Sequels Do you want another Phoenix Saga?

[henzINNIT]

It's on the horizon. Apocalypse teased it, and reports are coming in that the firebird will rise again. Singer probably wants another shot at it, though he may end up sitting it out for a second time. No matter.

My question is: Do you want to go there again? Vote and discuss...

 

[NotNickFury]

I'm all for it if there's a good writer and director attached to it. Doing Phoenix Saga just because there's a younger cast and due to The Last Stand's reception is going about it the wrong way, though I've no idea how Fox will do this.

I like the idea of a redo, but only with proper precautions. Otherwise, we'll just be back where we were with X-3.

 

[marvelrobbins]

It's on the horizon. Apocalypse teased it, and reports are coming in that the firebird will rise again. Singer probably wants another shot at it, though he may end up sitting it out for a second time. No matter.

My question is: Do you want to go there again? Vote and discuss...

Singer defently won't be doing it but it's inevitable.

 

[BMM]

Eventually, sure. I don't know if I want to see it as the follow-up to Apocalypse, though.

 

[X-Maniac]

Singer's filmmaking style is too... "classic" (some would say dated) to handle something like a cosmic saga with Dark Phoenix. The special FX, flying, aliens/creatures, etc, would not be up to scratch - see Exhibit A: X-Men Apocalypse.

Marvel/Disney would nail it visually but it might be too light in tone.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Singer's filmmaking style is too... "classic" (some would say dated) to handle something like a cosmic saga with Dark Phoenix. The special FX, flying, aliens/creatures, etc, would not be up to scratch - see Exhibit A: X-Men Apocalypse.

Marvel/Disney would nail it visually but it might be too light in tone.

Singer isn't doing anymore X-Men films.

regardless it will be set on earth most likely.apocalypse showed it was based more on ultimate version of phoenix.

marvel/disney would defently be more light in tone.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I do want to see it, because the way X3 handled it was extremely poor. But I don't want to see it as the next movie, I hope it has a bit of a slow build with maybe a movie in between to build things up a bit more.

 

[Frankeh]

Not as long as Simon Kinberg is writing it. He probably won't resist making his favorite character Magneto a HUGE part of this story. Meh.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Not until Sophie's 26+


She should be an X-Man for a couple films first

 

[Weather Witch]

I don't mind if they do another X2, a better sequel that sets up Dark Phoenix. But I think it might be better not to have a full Dark Phoenix movie right away.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It has to be remembered that no matter who writes it or directs it will be a different take on the phoenix saga, they ain't likely to wait till all the characters are in their comic book phoenix saga places before saying ok we can do it now.

The characters are gonna be in different places in their lives, the group of X-Men are going to be different ect ect

And i doubt they will kill jean off again since are the audience going to be shocked? is the audience going to believe she is actually dead? do we have to go through that ball game of the characters being upset even though non-comic book readers will instantly know she will likely be back?

 

[EnDz0n3]

Depends. They can kill and go full Phoenix in the same movie.

But they can't just go straight to Dark Phoenix storyline after Apocalypse. The characters have to be in the perfect points in their individual developments, especially Scott and Jean. We have to feel for these two characters specifically.

And go full-on space. The audience and fans are more than ready.

 

[GuestStar2004]

You could do the story at any point with them, its going to always be different because its the film series so it should be expected that this isn't a watchman type deal here.

Just look at Logan, its clear its sorta an adaption of Old Man Logan, or at least i assume its meant to partly an adaption of it but obviously its changed to fit what they want to do with the characters and also X23.

I mean if they want to develop cyclops and jeans into a early starting of relationship in the next one than thats gonna be a change but it could also work if done a certain way and obviously doing something a different way doesn't mean it can't be done well.

 

[Frankeh]

You could do the story at any point with them, its going to always be different because its the film series so it should be expected that this isn't a watchman type deal here.

Yeah but the point is Jean becomes a villain (and that's something they won't change, because what's the point otherwise), so if audience doesn't care enough for her or are not convinced the team cares so much for her to want to save her it does present trouble. Remember Apocalypse already proved that interest for the franchise is waning. That's not debatable.

It's like doing MCU Civil War without all the buildup they've done through previous movies. It wouldn't have worked as well as it did and you can take that to the bank. That's why DC is getting criticized for rushing their universe to get even with Marvel without all the careful world-building.

Regardless, you always say things won't happen X or Y way until they do happen. We all should wait and see.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Regardless, you always say things won't happen X or Y way until they do happen. We all should wait and see.

It's so annoying how smug he is. And how wrong he always ends up

 

[GuestStar2004]

Yeah but the point is Jean becomes a villain (and that's something they won't change, because what's the point otherwise), so if audience doesn't care enough for her or are not convinced the team cares so much for her to want to save her it does present trouble. Remember Apocalypse already proved that interest for the franchise is waning. That's not debatable.

What's interest in the franchise got to do with the exacution of the idea? It can be done in many ways aslong as its done in a way that works.

If you want you could use DOFP as an example of that, there was no set up for that movie and it didn't have a all of the elements many would have said needed to be part of the story to work.

It can be done, it just has to adjusted to work.

