Logan Does the events of "Logan" ruin "Days of Future Past" for you?

[2kt09]

Did they ever address how Xavier is alive at the end of The Wolverine, or how he gets his adamantium claws back for the future portion of DOFP?

Not in The Wolverine
Magneto would be the easiest off-camera explanation for how he got his adamantium claws back.

 

[fancyarcher]

Nah! Given the X-Men film's continuity, I'm not even sure Logan takes place in the same continuity as DOFP, or at least if it does it ignores a lot of things.

In any event, it takes place way into the future, for it to real effect DOFP's overall story, anyway.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Yeah that is my impression too. After DOFP, we can assume things happened similarly to the OT unless it is directly contradicted.

I wouldn't be shocked if alot it was slowly contradicted as the films go on.

With logan i can see it being a lack of communicating with how the whole timeline thing is working out.

 

[Mutant 77]

Options:

1- "Logan" is a standalone universe.
2- "Logan" is part of Timeline 1, not Timeline 3.

That's it.

 

[Pennywise]

Nope, I see it simply as standalone story that happens to feature Wolverine and Xavier.

 

[Stan Lee]

"There’s a theory in quantum physics that time is immutable. It’s like a river – you can throw a pebble in and create a ripple, but the current always corrects itself. No matter what you do the river just keeps flowing in the same direction . . . What if the war is inevitable? What if she's meant to kill Trask? What if this is simply who she is?"

-Hank McCoy

 

[marvelrobbins]

"There’s a theory in quantum physics that time is immutable. It’s like a river – you can throw a pebble in and create a ripple, but the current always corrects itself. No matter what you do the river just keeps flowing in the same direction . . . What if the war is inevitable? What if she's meant to kill Trask? What if this is simply who she is?"

-Hank McCoy

very truet:

 

[GuestStar2004]

"There’s a theory in quantum physics that time is immutable. It’s like a river – you can throw a pebble in and create a ripple, but the current always corrects itself. No matter what you do the river just keeps flowing in the same direction . . . What if the war is inevitable? What if she's meant to kill Trask? What if this is simply who she is?"

-Hank McCoy

I don't think anything is set in stone so no matter what Logan says the later X-Men movies will either be on the same page as it or contradict certain elements of it.

Doesn't stop the movie being a good movie and also doesn't necessarily stop the idea of continuation.

 

[MarvelU]

No, the X-Men comics are the same way. If one future is fixed, something is probably gonna happen to mess up the "fixed" future. Also in DOFP future with Sentinels, most humans and mutants were wiped out and the world looked abandoned. In Logan future there might not be many mutants left, but not all of humanity is nearly wiped, like in DOFP future. Its still a crappy future for mutants, but this is X-Men, when are they actually ever in a happy future?

 

[Enriquespy]

Or Logan can simply be a "possible future".

 

[jaymes_e06]

There is also the theory that Logan imagined the happy ending and it really didn't happen at all.

 

[Stan Lee]

No, the X-Men comics are the same way. If one future is fixed, something is probably gonna happen to mess up the "fixed" future. Also in DOFP future with Sentinels, most humans and mutants were wiped out and the world looked abandoned. In Logan future there might not be many mutants left, but not all of humanity is nearly wiped, like in DOFP future. Its still a crappy future for mutants, but this is X-Men, when are they actually ever in a happy future?

Humans were still in control of the sentinels. You're thinking of the comic version.

 

[Golgo-13]

Not in The Wolverine
Magneto would be the easiest off-camera explanation for how he got his adamantium claws back.

The same way the after credit scene in X3 explain why Xavier is still alive.

Fox and co. obviously don't care about plot holes and continuity. At the end of DOFP, Mystique, disguised as Stryker, gets Wolverine out of the river, yet in Apocalyse he's imprisoned in the Weapon X program. All they had to do is not show Stryker with yellow/Mystique eyes and that scene would mesh with him being in Weapon X in Apocalyse.

 

[MarvelU]

Humans were still in control of the sentinels. You're thinking of the comic version.

I think in the beginning they said only the worst of humanity were in control of the sentinels. Many humans and mutants were in camps or dead. This was explained in the beginning of the movie and by Wolverine. Wolverine said that Sentinels first targeted mutants then they began targeting people who have potential to pass the xgene aka "humans".

 

[Stan Lee]

The same way the after credit scene in X3 explain why Xavier is still alive.

Fox and co. obviously don't care about plot holes and continuity. At the end of DOFP, Mystique, disguised as Stryker, gets Wolverine out of the river, yet in Apocalyse he's imprisoned in the Weapon X program. All they had to do is not show Stryker with yellow/Mystique eyes and that scene would mesh with him being in Weapon X in Apocalyse.

That's because Logan went into the military and met Stryker. This was all explained in the previous films and implied in LOGAN with the presence of the military identification tags.

There is really no reason to think that Mystique saving him from drowning does anything to stop him from meeting Stryker the same way he did in the old timeline.

I think in the beginning they said only the worst of humanity were in control of the sentinels. Many humans and mutants were in camps or dead. This was explained in the beginning of the movie and by Wolverine. Wolverine said that Sentinels first targeted mutants then they began targeting people who have potential to pass the xgene aka "humans".

And not all humans have the X-gene.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Nope, I see it simply as standalone story that happens to feature Wolverine and Xavier.

