Does Spider-man 3 change your opinion of previous movies in the series?

[Bat-Mite]

Definitely not. Spider-Man 3 was sloppy in certain areas, but it was still enjoyable. In fact, I'd say it was the most enjoyable of the three, IMO.

I was blown away by Spider-Man. Spider-Man 2 exceeded my expectations. Spider-Man 3 was sort of mixed bag for me. It was entertaining, but at times felt rushed.

Amen. While the first two Spideys may have taken themselves more seriously, they also dragged in parts. There were parts in both of the first two that almost put me to sleep (and I don't have a short attention span), but that didn't happen with the third movie. With all of its faults, I still found it much more entertaining than the other two.

I think that if they would have concentrated on Venom and cut Sandman out completely, this could have been the best Spidey yet. I really don't understand why Raimi decided to go with Sandman in the first place. I don't know about the comic book version, but the movie version wasn't interesting at all and seemed to be nothing more than a Clayface clone. Venom is much more interesting, IMO.

 

[The Joker]

Hmm, why is it such a mess? I can agree with ‘crammed’ or ‘underdeveloped’

That's why it's a mess. And characters were underdeveloped because the script was rushed.

I personally could keep up with it all.

Of course you could. It's Spider-Man, not a complex political thriller

 

[Leenie]

Spider-Man 3 does NOT change my opinion of the first two films.

Spider-Man 1 and 2 are fantastic movies, and I think that Spider-Man 2 ended with SOME closure (except for the Harry stuff), so if someone decided to "ignore" Spider-Man 3, then I think they can still enjoy the first two.

 

[DeaDheaD]

I hated SM3 but I still like the other 2 SM2 was the best IMO.

 

[Eggyman]

Hello crow

I have cooled over time with SM3 -- it was hard to admit to not liking it at first because I had been lookin forward to the damn thing soooo much, but now it doesn't feel like I'm calling a close family member a **** when I criticise the film.

Not seen anything of bread voice since that special night, did he get banned?

 

[Blader5489]

I really have to wonder at all the praise SM1 gets. "Wonderful"? "Amazing"? It's not a bad film, hell it's better than most superhero movies, but it's actually kind of boring compared to the sequels. The acting (with the exception of Dunst and Dafoe) is flat, the action scenes are underwhelming, and there's a huge amount of cheesiness to the film - not the funny kind like in SM3, but the cliched and stilted kind.

Seriously, have you guys seen SM1 recently? Maybe it's just me, but it's not nearly as entertaining or compelling as the sequels.

 

[UltimateJustin]

I like this comparison more than your starwars one.


Hmm, why is it such a mess? I can agree with ‘crammed’ or ‘underdeveloped’ but it sure wasn’t a ‘mess’ or ‘rushed’ (well, for the most part anyways). I personally could keep up with it all.


Yeah, that was definitely the best part.
And yeah, that’s also why I like to think only about the action and Ock’s cool looks when I think about SM2.

I agree with you saying that you should just distance yourself from SM3, if you don’t like it that much. I do it with X3. But what if the film is in the middle of the franchise and has a substantial part in the overall plot, like SM2. I’m not saying I loath it but I sure can’t stand half of it.

Though I'm not in love with SM2, its still a pretty good ,ovie and I dont even believe that you dont like it. Stop lyin'.

 

[The Joker]

I really have to wonder at all the praise SM1 gets. "Wonderful"? "Amazing"? It's not a bad film, hell it's better than most superhero movies, but it's actually kind of boring compared to the sequels. The acting (with the exception of Dunst and Dafoe) is flat, the action scenes are underwhelming, and there's a huge amount of cheesiness to the film - not the funny kind like in SM3, but the cliched and stilted kind.

Seriously, have you guys seen SM1 recently? Maybe it's just me, but it's not nearly as entertaining or compelling as the sequels.

Yeah, the action's nothing special, and Goblin is very visually unappealing. But, the writing's good. Solid origin story, and the Goblin feud is good, too.