It's like doing MCU Civil War without all the buildup they've done through previous movies. It wouldn't have worked as well as it did and you can take that to the bank. That's why DC is getting criticized for rushing their universe to get even with Marvel without all the careful world-building

Civil war and dark Phoenix is nothing alike though, plus Spider-Man didn't get his comic book role and yet I am sure people said you couldn't do it without spidey either and yes while we did get spidey he wasn't there for the same purpose as the book but they still made it work

 

[2kt09]

Just as long as you don't do what the MCU, the DCEU, heck even the OT X-Men did and drop "low-key" *wink wink nudge nudge* teases and then just throw the titular movie out there.

Genuinely build it up this time and make it one of the bigger subplots if not the main focus like i don't know an actual "Saga". Also, still trying to decide between the audience surrogate of Jean or Cyclops for this saga.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It's so annoying how smug he is. And how wrong he always ends up

Always? i have been wrong on a couple of occasions but i do try and keep my expectations grounded, i don't base what i think will happen on what i want to happen because there is no point doing that as it will just lead to disappointment.

Its like when people heard wolverine 3 might be based on old man logan many started to question who will replace the hulk and if you told those many people there probably won't be a hulk figure they would say but you need hulk for old man logan! well apparently the film makers didn't.

Its like if they wanna do phoenix do they not do it because the characters ain't in the places the fans think they should be? no they won't let that stop them, surely thats logical thinking?

 

[Smilodon]

The Dark Phoenix Saga needs to be this series' Civil War in a sense. All the relationships have to be there to have maximum impact.

People are terrified about Kinberg (and rightfully so) handling every piece of this franchise from here on out but it's not like whichever director they get won't bring their writers on board and rewrite what Kinberg does etc.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The Dark Phoenix Saga needs to be this series' Civil War in a sense. All the relationships have to be there to have maximum impact.

It can be done though but it will require some adjustments from source material to screen to make it work for the film and current set up of characters.

Which is nothing new for this film series, Its not just a kinberg thing its just what comic book movies do in general so if they brought a director onboard and said we want you to do phoenix its likely they will put effort in to make it work, they probably won't argue to fox that it can't be done because truth be told it most likely can be done within in the writing process.

 

[magneto23]

As has been pointed out, We need to see the relationships built up before they do a Phoenix story. The emotional resonance would be weak otherwise. They need to do at least one more movie, if not two more, before a Phoenix Saga. The Cyclops and Jean characters deserve that IMO.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Isn't That more down to not being able to look past the familiar dynamic you see with the characters in the books though? Which lets be honest happens with every comic book movie that's made.

I mean for example It sounds like we are getting elements of planet hulk in Thor 2 and while I don't visit the Thor boards I am assuming there are likely some that most likely feel all the elements should be there for planet hulk to work, the marvel characters shooting hulk into space for example, and if I am wrong about that I will be shocked since fans usually want as much from the comics as possible on screen, but again that doesn't mean it can't be done well in whatever way they choose to do it.

There are just a lot of comic book movies that adjust to work comic storylines on screen and X-men probably won't make it to watchman levels of accuracy like ever.

Again it's very much possible to do Phoenix for the next movie, will there be just differences? Yes course there will be but obviously it will depend on the interactions between Jean and the other characters in the movie to understand what sorta relationships she has with them, it's all in the writing and direction to make you feel.

 

[Frankeh]

What's interest in the franchise got to do with the exacution of the idea? It can be done in many ways aslong as its done in a way that works.

If you want you could use DOFP as an example of that, there was no set up for that movie and it didn't have a all of the elements many would have said needed to be part of the story to work.

It can be done, it just has to adjusted to work.

Interest with the franchise absolutely has to do with it. If people didn't care about both the FC and OT characters would DOFP have made the same amount of money? Would audiences connect with it as they did? It's a good question.

You think it WILL work but we have reasons to believe it might not, and let's not forget the filmmakers are coming off a failure in XMA. They haven't nailed every big story by "tweaking" it to their pleasure. Not to mention the biggest elephant in the room, X-Men: The Last Stand.

 

[Frankeh]

Again it's very much possible to do Phoenix for the next movie, will there be just differences? Yes course there will be but obviously it will depend on the interactions between Jean and the other characters in the movie to understand what sorta relationships she has with them, it's all in the writing and direction to make you feel.

Sounds like a lot of work for one movie.

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

I have an idea how about this movie actually be about the friggin X-Men!!! Ditch Magneto/Mystique bring in other villains human or mutant I.e Henry P. Gyrich, Friends of Humanity, a younger senator Kelly, Sinister and a new hellfire club. I want to this movie expand on who the x-men are and where they're at probably in the 90s. The studio needs to pitch Tue Alex and Sophie as the face of this franchise. They need to seriously take notes from the first Avengers movie, all the characters interacted with each other had there moments to kick butt and they used teamwork.

A Phoenix storyline could work like I said before the movie can start off with the team on a mission and Jean let's loose with her powers causing early tension between her and Scott. From there you go with how her power has expanding and Xavier feeling regret for not teaching her to fully contain her powers since Apocalypse. The theme is this movie should be power corrupts and the villains want to use that power to corrupt the world human/mutant alike and jean is caught in the middle. Just give her and Scott the proper development which they never got in the OT, her bond with Storm and let the villain(s) be a secondary character