Does Spider-man 3 change your opinion of previous movies in the series?

[Eternalzero]

Spider-man 1 & 2.
- Coherent, character progression, drama..etc...

Sole purpose to set up #3.

Spider-man 3
-Random, Lack of cohesiveness, motives?, overall sucky.

So, it's like waiting for this HUGE THING. Lets introduce the badass black suit!! And what happens?????


...yeah, kind of kills the trilogy for me.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Spider-Man 1 & 2 were far from amazing. Spider-Man 3 raised the bar for box office sales (for comic book movies, at least), not in movie quality.

I digress about Spidey1 and Spidey2 being far from amazing, They were great films. Spidey3 raised the bar in movie quality as well. I know that a majority of people on here disagree, while a mjority do agree with me, but thats just the way I felt about the film.

 

[Venom 1988]

I know that a majority of people on here disagree, while a mjority do agree with me

That doesnt make any sense. You cant have two majorities, unless you were trying to say a minorty of people agree with you.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I give this film a 7/10. It could have easily gone up a whole point had they done something better with Sandman. Tying him into Peter Parker's personal life was completely unnecessary, he should have just been a ruthless thug. Killing uncle Ben, floating away after apologizing, such a mess. The character ruined a part of the entire film for me.

One thing I really did like though, is that they gave Peter some dignity(when he was outside of the symbiote suit). Before he got the black suit, he actually seemed to care about New York, was genuinely interested in being a hero instead of the guy who will only get out of bed to save his aunt or girlfriend.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

That's why it's a mess. And characters were underdeveloped because the script was rushed.

Well, you can call it that but I don’t believe the movie qualifies the term. I’d call it a mess if there were hundreds of plot holes, the characters weren’t taken seriously and the central story was practically none existent. SM3 was much better than that.
I never heard anything about Sony, Arad or Raimi to be troubled with the script because of the impending dead line or some other problems, like X3. It wasn’t rushed, it was poorly managed at best.
As for the film’s plot itself being rushed, past the introduction half of the movie it went on a steady pace IMO.

Of course you could. It's Spider-Man, not a complex political thriller

Heh, of course, I was just saying that because I once heard others complain that it was ‘confusing’ because it was ‘rushed’ and everything.

I really have to wonder at all the praise SM1 gets. "Wonderful"? "Amazing"?

Yeah, I'm wondering the same about SM2’s praise and SM3’s bashing.

Yeah, the action's nothing special, and Goblin is very visually unappealing. But, the writing's good. Solid origin story, and the Goblin feud is good, too.

Yeah, that’s some of what I would’ve said.

Though I'm not in love with SM2, its still a pretty good ,ovie and I dont even believe that you dont like it. Stop lyin'.

LOL! Trust me, he's serious. I don't agree with his reasons for disliking it, but he is serious, nonetheless.

Well, the thing is - I tend to bottom-line my opinions about a movie over time after several viewings, let it sink in. And it just so happens that every time I think of SM1 I think about its good parts but with SM2 the bad always seems to overweight the good. Same with SM3, I haven’t had much of the thing so far but I’m willing to give it a chance. I don’t know maybe my opinion about it will also turn around 180 degrees over time. We’ll see.
For the record, I still believe SM2 has the best action sequences in the entire trilogy.

I must admit, sitting on my own it's fine, but when I got with my current girlfriend I introduced her to the Spidey films (before introducing her to my mother, come on, priorities) and when we watched the first Spidey I did actually cringe a few times. I can handle the cheese, but when you are aware of a non fan watching it -- wanting them to like it -- it was kinda embarrassing.

Aww, that's too bad. So what did your girlfriend thought of it?

Spidey 3 did change my opinion on Spider-Man 2 because for me SM2 felt WAY out of place, and I feel that SM1 and SM3 are the best out of the 3.

Agreed.

Spider-man 3
-Random, Lack of cohesiveness, motives?, overall sucky.

I wholeheartedly disagree...damn!
‘Random’? Wow, that’s more uncalled for than ‘mess’ and ‘rush’.
Nickelodeon is ‘random’, SM3 had a specific direction with comprehensible events.