Though I'm not in love with SM2, its still a pretty good ,ovie and I dont even believe that you dont like it. Stop lyin'.

LOL! Trust me, he's serious. I don't agree with his reasons for disliking it, but he is serious, nonetheless.

 

[Eggyman]

I must admit, sitting on my own it's fine, but when I got with my current girlfriend I introduced her to the Spidey films (before introducing her to my mother, come on, priorities) and when we watched the first Spidey I did actually cringe a few times. I can handle the cheese, but when you are aware of a non fan watching it -- wanting them to like it -- it was kinda embarrassing. In a way it was almost like introducing her to a family member that is slightly ******ed -- I felt defensive.

PS, I don't have a slightly ******ed family member . . . they are all fully ******ed.

 

[DACrowe]

I just want to say a few things

1) Sandman is not a Clayface clone. LIES

2. The first movie is getting held up too much on a pedestal now but it did have a great origin story (the best until BB came out), it flowed well if predictable, had some scenes that had "magic.," and very good performances from Maguire, Dafoe, Cliff Robertson and the always reliable JK Simmons. Dunst....well she was a lot more attractive and MJ-ish in this one.

3. Okay I really don't have a third point so...

 

[Eggyman]

Dunst was more attractive in SM1 -- she WAS attractive.

The swingin' was better in SM1, IMO.

 

[Secret_Riddle]

Spider-Man 2 goes with films like Empire Strikes Back, as they show pretty much how to make a sequal.

Spider-man 3 on the other hand is the complete opposite, its like a description of how not to make a sequal.

 

[UltimateJustin]

Spider-Man 2 goes with films like Empire Strikes Back, as they show pretty much how to make a sequal.

Spider-man 3 on the other hand is the complete opposite, its like a description of how not to make a sequal.

Do you disagree that SM3 is ROTJ, or do you think its worse? I think the SM and SW trilogies parallel each other exactly.

 

[BlackSuitSpidey]

Spidey 3 did change my opinion on Spider-Man 2 because for me SM2 felt WAY out of place, and I feel that SM1 and SM3 are the best out of the 3.

 

[chaseter]

Spidey 3 did change my opinion on Spider-Man 2 because for me SM2 felt WAY out of place, and I feel that SM1 and SM3 are the best out of the 3.

SM1 and SM2 followed the exact same formula nearly and felt like nearly the same movie...3 was the sore thumb IMO.

 

[batman11]

although I feel like it was more a continuation of SM1 rather than SM2 -- not sure why, maybe the tone and style of the film and the general quality.

SM1 and SM3 seem to me like teen movies (not meant to be an insult in saying that), whereas SM2 seems more classical with hints of an old Ditco comic.

That's so weird, cause I felt the exact same thing. After watching it again and again, I almost feel like Spider-Man 2 was disregarded for 3 (with the exception of Harry's plot and MJ and Peter's love story). It's weird, it felt like 2 wasn't part of the series when watching 3. No mention of Ock, no John Jameson, etc. I reiterate in saying it felt really weird. LOL t:

 

[Secret_Riddle]

Do you disagree that SM3 is ROTJ, or do you think its worse? I think the SM and SW trilogies parallel each other exactly.

I believe that they do parallel eachother.

However, I would rather watch Star Wars 6, then Spider-man 3 any day.

But you are right, good point.

 

[The Joker]

That's so weird, cause I felt the exact same thing. After watching it again and again, I almost feel like Spider-Man 2 was disregarded for 3 (with the exception of Harry's plot and MJ and Peter's love story). It's weird, it felt like 2 wasn't part of the series when watching 3. No mention of Ock, no John Jameson, etc.

There was a big Doc Ock headline plastered on Jameson's office wall by his desk. Shown in several shots. John Jameson had no place in the movie plot. There was enough characters crammed in as there was.

