The Avengers Does The Avengers Create a Problem For the Marvel-verse Moving Forward?

[Matt]

Just a thought, how do you really separate the future movies now? For example, in the Cap 2, if he is taking on an army like Hydra (or some modern equivalent), why wouldn't he hop on the phone to Tony Stark and say, "Hey buddy, throw some backup my way?" Why would Tony sit on the sidelines and let Captain America handle a possible global catastrophe? How does Marvel work around this moving forward? What are your thoughts?

 

[Drummerdude7]

This has been discussed elsewhere, but Feige said they are planning the films in a way that will contain their heroes. For example, Tony will be isolated in IM3, Thor will be exploring the cosmos, and Cap might be busy during some mission. I'm sure in terms of time, all the movies will be taking place very close to one another, similar to IM2, Thor, and TIH.

 

[Matt]

This has been discussed elsewhere, but Feige said they are planning the films in a way that will contain their heroes. For example, Tony will be isolated in IM3, Thor will be exploring the cosmos, and Cap might be busy during some mission. I'm sure in terms of time, all the movies will be taking place very close to one another, similar to IM2, Thor, and TIH.

I see. But then don't you have the problem of having to explain it away in every movie? That could get tiresome and break the suspension of disbelief if Cap is always conveniently, "on a mission," when the Mandarin (just using an example) is trying to take over the world.

 

[Rock Sexton]

The simple answer is they will all be preoccupied.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Stark couldn't even get Pepper to answer a phone that was two feet away. How the hell is he going to get Thor to answer his phone from Muspelheim?

 

[Godzilla2000]

I'm thinking that when it comes to the chronological timeline everybody is going to be busy with their own antagonisms to have the time to be able to help one another.

 

[Drummerdude7]

I see. But then don't you have the problem of having to explain it away in every movie? That could get tiresome and break the suspension of disbelief if Cap is always conveniently, "on a mission," when the Mandarin (just using an example) is trying to take over the world.

Well you could say the same thing for the comics really....generally when the heroes are saving the world from their respective villains they don't always call up their respective fellow heroes. For example, in Extremis, Mallen was a huge threat, and Tony was actually told by several people to call the Avengers to assist him...but he didn't, out of pride and a need to atone for past actions. Sometimes it may be out of being preoccupied, other times it may be because the threat is small enough to be handled on its own. It's all relative really.

 

[POWdER-man]

The simple answer is they will all be preoccupied.

Pretty well, it is the same in comics, everyone is busy with their own affairs.

Plus just because a villain shows up doesn't mean he is "taking over the world". (ie Any of the SM movies, IM1 or 2, Thor, TIH). In some cases their actions might eventually affect the world but starting out their actions are more directly related to a certain area.

 

[Godzilla2000]

Stark couldn't even get Pepper to answer a phone that was two feet away. How the hell is he going to get Thor to answer his phone from Muspelheim?

I think the bigger question would be whether or not Thor would know how to operate a cell phone. Heck, I still haven't figured out this whole texting thing and sending files to and from my phone to my computer and back again.

 

[connor_in]

Why would it create a problem? All the Avengers don't show up in every Cap comic book or Iron Man or Thor or Hulk or Agents of Shield.

Sometimes some are available and sometimes they are not. In the comics, they can work together or alone, they can have team ups, or not. It is just accepted as a premise of the Universe.

 

[Kanon]

I don't see the problem. Probably there will some cameos and just that. Iron Man and Thor should consider themselves able to handle their own problems. Cap/SHIELD could call Stark for technological help...

 

[samsnee]

Pretty well, it is the same in comics, everyone is busy with their own affairs.

Plus just because a villain shows up doesn't mean he is "taking over the world". (ie Any of the SM movies, IM1 or 2, Thor, TIH). In some cases their actions might eventually affect the world but starting out their actions are more directly related to a certain area.

Exactly. Only Red Skull wanted world domination. All the other villains have been on a more personal scale, which is what they should keep doing. If IM3 is based on Extremis, then that is definitely more individual to Tony. There's nothing Cap or anyone else can really do to help him there.

People doubted that Marvel could do separate franchises leading up to one big franchise in the Avengers. Now that they have, people doubt that Marvel can go back to individual franchises. Let's just wait and see.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Also, the critical events in a given action movie tend to occur within a window of just a few hours (in character POV time) anyway, so it's not like Captain America will have the option of kicking back waiting for Iron Man to check his voicemail.

 

[iJackSparrow]

Who has said anything about Banner not showing up in Iron Man or Steve being mentioned and etc.? I don't think it breaks the suspension of disbelief at all, Thor is in Asgard, Banner could or not stay with Iron Man at The Avengers tower and etc.

