Does Anyone Actually Like RDJ as Doom?

[MessiahDecoy123]

Comics have plenty of bad ideas. Doesn't mean you should use them. Absolutely no one when they imagined Dr Doom on screen was picturing Evil Tont Stark variant Doom. No one

Is Iron Doom that bad of an idea though?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Is Iron Doom that bad of an idea though?

In this context, he is absolutely is. So, what if when we see the movie, Doom ends up having the indestructible metal powers, toxic breath, and goat hooves? That has comic precedent after all! Is this something you would want to see, or do you want to see the version most people care about? Same thing here. Iron Doom is not the Doctor Doom people wanted.

 

[Ironfan72]

Is Iron Doom that bad of an idea though?

No its not a bad idea, Iron Man artist Bob Layton once said he felt Stark and Doom were opposite sides of the same coin and Doom in his own way respects Tony, thats why we got Infamous Iron man, so having a story where Stark goes full Doom isnt horrible, i just dont think thats what we are getting, Russios said this was Victor Von Doom, not a Stark variant.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Run out of ideas?

It's from the comics.

what do you mean? in the comics Victor Von Doom is identical to Tony Stark? Or is a Stark variant?

if it's the former, is there a source for that? if it's the latter, then given how inconsistent Disney is being with the multiverse saga, did they need their Dr. Doom to be a Stark variant? and even so, have him be portrayed by the same actor as the original sacred timeline Stark?

but to answer your question, yes, it definitely does seem like they have not only been running out of ideas, they have completely run out. since obviously Kang was being setup as the next major villain they have pivoted without evening giving time to pivot, to that being Dr. Doom instead. they could have just recast Kang.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Is Iron Doom that bad of an idea though?

Yes. Fans have been waiting for a better portrayal of Doom since Josh Tranks hot piece of garbage in 2015. Now you're getting RDJ as Doom for 2-3 movies. Then what? Another multiverse variant comes in as the real Doom to take on Pedro Pascal's FF team after Secret Wars?

The multiversal variants are a neat concept and it has worked well in some situations so far, but this one makes no sense in the long run

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yes. Fans have been waiting for a better portrayal of Doom since Josh Tranks hot piece of garbage in 2015. Now you're getting RDJ as Doom for 2-3 movies. Then what? Another multiverse variant comes in as the real Doom to take on Pedro Pascal's FF team after Secret Wars?

The multiversal variants are a neat concept and it has worked well in some situations so far, but this one makes no sense in the long run

I am willing to bet large sums of money we ain't getting that "real" Doom. This is the Doom we are getting. This is his moment. Maybe someone plays the role in like...10 years or maybe 15-20....but this is Doctor Doom for this generation.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Is Iron Doom that bad of an idea though?

Yes. As the first incarnation of Doom, absolutely.

That story-line only works after Doom and Iron-man are well established characters.

Using it now means we don’t get Dr. Doom - one of the most iconic characters in comic book history.

And Doom’s primary connection should be to Reed Richards, not Tony Stark.

My biggest fear is Marvel actually thinks this is clever: “Well they’re both geniuses who make suits of armor to give themselves powers … why they’re basically the same thing just one is good and one is evil.”

 

[lenz]

I agree 3000 with all the reasons stated thus far for hating RDJ's casting.

That said, I finally got around to reviewing the FF panel. After watching the interviews, looking at captured screenshots, getting a better understanding for the inspirations and aesthetics, seeing the chemistry of the cast etc., my excitement for this film is returning no doubt. I still believe it has the potential to be great overall. So there is still a silver lining, BUT...

The massive shadow cast by the giant cosmic Galactus cloud of RDJ is devouring much of my excitement.

 

[Lily Adler]

Did I screw this up? I tried to make a poll, but I’m not seeing the options.

Last I checked, the mods said the polls aren't currently working.

Still no update on the fix.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I agree 3000 with all the reasons stated thus far for hating RDJ's casting.

That said, I finally got around to reviewing the FF panel. After watching the interviews, looking at captured screenshots, getting a better understanding for the inspirations and aesthetics, seeing the chemistry of the cast etc., my excitement for this film is returning no doubt. I still believe it has the potential to be great overall. So there is still a silver lining, BUT...

The massive shadow cast by the giant cosmic Galactus cloud of RDJ is devouring much of my excitement.

Yeah, I was thinking: “If they had just not announced RDJ for a few more weeks I could have enjoyed Saturday’s events so much more.”

And it just shows Marvel still has a lot to learn if they thought we’d be excited by that reveal.

 

[mclay18]

At best, I’m skeptical. It just comes off as shrewd and desperate.

RDJ is a talented and capable actor but he has a massive hill to climb to prove naysayers wrong. He’s going to have to work hard to make us buy him as Victor von Doom.

 

[Venom 1988]

My feelings are complicated and maybe when everything is released I may be more positive about it. But ultimately I don't like this casting choice for all sorts of reasons.
Can RDJ do a good job? Yeah probably. My issues aren't with his acting ability, it's solely due to the creative and business decisions that led to this casting.