What did you expect from Spider-Man 2, that would carry on into 3, other than the Peter/MJ story, and Harry's story? Peter and MJ are together, Harry has found the Goblin lair, Peter's happy being Spider-Man, and the city loves him.

Oh, and Aunt May was now living in an apartment after losing her house in 2. Peter was still in that grotty apartment.

 

[batman11]

There was a big Doc Ock headline plastered on Jameson's office wall by his desk. Shown in several shots. John Jameson had no place in the movie plot. There was enough characters crammed in as there was.

What did you expect from Spider-Man 2, that would carry on into 3, other than the Peter/MJ story, and Harry's story? Peter and MJ are together, Harry has found the Goblin lair, Peter's happy being Spider-Man, and the city loves him.

Oh, and Aunt May was now living in an apartment after losing her house in 2. Peter was still in that grotty apartment.

Yes, I did notice the headline. But you'd think Peter would say something about him, I mean wasn't 3 sposed to take place only a few months after 2? I would've just like to heat Peter mention something about him, maybe to Connors or in his opening speech.

So because they feel the need to introduce new characters, they should remove those who's plots haven't been finished and are "meaningless"? I'm sorry but John was pissed when MJ left him, you saw his face at the wedding, you'd think that there would be something to do with him in 3? Clearly he could find out who MJ was with, why she left etc. Why would John just let her move on with someone else, and walkout on the wedding without an explanation?

Not that I'd want this in the film, but I'd always wondered how this conversation would go. "So Pete you really are Spider-Man huh? Why is it that you dress up in spandex, and have these incredible powers? What kind of freak are you?" LOL just messin t:

I was also disappointed that the city all of a sudden loved Spider-Man. In the first two movies, over a span of a few years, everyone was against him, and all of a sudden, in a span of 3 monthsm everyone loves him. I would've been okay if maybe they awarded him for saving all of New York from Doc Ock's threat, at least that way there's continuity in the fact that New York would've crumbled if it weren't for Spidey.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE fan of the series and the films themselves, its just that 3 came up a lil short and felt weird for me. It really is hard to describe. Wish I could put it into words. Sorry lol

 

[The Joker]

Yes, I did notice the headline. But you'd think Peter would say something about him, I mean wasn't 3 sposed to take place only a few months after 2? I would've just like to heat Peter mention something about him, maybe to Connors or in his opening speech.

And say what? "Hey, remember your pal Otto, and my scientific idol, went nuts with those tentacles, and nearly destroyed the city?". Did anyone ever mention The Green Goblin after SM-1? Not Norman, but the Goblin? Aunt May mention the whacko who attacked her in her bedroom? MJ mention the guy who threw her off a bridge? No. Why should they? It's not necessary.

Same as Ock didn't need a shout out in SM-3. He was in the opening credits, and on Jameson's office wall. More than enough.

So because they feel the need to introduce new characters, they should remove those who's plots haven't been finished and are "meaningless"?

What do you mean not finished? John was only there to serves as the other guy. Same as Gwen was only the other woman. The spanner in the works for the Peter/MJ drama.

Nothing more. The only purpose he'd serve in 3 is to give MJ an ear bashing.

Why would John just let her move on with someone else, and walkout on the wedding without an explanation?

Ever think that maybe she explained it in that card she left him? Or they talked on the phone the next day? Or next week?

It didn't matter. The audience didn't give a s*** about John. He was a nothing character. Had about 5 lines in the whole movie.

I was also disappointed that the city all of a sudden loved Spider-Man. In the first two movies, over a span of a few years, everyone was against him, and all of a sudden, in a span of 3 monthsm everyone loves him.

Sudden?

When he saves the two kids from being run over by the truck, you hear someone shouting "Way to go Spidey". When he catches that Police car in his webbing from hitting the crowd of people, they cheer him, and one shouts "Go, Spidey, GO!".
When he quits being Spider-Man, violin lady is singing a song asking where he is. The newspapers talk about crime increase, and wonder where Spider-Man is. The kid Henry helping Aunt May pack her stuff away asks where Spidey is. The people on the train that he saved love him.

