoying himself, messing with the new kid, measuring him. And slowly, Luke improvises and then gets worn down, while Vader get's surprised a few times and finally frustrated. The choreography and staging, not just the dialogue, is telling a story. I'm not averse to speeding them up a touch, but preferably not to the speed of the PT battles (I think the aforementioned battle was plenty fast). The second fight between the two (Jedi) has much less of that going on. But damn it, it still seemed like a fight. They were really smashing those blades into one another, aside from some awkward moves toward the end. I don't know why the quality dipped so much.

So, clearly, I voted OT. If they can bring in some of the flourish of the PT while maintaining all I've said above, them more power to them.

(Also, while his is tangential to the topic - make the lightsabers themselves more like those of the OT. So much more vibrancy and danger to them.)

Very well put.