"I think we're going to need the greatest actor in the world to play that character"

I know they are being hyperbolic and this is all PR speak to hype up the movie but this line from Joe Russo at SDCC unintentionally sums up why I think this is bad decision. You're telling me there is not a single actor in the world that can play this part? The guy who happens to be the face of the MCU for 10 years also happens to be the only person that can do Doom justice? RDJ is a talented actor no doubt but you cannot convince me this casting decision was made in good faith.

 

[Spider-Fan]

My feelings are complicated and maybe when everything is released I may be more positive about it. But ultimately I don't like this casting choice for all sorts of reasons.
Can RDJ do a good job? Yeah probably. My issues aren't with his acting ability, it's solely due to the creative and business decisions that led to this casting.

"I think we're going to need the greatest actor in the world to play that character"

I know they are being hyperbolic and this is all PR speak to hype up the movie but this line from Joe Russo at SDCC unintentionally sums up why I think this is bad decision. You're telling me there is not a single actor in the world that can play this part? The guy who happens to be the face of the MCU for 10 years also happens to be the only person that can do Doom justice? RDJ is a talented actor no doubt but you cannot convince me this casting decision was made in good faith.

I am never gonna look at this favorably. I cannot look beyond the obvious corporate reasons for this and the ethos behind the creative vision here. All I can do is hope the movie is entertaining on its own merits, but any hopes I had at enjoying this as much as the others I think is unlikely. The lead up isn't there, and this is clearly not done to make for the best story. I hope for the best, but I am expecting these to be my least favorite Avengers films. If they blow me away, great. Expect the worst, hope for the best.

Thanos had real anticipation before his first proper appearance cause they did a great job teasing him, making well regarded movies, and cresting an appetite for him. Then stuck the landing. You cannot replicate that by sticking RDJ in a different mask at the 11th hour

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

At best, I’m skeptical. It just comes off as shrewd and desperate.

RDJ is a talented and capable actor but he has a massive hill to climb to prove naysayers wrong. He’s going to have to work hard to make us buy him as Victor von Doom.

to me, it's not even about RDJ having to sell himself into the role; we've seen actors play multiple comic book roles before. whatever they give him, he's gonna nail it. it's just the principle concept of using the same actor in the same universe/franchise again and that's the crux of this casting problem.

no amount of acting ability is going to change that the decision of this casting choice that was made that's fundamentally wrong in my opinion.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

My feelings are complicated and maybe when everything is released I may be more positive about it. But ultimately I don't like this casting choice for all sorts of reasons.
Can RDJ do a good job? Yeah probably. My issues aren't with his acting ability, it's solely due to the creative and business decisions that led to this casting.

"I think we're going to need the greatest actor in the world to play that character"

I know they are being hyperbolic and this is all PR speak to hype up the movie but this line from Joe Russo at SDCC unintentionally sums up why I think this is bad decision. You're telling me there is not a single actor in the world that can play this part? The guy who happens to be the face of the MCU for 10 years also happens to be the only person that can do Doom justice? RDJ is a talented actor no doubt but you cannot convince me this casting decision was made in good faith.

I am never gonna look at this favorably. I cannot look beyond the obvious corporate reasons for this and the ethos behind the creative vision here. All I can do is hope the movie is entertaining on its own merits, but any hopes I had at enjoying this as much as the others I think is unlikely. The lead up isn't there, and this is clearly not done to make for the best story. I hope for the best, but I am expecting these to be my least favorite Avengers films. If they blow me away, great. Expect the worst, hope for the best.

Thanos had real anticipation before his first proper appearance cause they did a great job teasing him, making well regarded movies, and cresting an appetite for him. Then stuck the landing. You cannot replicate that by sticking RDJ in a different mask at the 11th hour

both these posts echo my sentiments more eloquently

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

to me, it's not even about RDJ having to sell himself into the role; we've seen actors play multiple comic book roles before. whatever they give him, he's gonna nail it. it's just the principle concept of using the same actor in the same universe/franchise again and that's the crux of this casting problem.

no amount of acting ability is going to change that the decision of this casting choice that was made that's fundamentally wrong in my opinion.

I have several friends who are fans of Marvel movies but don’t know or care about the comic books.

I’ve been texting them and even they’re confused and unsure how this will work and not really interested in seeing RDJ play a villain now.

So it’s not like a Flash Thompson thing in which the comic fans want one thing and the general audience doesn’t care.

In this case, I don’t know if there’s anybody who likes this idea other than maybe RDJ and Kevin Feige.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

I told my brother about this last night. He enjoys the Marvel movies, but isn't a casual comicbook fan. He told me his thoughts and unfortunately I can't repeat what he said on here. lol

This just stinks more and more when I think about it. Haven't been this upset at a Marvel decision I think ever.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I remember the words of Mark Hammill when he says he read The Last Jedi script, and I think the only way I will be able to watch this and not be mad is to think of this as essentially Jake Von Doom. Like, I am watching Superior Iron Man, they're just calling him Doctor Doom. That's how I am gonna have to approach to keep my anger in check

 

[lenz]

Yeah, I was thinking: “If they had just not announced RDJ for a few more weeks I could have enjoyed Saturday’s events so much more.”