It's quite easy to explain, actually. A movie is a moment this characters are going through, not a soap opera where you see where the characters are coming and going everyday.

 

[DACrowe]

Just a thought, how do you really separate the future movies now? For example, in the Cap 2, if he is taking on an army like Hydra (or some modern equivalent), why wouldn't he hop on the phone to Tony Stark and say, "Hey buddy, throw some backup my way?" Why would Tony sit on the sidelines and let Captain America handle a possible global catastrophe? How does Marvel work around this moving forward? What are your thoughts?

And there you have just landed on the problem of many superhero comics. Especially in Marvel where they all live in New York. How come with the city and/or world always on the brink of annihilation every couple of months in that it's usually only Spider-Man or the Fantastic Four or whoever working alone when Spidey, FF, Iron Man, the rest of the Avengers, Daredevil, and good large parts of SHIELD all share the same zip code?

To the Ultimate Universe's credit (and it does have many problems) you get the sense that the world is a little "smaller," as these guys are constantly tripping over each other as Nick Fury pulls the strings.

Thor 2 won't have this problem (I don't think), but IM3 and CA2 will just have to come up with explanations or ignore it like in the comics. If the MCU movie has a Spidey swinging around (which I like to think it does) why wasn't he at the final battle? I know some would point out that he's not in the MCU, but in the comics, an event like this (world-threatening alien invasion) is almost common and yet the Avengers handle it without any help from anyone else. Or the FF does and the Avengers are nowhere to be found. I'm just rambling now.

 

[Drummerdude7]

But then again, the comics have these heroes and teams showing up at any and all times. Take Wolverine for example...he's on 1000 different teams and manages to show up everywhere. I remember one humourous ad showing 7 days of the week, with Wolverine doing something different every day.

 

[Eddie Dean]

It's called suspension of disbelief.

 

[WildcatNC]

Does it create a problem or an opportunity?


Its a creative opportunity imo, and Marvel has been very competent in that regard so far.

 

[C. Lee]

Just a thought, how do you really separate the future movies now? For example, in the Cap 2, if he is taking on an army like Hydra (or some modern equivalent), why wouldn't he hop on the phone to Tony Stark and say, "Hey buddy, throw some backup my way?" Why would Tony sit on the sidelines and let Captain America handle a possible global catastrophe? How does Marvel work around this moving forward? What are your thoughts?

There's this guy by the name of James Bond....he is connected to a government agency that can muster hundreds of people to help him....plus call up that country's entire armed forces if need be....but most of the time he takes care of business on his own.

 

[cherokeesam]

Why would it create a problem? All the Avengers don't show up in every Cap comic book or Iron Man or Thor or Hulk or Agents of Shield.

Sometimes some are available and sometimes they are not. In the comics, they can work together or alone, they can have team ups, or not. It is just accepted as a premise of the Universe.

This.

Also, the MCU version of the Avengers, so far, is not a unified entity with an official "UN Charter" and bylaws and organization and so forth like 616 Avengers or Ultimates. The team broke up at the end of the movie, and Fury implies that they'll only get back together when they're really needed.

 

[TheVileOne]

It's the same problem in the comics. How does Clone Magneto destroy half of New York City when there are like 10 million superheroes that inhabit it?

 

[Drummerdude7]

It's the same problem in the comics. How does Clone Magneto destroy half of New York City when there are like 10 million superheroes that inhabit it?

You solve that problem by having real Magneto use Mjolnir to summon a tidal wave that kills half the superheroes in NYC t:

 

[iJackSparrow]

It's the same problem in the comics. How does Clone Magneto destroy half of New York City when there are like 10 million superheroes that inhabit it?

Or how come no one shoots Bane in his unprotected arms?

This is quite silly. Superman and Batman can exist in the same movieverse, be a part of Justice League and have their own story arcs. Just like Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, Hawkeye and Black Widow.

 

[Raiden]

There's this guy by the name of James Bond....he is connected to a government agency that can muster hundreds of people to help him....plus call up that country's entire armed forces if need be....but most of the time he takes care of business on his own.

Good example. I think Thor is the easily one here, since he's back in Asgard and I doubt they have a direct line to connect him to SHIELD. For IM and Cap, both will be involved in their own personal lives, as well as private battles (although I think Cap will be involved with SHIELD probably), and I doubt the audience will be so ignorant that they can't tell solo movies from The Avengers movie. They will soon get used to this bold new direction from Marvel, and counting down the months when all of them will be reunited once again to take to save the world in TA2.

 

[Mr.?]

The way I see it they'll want to take care of their own problems. For example Iron Man is fighting someone. It makes more sense to me for Iron Man to take care of the threat himself because he would realize the other heros are off doing things just as important as he is.