Does Heroes need a 'Batman?'

[Artistsean]

Its not saying Heroes is ripping off characters, its saying that Heroes has arch types. Superman is an Archtype (a hero with multiple powers like flight and strength), Batman is an Archtype (a normal human vigilantee hero who is well trained).
And there is nothing wrong with using archtypes.

I like the scene where Matt Parkman is trying to read his mind and HRG is thinking in Japanese (or some other language) so that Parkman can't tell what he is thinking.
That is incredibly Batmanish. And incredibly cool.

 

[Matt]

Its not saying Heroes is ripping off characters, its saying that Heroes has arch types. Superman is an Archtype (a hero with multiple powers like flight and strength), Batman is an Archtype (a normal human vigilantee hero who is well trained).
And there is nothing wrong with using archtypes.

I like the scene where Matt Parkman is trying to read his mind and HRG is thinking in Japanese (or some other language) so that Parkman can't tell what he is thinking.
That is incredibly Batmanish. And incredibly cool.

Great scene Mr. Bennett is the man.

 

[GL1]

That was Batmannish... excellent example.

Where's the sort of jokester-trickster hero archetype? Like Flash or Spider-Man?

 

[November Rain]

Heroes doesn't need a batman, it needs a Rock Lee From naruto

perhaps someone with a fairly useless power but overall manages to become useful by toning up his own human abilities tobecome totally badass...

maybe something as camp as someone who doesn't age, and meets hero in the past as a bumbling bafoon but emerges in the present as a total badass who has spent centuries learning the art of deception/mystery/detective work/self defense.

 

[Artistsean]

HRG is, to me, the Batman archtype character. He is highly trained, and always has a plan.
(watched the season finally again, and his Clair kept asking, as if he always does anyway, "You have a plan right?" And HRG would say yes.)
But also he is sort of grim, and willing to cross lines in order to protect and reach his goals.

That was Batmannish... excellent example.

Where's the sort of jokester-trickster hero archetype? Like Flash or Spider-Man?

I'd say the Spider-Man, Flash, type hero (the sort of easy going fun one,
would be Hiro. Who wants to be a superhero, loves comics and sci fi, and is so excited when he is being a superhero. He is sort of the hero we can relate to I think.
But I don't know if he is the trickster hero.

 

[Superfreak]

Isn't Mr. Nakamura the Batman-esque character of Heroes? He's a billionaire, with a massive Japanese company under his boot. Yet he is also a hero without powers, who is so bad ass with the sword and skills it doesn't matter.

Infact, Mr. Nakamura seems to remind of Batman from the Dark Knight falls almost. A Batman who is fed up with the state of superheroes and their shifting allegiances etc.

 

[SouLeSS]

Was that a joke?

I seriously can't tell whether it was or not...

P.S. We need a sarcasm smiley on SHH to make it clearer when we're being sarcastic.

You know I went back and read it a few minutes ago, and I honestly can't tell.

 

[GL1]

Hmm... interesting comparison.... if you take out Batman's style and attitude, yeah, I guess Mr. Nakamura is kind of like an older Batman. But, I'll give you good odds that he has a power... how else could he have been "waiting for a Nakamura to ascend?"

What's your avy gif from Superfreak?

I'd say the Spider-Man, Flash, type hero (the sort of easy going fun one,
would be Hiro. Who wants to be a superhero, loves comics and sci fi, and is so excited when he is being a superhero. He is sort of the hero we can relate to I think.
But I don't know if he is the trickster hero.

Yeah, he's definitely upbeat, but as far as tricksters, I don't think we've seen one, Hiro, even in the future, is not about slickness or mocking the enemy. A trickster is kind of hard to pull of in "real life" since you need someone who can sell the whole cocky but still comfortable in combat thing... there's no profession where that becomes true...

Wait... what if there was a soldier character who got powers that were slick and stuff? I bet they could get really cocky? Especially one of those crazy country guys that jumps out of planes and stuff? Oh yeah, that'd be great...

 

[Sawyer]

Isn't Mr. Nakamura the Batman-esque character of Heroes? He's a billionaire, with a massive Japanese company under his boot. Yet he is also a hero without powers, who is so bad ass with the sword and skills it doesn't matter.

Infact, Mr. Nakamura seems to remind of Batman from the Dark Knight falls almost. A Batman who is fed up with the state of superheroes and their shifting allegiances etc.

I'm pretty sure that Kaito will be revealed to have powers this season.

 

[Superfreak]

didn't he say he didn't have powers though? Maybe I'm halucinating

My avatar is from BSG, when the Galactica jumps into a low orbit, and falls towards the planet, launches vipers, and jumps back into space before hitting the ground.

Probably the best television based special effect I've seen

 

[javphonic]

Hey guys I know HRG is Mr. Bennet, but what does it stand for?

I've never been on the hereos thread section b4...

 

[Sawyer]

^Horn Rimmed Glasses.

 

[phillyboy]

HRG is Batman






& the Haitian is robin

 

[Artistsean]

HRG, Mr. Bennet
his real name is:

Spoiler

Noah Bennet

 

[Mysterio]

Understand, I'm not asking if the show needs a guy in a vampire get-up who only hunts crime at night. Batman's become a lot more than that - he is, for a lot of fans and creators, the benchmark for non-powered heroes in comic books. He's one of 'Us', a natural-born human. However, he has redefined his limits through discipline, education, and sheer determination, until he can look with confidence (often over-confidence) into the eyes of actual gods -- and spit.