And it just shows Marvel still has a lot to learn if they thought we’d be excited by that reveal.

Yeah. One thing I know for sure, they are clearly aware of the negative response to this. RDJ, the icon of the MCU, is now getting thrown under the bus by a lot of the fandom who celebrated him just days prior.

The more I hear the cast and crew speak, the more I root for this film again. Its sad, because literally and figuratively, it's ultimately going to get swallowed up by the impending Doom on the horizon....

 

[Spider-Fan]

I am encouraged by what I have seen from the production. Everything seems great. But in the end, what I always wanted was that classic FF vs Doom movie. TDK of the Doom vs FF Rivalry if you will. That's what I have wanted during this entire wait for the FF to come onto the screen. This 1st movie, while I love Galactus and the Surfer and they're so some of my favorites, was more or less an appetizer for me while I waited for the main course. But now it's clear, we are not getting that main course. What we are getting is evil Iron Man. So, it's soured me heavily on the entire MCU FF thing. I just cannot muster the same enthusiasm that I once had. I am sure I will enjoy the movie in isolation and all that, but there is a giant hole in the experience now. One they're not going to fill cause Doom is just an evil Iron Man for the Avengers now.

This is why I said I wanted Doom 1st movie. Which people said I was being paranoid thinking he would just end up being an Avengers movie villain and that FF sequel wouldn't come potentially. One of the times I don't love being right

 

[Crimz]

I think it's a mistake based in desperation.
My only hope is that he's only being used to generste hype and someone else is playing the main Doom who will depose him at the end of Doomwar or Secret Wars

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think it's a mistake based in desperation.
My only hope is that he's only being used to generste hype and someone else is playing the main Doom who will depose him at the end of Doomwar or Secret Wars

I am very sure we are not getting a main MCU Doctor Doom, but let me humor this: to what end? To have a Doom variant who has no history with the FF that we are watching on screen? Doom and the FF are perfect rivals cause of their history together. What good is it that you have a Doom in the MCU from a different universe than the FF were are watching? Just cause of the color of the team jerseys? It doesn't work. It's less interesting.

I know RDJ won't stick around to do 50 movies as Doom. This is what we are getting. I also don't doubt this Doom is probably from this FF universe. But we are still not getting a FF vs Doom movie to explore that. We are just going to get lip service and dialogue within this crossover that's at its core about the Avengers. Not the FF. They're a cog in the wheel.

The whole thing just sucks

 

[Crimz]

I am very sure we are not getting a main MCU Doctor Doom, but let me humor this: to what end? To have a Doom variant who has no history with the FF that we are watching on screen? Doom and the FF are perfect rivals cause of their history together. What good is it that you have a Doom in the MCU from a different universe than the FF were are watching? Just cause of the color of the team jerseys? It doesn't work. It's less interesting.

I know RDJ won't stick around to do 50 movies as Doom. This is what we are getting. I also don't doubt this Doom is probably from this FF universe. But we are still not getting a FF vs Doom movie to explore that. We are just going to get lip service and dialogue within this crossover that's at its core about the Avengers. Not the FF. They're a cog in the wheel.

The whole thing just sucks

Oh I think it's over for Doom. Just trying to keep my hope alive that rdj Doom is from a universe separate from the FF so that they have their own with all the history.
I didn't even want him in an Avengers film because he is an FF villain first and foremost.

But that's just not how it looks to play out. They've wasted him and used his biggest story right out of the gate. There will likely never be a MCU Fantastic Four story with Doom as the villain.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I’m pretty sure this is our Doom for the next 10 years but my hope now is we’ll never see him looking/sounding/acting like Tony Stark.

On one hand I fear RDJ’s ego And Marvel’s greed will give us a Julian McMahon type Doom who won’t want to hide behind a mask.

But realistically (and hopefully there are people within Marvel who get this) Doom’s face should almost never be seen.

When I see Rocket in GOTG, I completely forget it’s Bradley Cooper.

I’m just hoping RDJ’s sizable ego goes in the direction of “look how I can play a completely unrecognizable character” rather than “look at me, look at me, look at ME.”

 

[Crimz]

I’m pretty sure this is our Doom for the next 10 years but my hope now is we’ll never see him looking/sounding/acting like Tony Stark.

On one hand I fear RDJ’s ego And Marvel’s greed will give us a Julian McMahon type Doom who won’t want to hide behind a mask.

But realistically (and hopefully there are people within Marvel who get this) Doom’s face should almost never be seen.

When I see Rocket in GOTG, I completely forget it’s Bradley Cooper.

I’m just hoping RDJ’s sizable ego goes in the direction of “look how I can play a completely unrecognizable character” rather than “look at me, look at me, look at ME.”

But then the question is: Why get him?

A big part of getting him is the shock, and nostalgia of it being RDJ. I think we are in for a Doom with minimal scarring who takes his mask off as often as MCU Peter Parker.