I don't even need to mention the bridge full of people in SM-1, that defended him from Goblin.

There was no all of a sudden love. It was very much there all along.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE fan of the series and the films themselves, its just that 3 came up a lil short and felt weird for me. It really is hard to describe. Wish I could put it into words. Sorry lol

I agree that 3 was the weakest of the lot. I just don't understand your other complaints.

 

[batman11]

And say what? "Hey, remember your pal Otto, and my scientific idol, went nuts with those tentacles, and nearly destroyed the city?". Did anyone ever mention The Green Goblin after SM-1? Not Norman, but the Goblin? Aunt May mention the whacko who attacked her in her bedroom? MJ mention the guy who threw her off a bridge? No. Why should they? It's not necessary.

Same as Ock didn't need a shout out in SM-3. He was in the opening credits, and on Jameson's office wall. More than enough.

I agree with you there you're right. I guess...I dunno what I wanted.

What do you mean not finished? John was only there to serves as the other guy. Same as Gwen was only the other woman. The spanner in the works for the Peter/MJ drama.

Nothing more. The only purpose he'd serve in 3 is to give MJ an ear bashing.



Ever think that maybe she explained it in that card she left him? Or they talked on the phone the next day? Or next week?

It didn't matter. The audience didn't give a s*** about John. He was a nothing character. Had about 5 lines in the whole movie.

I gave a sh** about John lol. But seriously, I just thought he wasn't wrapped up well. Plus, he's JJJ's son, so if he and MJ mulled things over, you'd think JJJ would find out. Wouldn't he then act at least a little differently to Peter?

Sudden?

When he saves the two kids from being run over by the truck, you hear someone shouting "Way to go Spidey". When he catches that Police car in his webbing from hitting the crowd of people, they cheer him, and one shouts "Go, Spidey, GO!".
When he quits being Spider-Man, violin lady is singing a song asking where he is. The newspapers talk about crime increase, and wonder where Spider-Man is. The kid Henry helping Aunt May pack her stuff away asks where Spidey is. The people on the train that he saved love him.

I don't even need to mention the bridge full of people in SM-1, that defended him from Goblin.

There was no all of a sudden love. It was very much there all along.

I agree again. You're right there was the love in each movie, and I'm going to correct myself now on the point I'm trying to make. When I said sudden, I meant to say Peter's cocky attitude was sudden. I would've loved to see a little more development with Peter, perhaps he gets so cocky he messes something up, someone gets hurt, whatever, and then he gets the black suit and he just doesn't care anymore. He goes around really beating people and just doesn't give a damn.

I agree that 3 was the weakest of the lot. I just don't understand your other complaints.

Sorry for writing in your quote. I would change it now but.......ehhh.

 

[The Joker]

I agree with you there you're right. I guess...I dunno what I wanted.

LOL! Well, at least you can admit it.

Although, it would have been nice at the Spider-Man day festival, when Gwen was giving her speech, that she also mentioned his saving many innocents from Green Goblin and Doc Ock.

Surely those heroic acts merit more of a mention, and a festival, than just saving Gwen. It wasn't essential that she mention it. But, it would have been nice.

I gave a sh** about John lol. But seriously, I just thought he wasn't wrapped up well. Plus, he's JJJ's son, so if he and MJ mulled things over, you'd think JJJ would find out. Wouldn't he then act at least a little differently to Peter?

Jameson's reaction when he saw his own son was jilted at the altar, was to stop the caterer from opening the caviar.

What do you think?

I agree again. You're right there was the love in each movie, and I'm going to correct myself now on the point I'm trying to make. When I said sudden, I meant to say Peter's cocky attitude was sudden. I would've loved to see a little more development with Peter, perhaps he gets so cocky he messes something up, someone gets hurt, whatever, and then he gets the black suit and he just doesn't care anymore. He goes around really beating people and just doesn't give a damn.