For this reason, fandom is often split on his believability, even in a fanciful universe. Some root for his efforts, seeing him a champion closer to themselves. Others feel his victories against over-powered opponents are more fan-service than coherent fiction. Either way, the character has moments where he undeniably kicks ass, whether in physical combat or a battle of wits. (Personally, I find the latter, or a combination of the two, to be more enjoyable.)

So my question is, does this show need one of 'Us?' Does it need more of a contrast to the powered Heroes by pitting them against a character who can successfully stand up to them without any supernatural abilities? Or is Bennet already filling this role enough to satisfy you guys? Should Noah be inspired by the events of season One to eventually reach a Batman-level of excellence? Or maybe Ando?

Just a thought. Yours?

-- END!

No. it completely goes against the nature and premise of the show.

 

[Rorschach II]

Understand, I'm not asking if the show needs a guy in a vampire get-up who only hunts crime at night. Batman's become a lot more than that - he is, for a lot of fans and creators, the benchmark for non-powered heroes in comic books. He's one of 'Us', a natural-born human. However, he has redefined his limits through discipline, education, and sheer determination, until he can look with confidence (often over-confidence) into the eyes of actual gods -- and spit.

For this reason, fandom is often split on his believability, even in a fanciful universe. Some root for his efforts, seeing him a champion closer to themselves. Others feel his victories against over-powered opponents are more fan-service than coherent fiction. Either way, the character has moments where he undeniably kicks ass, whether in physical combat or a battle of wits. (Personally, I find the latter, or a combination of the two, to be more enjoyable.)

So my question is, does this show need one of 'Us?' Does it need more of a contrast to the powered Heroes by pitting them against a character who can successfully stand up to them without any supernatural abilities? Or is Bennet already filling this role enough to satisfy you guys? Should Noah be inspired by the events of season One to eventually reach a Batman-level of excellence? Or maybe Ando?

Just a thought. Yours?

-- END!

Well, despite the title, Heroes really isn't about heroes. It's about mutants, some of which choose to become heroes.

It isn't exactly the same as what you're saying, but I do think that a it's ridiculous for Tim Kring to believe that if you give a bunch of people superpowers (including idealistic teenagers and early-twentysomethings), none of them will feel the need to become a bona fide superhero. There's several Don Quijote-type people living in the world today who'd give anything for even the slightest superpower that would allow them to dress up and go save the world, so why wouldn't at least ONE of the people on Heroes have the same inclination?

 

[rdh007]

His name is HRG. He IS this shows Batman.

Truth is posted here.

 

[carrrnuttt]

There's several Don Quijote-type people living in the world today who'd give anything for even the slightest superpower that would allow them to dress up and go save the world, so why wouldn't at least ONE of the people on Heroes have the same inclination?

Because the people that have been shown to be afflicted so far have all been lucid enough to realize that if they display their powers openly, they will not be facing one "superhero" or "supervillain" or even a group like in the comics, but instead will be facing the not inconsiderable might of the US Government, and likely foreign ones as well. All of whom will be seeking to subdue him/her, regardless of power, in order to study, and more importantly control, him or her.

The ones you speak that now pose as "heroes" in costume do NOT live in our reality, and in theory, if ever one of these types gained a power, there is still a chance that they might be shocked into realizing what they might be in for.

 

[carrrnuttt]

Truth is posted here.

The way he handled his manager in the Season 2 premiere was certainly "Batman-ish".

 

[Rorschach II]

Because the people that have been shown to be afflicted so far have all been lucid enough to realize that if they display their powers openly, they will not be facing one "superhero" or "supervillain" or even a group like in the comics, but instead will be facing the not inconsiderable might of the US Government, and likely foreign ones as well. All of whom will be seeking to subdue him/her, regardless of power, in order to study, and more importantly control, him or her.

The ones you speak that now pose as "heroes" in costume do NOT live in our reality, and in theory, if ever one of these types gained a power, there is still a chance that they might be shocked into realizing what they might be in for.

That's just what I'm saying, of the people mutating in the "Heroes" universe, one of them should be not "lucid" enough to see that and attempt the whole vigilante thing. Check out that kid Claire goes to school with: if you read the latest online comic, that kid LOVES everything about being special and flies in plain sight. I could definitely see him wanting to be a superhero. As a matter of fact, it's out of character if he doesn't want to be one.

 

[Argyle of Sock]

The way he handled his manager in the Season 2 premiere was certainly "Batman-ish".

Yeah, I defenitely noticed some seriously Batman-esque moments in the season two premiere. I forgot how cool HRG is.

 

[NotFadeAway]

The show needs a broody, bad ass M-F'er!

 

[SouLeSS]

HRG is such a badass.

When he told off that **** manager of his and flipped him on the table by grabbing his finger I was like "goddamn dude, this guy is amazing".

 

[Pink Ranger]

HRG, Mr. Bennet
his real name is:

Spoiler

Noah Bennet

You mean, Butler of course. Don't blow his cover.

He's also similar to Batman for his borderline-appropriate relationship with his barely legal ward/sidekick.

 

[neemer5]

we need more "normal" main characters to make the show plausible and to give it the whole "this could be happening" feel. Mohinder and HRG are just not enough.

They don't need to be crusaders, though.