 

[UltimateJustin]

Well, you can call it that but I don’t believe the movie qualifies the term. I’d call it a mess if there were hundreds of plot holes, the characters weren’t taken seriously and the central story was practically none existent. SM3 was much better than that.
I never heard anything about Sony, Arad or Raimi to be troubled with the script because of the impending dead line or some other problems, like X3. It wasn’t rushed, it was poorly managed at best.
As for the film’s plot itself being rushed, past the introduction half of the movie it went on a steady pace IMO.


Heh, of course, I was just saying that because I once heard others complain that it was ‘confusing’ because it was ‘rushed’ and everything.


Yeah, I'm wondering the same about SM2’s praise and SM3’s bashing.


Yeah, that’s some of what I would’ve said.



Well, the thing is - I tend to bottom-line my opinions about a movie over time after several viewings, let it sink in. And it just so happens that every time I think of SM1 I think about its good parts but with SM2 the bad always seems to overweight the good. Same with SM3, I haven’t had much of the thing so far but I’m willing to give it a chance. I don’t know maybe my opinion about it will also turn around 180 degrees over time. We’ll see.
For the record, I still believe SM2 has the best action sequences in the entire trilogy.


Aww, that's too bad. So what did your girlfriend thought of it?


Agreed.


I wholeheartedly disagree...damn!
‘Random’? Wow, that’s more uncalled for than ‘mess’ and ‘rush’.
Nickelodeon is ‘random’, SM3 had a specific direction with comprehensible events.

SM3 wasnt random, it was busy. Although Adult Swim is much more random than Nick. There is ALOT of substance to Unfabulous beneath the surface. And some seasons of Zoey 101 have proven quite compelling on repeat viewings.

 

[Mr Jide]

I must admit, sitting on my own it's fine, but when I got with my current girlfriend I introduced her to the Spidey films (before introducing her to my mother, come on, priorities) and when we watched the first Spidey I did actually cringe a few times. I can handle the cheese, but when you are aware of a non fan watching it -- wanting them to like it -- it was kinda embarrassing. In a way it was almost like introducing her to a family member that is slightly ******ed -- I felt defensive.

PS, I don't have a slightly ******ed family member . . . they are all fully ******ed.

LMAO, classic. t:

 

[Mr Jide]

SM1 and SM2 followed the exact same formula nearly and felt like nearly the same movie...3 was the sore thumb IMO.

Thats one of the many reasosn I dislike sm2 and rate it the worst of the 3 films. sm2 had a few elements that pretty much recycled elements of the first movie in a lazy, half-assed way. It lost so many points in originality alone.

 

[Blader5489]

SM1 and SM2 followed the exact same formula nearly and felt like nearly the same movie

And that's a good thing?

 

[Spidey17]

Oh really? And Spider-Man was way too crammed, thats for sure. If Venom is only in the last twenty minutes of a movie and not over half of it, they didn't utilize him properly. He's supposed to **** with Peters head, using MJ and Aunt May to get to him. And since when can Sandman fly?!? They need to erase that ****, along with him being the real killer. OMG, it was so tacked on.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

Oh really? And Spider-Man was way too crammed, thats for sure. If Venom is only in the last twenty minutes of a movie and not over half of it, they didn't utilize him properly. He's supposed to **** with Peters head, using MJ and Aunt May to get to him. And since when can Sandman fly?!? They need to erase that ****, along with him being the real killer. OMG, it was so tacked on.

First of all, what's with the 'oh really'? What are you referring to?
Second, Raimi utilized as much of Venom as he wanted to. The character wasn’t ‘supposed’ to do anything other than what Raimi wanted him to do. And Sandman doesn’t fly in the movie; he soars, just like a Gargoyle. It’s Raimi’s vision, his own opinion, he couldn’t and didn’t have to please every single moviegoer.
You didn’t like it, fine, nobody is forcing you to watch it again.

 

[The Joker]

And Sandman doesn’t fly in the movie; he soars, just like a Gargoyle.

Nonsense. He flew. He went thru the air in a sand cloud. He can even turns around buildings and stuff while flying. That's not soaring. That's flying thru the air.

I can't fathom how you can possibly dispute that.