I think the cocky nature, as in his extreme confident nature he had, was due to the hardships he overcame in Spider-Man 2. He finally accepted the responsibility of being Spider-Man without seeing it as a curse like he did at the end of SM-1, and he finally has MJ.

Everything's coming up roses for him. He's bound to have more confidence due to that.

As for the effect of the black suit on him, the less said about that, the better.

Sorry for writing in your quote. I would change it now but.......ehhh.

No problem. It's not hard to copy and paste

 

[batman11]

LOL! Well, at least you can admit it.

Although, it would have been nice at the Spider-Man day festival, when Gwen was giving her speech, that she also mentioned his saving many innocents from Green Goblin and Doc Ock.

Surely those heroic acts merit more of a mention, and a festival, than just saving Gwen. It wasn't essential that she mention it. But, it would have been nice.



Jameson's reaction when he saw his own son was jilted at the altar, was to stop the caterer from opening the caviar.

What do you think?



I think the cocky nature, as in his extreme confident nature he had, was due to the hardhips he overcame in Spider-Man 2. He finally accepted the responsibility of being Spider-Man without seeing it as a curse like he did at the end of SM-1, and he finally has MJ.

Everything's coming up roses for him. He's bound to have more confidence due to that.

As for the effect of the black suit on him, the less said about that, the better.



No problem. It's not hard to copy and paste

Yup I admitted it.

And yeah that's exactly what I mean...some little tidbits or something, just to show that everything Spidey has done has been noticed.

Hehe yeah "Tell her not to open the caviar." LOL But it would've been funny if JJJ slipped in something about it, in a comical way. "Parker you fiancee stealing bum, you're late, Brockman here beat you to it." LOL t:

Black suit......oh man. The one thing we all were looking forward to was totally screwed up.

Hey, just because I didn't copy and paste, doesn't mean I can't.



Okay yes it does. t:

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Amen. While the first two Spideys may have taken themselves more seriously, they also dragged in parts. There were parts in both of the first two that almost put me to sleep (and I don't have a short attention span), but that didn't happen with the third movie. With all of its faults, I still found it much more entertaining than the other two.

I think that if they would have concentrated on Venom and cut Sandman out completely, this could have been the best Spidey yet. I really don't understand why Raimi decided to go with Sandman in the first place. I don't know about the comic book version, but the movie version wasn't interesting at all and seemed to be nothing more than a Clayface clone. Venom is much more interesting, IMO.

The first two Spidey films didn't drag in parts. They had very enjoyable scenes and were amazing films. Spidey3's amazingness raised the bar even higher, making this the best Comic Book/Superhero franchise ever.

As for cutting out Sandman, I don't think that would have been right. first of all, Sandman is one of the causes of the rage that was built up inside Peter. Peter was shocked because for 2 or 3 years, Peter thought the man who killed Uncle Ben was dead. Another reason, which I find is emotional and adds to the greatness of the film is how Sandman wants to cure his daughter. His main priority was to find a cure for his daughter and he was stoped by Spider-Man. Sandman was desperate for a cure but he had to steal money and be a criminal to get a cure. Here's anothe reason, which is not the last reason, but I don't really feel like naming them all. Sandman's effects were stunning and amazing. It looked so real and you can tell they put all their had wor kand effort into it.

By the way, Sandman in the Comic's was a criminal with really no backstory. He escaped from prison and swam to a beach, which was really a military testing site. Sandman also teamed up with Spidey a few times if I remember correctly.

As for Venom, he is DEFENITLEY an awesome Villian, and I really enjoyed, and loved him in the Comics, and in Spidey3.

 

[Uber Venom]

Spider-Man 1 & 2 were far from amazing. Spider-Man 3 raised the bar for box office sales (for comic book movies, at least), not in movie quality.