It’s Raimi’s vision, his own opinion, he couldn’t and didn’t have to please every single moviegoer.

Maybe you should bear that in mind when complaining about Spider-Man 2

I agree with you, Spidey17. Movie 3 was too crammed, and the Sandman being Ben's killer was so tacky and forced.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

Nonsense. He flew. He went thru the air in a sand cloud. He can even turns around buildings and stuff while flying. That's not soaring. That's flying thru the air.
I can't fathom how you can possibly dispute that.

Flying is when you are taking an effort yourself to move through the air. Soaring is when you allow yourself to be carried by the current and that's what it looked like Sandman was doing, at least to me. All he had to do is steer in the direction he wanted to go, just like on a hang glider.

Maybe you should bear that in mind when complaining about Spider-Man 2

You do realise that I wouldn't have made that comment, if I didn't practice what I preached, right?
It's one thing to disagree with someone else's vision; it's another to tell someone what they should've done instead.
Notice the difference between comments like:
"Spider-Man 3 was stupid!"
and
"This is not how Spider-Man 3 should've been done!"

 

[The Joker]

Flying is when you are taking an effort yourself to move through the air. Soaring is when you allow yourself to be carried by the current and that's what it looked like Sandman was doing, at least to me. All he had to do is steer in the direction he wanted to go, just like on a hang glider.

Your theorey is flawed, because a hang glider is designed for that. Tons of sand do not soar or glide.

He was flying.

You do realise that I wouldn't have made that comment, if I didn't practice what I preached, right?
It's one thing to not agree with someone else's vision; it's another to tell someone what they should've done instead.

If you don't agree with someone's vision, then you're saying that's not how you think it should have been done. That it should have been done another way.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

Your theorey is flawed, because a hang glider is designed for that. Tons of sand do not soar or glide.
He was flying.

It all depends on density - the further Sandman keeps his grains of sand away from each other, the more air can pass through them, the lighter he gets.

If you don't agree with someone's vision, then you're saying that's not how you think it should have been done. That it should have been done another way.

No, one doesn't necessarily imply the other. Why would you think so?
Yes, everyone has their own opinion on how something should be done. That’s why we call them expectations. And it should stop right there. It's not our job to tell the chef how to cook the meal. We’re only here to enjoy it and we are free to like it or not based on our personal tastes.

 

[Eggyman]

When you have steak you are allowed to tell them how much to cook it . . .

 

[Mr Jide]

Fans bickering about sandman flying or soaring....hahaha, original but typical.

 

[UltimateJustin]

When you have steak you are allowed to tell them how much to cook it . . .

Steak is good.

I like it served with a little SPIDERMAN 3.

 

[Eggyman]

Ha! Too true.

I don't really want to comment on that because the distinction is so thin for a movie of this genre.

 

[Eggyman]

I agree, but hold the Superman Returns -- that stuff gives me the squitters LOL!

 

[ultimatefan]

I think the aspect of Spider-Man 3 that affects my overall view of the franchise is, unlike the first two, it didn´t feel like Raimi had a plan all the time. The twist of Sandman being involved in Bén´s death was clearly something they made up as they went along. That´s why I´m very optimistic about the final outcome of a Chris Nolan Batman trilogy, for I know him and Goyer made a basic "roadmap" for three or four movies, so they may not have such bumps in the road.

 

[Blader5489]

He's supposed to **** with Peters head, using MJ and Aunt May to get to him.

The Goblins had already done that, and more effectively too. Not just in the movies but in the comics as well.

 

[BlackSuitSpidey]

Thats one of the many reasosn I dislike sm2 and rate it the worst of the 3 films. sm2 had a few elements that pretty much recycled elements of the first movie in a lazy, half-assed way. It lost so many points in originality alone.

Finally!! Someone else dislikes SM2 as well. I'm glad I'm not the only one who didn't like it.

 

[The Joker]

The Goblins had already done that, and more effectively too. Not just in the movies but in the comics as well.

Isn't that the truth

Finally!! Someone else dislikes SM2 as well. I'm glad I'm not the only one who didn't like it.

We like to call you people minority

 

[BlackSuitSpidey]

Whatever suits you. I'm just saying that I didn't like it. That's all.