It's not entirely stand-alone as that it does reference at least the first X-Men film with the mentions of Logan cage fighting and the battle of the Statue of Liberty.

There are some less overt nods to the other films but the connection to X1 at least was overt.

 

[DACrowe]

This sums up trying to make sense of continuity. Start at 0:25 -

 

[Mutant 77]

That's because Logan went into the military and met Stryker. This was all explained in the previous films and implied in LOGAN with the presence of the military identification tags.

There is really no reason to think that Mystique saving him from drowning does anything to stop him from meeting Stryker the same way he did in the old timeline.

It's incredible how painfully big is the amount of people who don't get a simple concept as this. Terrible.

Do you really think James Logan has been held captive by William Stryker for 10 YEARS???? 1973-1983?

Mystique just freed him at the end of DOFP. So he lived his life as always for 10 years.
Then...
He was TRULY captured by the real William Stryker in 1982 or so. I would say 6 months before the events of "Apocalypse" (1983).

 

[Legion]

It's incredible how painfully big is the amount of people who don't get a simple concept as this. Terrible.

Do you really think James Logan has been held captive by William Stryker for 10 YEARS???? 1973-1983?

Mystique just freed him at the end of DOFP. So he lived his life as always for 10 years.
Then...
He was TRULY captured by the real William Stryker in 1982 or so. I would say 6 months before the events of "Apocalypse" (1983).

What YOU don't seem to understand is that DoFP is a time travel story and it's heavily implied that history was changed and events will not transpire the way we expect. Mystique rescuing Logan disguised as Stryker is an example of this.

Sure 10 years is a long time. You can imagine many events occurring during that time. It's not good story telling though.

 

[Stan Lee]

What YOU don't seem to understand is that DoFP is a time travel story and it's heavily implied that history was changed and events will not transpire the way we expect. Mystique rescuing Logan disguised as Stryker is an example of this.

Sure 10 years is a long time. You can imagine many events occurring during that time. It's not good story telling though.

You sure about that? After what Hank said that film about time being immutable? After this film?

 

[marvelrobbins]

You sure about that? After what Hank said that film about time being immutable? After this film?

Kinberg has said more than once some things from original trilogy still happen.and that ending of DOFP show the school and X-Men still come together like in original trilogy.Logan suggests some things from first X-Men film still happen in new timeline.on apocalypse special features singer kind of joked maybe apocalypse is a prequel to X-Men

wolverine role in Apocalypse was besides having Hugh Jackman one last time in flagship X-Men film was to say some things still happen.

 

[GuestStar2004]

We won't know any of this until the films progress further.

 

[Legion]

You sure about that? After what Hank said that film about time being immutable? After this film?

Yes. If time was immutable they couldn't have changed Raven's mind about killing Trask. That's why he proposed that theory. It adds doubt in the mind of the viewer if the mission has any chance of succeeding.

There are no sentinels in the future. Scott and Jean who we know should be dead are alive in the future due to knowledge Logan shared with Xavier. Xavier gives a closing monologue about how the future is never truly set while Logan is being pulled out of the water by Mystique.

If by "this movie" you mean Logan,what happens in Logan has no bearing on the ending of DoFP as Logan had a different creative team and Mangold has said multiple times he disn't want to be tied down by the previous films.

 

[psylockolussus]

There is also the theory that Logan imagined the happy ending and it really didn't happen at all.

Really? I think that ruins Dofp even more than Logan the movie if that's the case.

 

[Stan Lee]

Yes. If time was immutable they couldn't have changed Raven's mind about killing Trask. That's why he proposed that theory. It adds doubt in the mind of the viewer if the mission has any chance of succeeding.

There are no sentinels in the future. Scott and Jean who we know should be dead are alive in the future due to knowledge Logan shared with Xavier. Xavier gives a closing monologue about how the future is never truly set while Logan is being pulled out of the water by Mystique:

If by "this movie" you mean Logan,what happens in Logan has no bearing on the ending of DoFP as Logan had a different creative team and Mangold has said multiple times he disn't want to be tied down by the previous films.

In that scene Hank was questioning if the war itself was inevitable, he says that before even mentioning Mystique. The main question was is humanity destined to screw over mutantkind. Who Mystique is as a person was secondary. Even the intro of the movie asked this question.

"The future: a dark, desolate world. A world of war, suffering, loss on both sides. Mutants, and the humans who dared to help them, fighting an enemy we cannot defeat. Are we destined down this path, destined to destroy ourselves like so many species before us? Or can we evolve fast enough to change ourselves... change our fate? Is the future truly set?"

A delete scene from DOFP showed that the only reason the sentinel program was shut down was because Nixon saw them as ineffective against Mutants and wanted to fight them with other Mutants(possibly alluding to Weapon X since Stryker is there). Hinting that many people were still going to have it out for Mutants, just without Sentinels.

In Apocalypse(which is by the same creative team) gives us an answer. Humanity still hates and fears Mutants, using Mutants as gladiators, and ends with mutants being a controversial topic like in X1. With Magneto and Xavier having the same exact conversation from word for word.

So it seems like this was always their answer. Which isn't surprising considering the X-Men comics(including the original Day of Future Past), 90s show, and Wolverine and the X-Men play with this time travel trope of time being immutable. Just when things start to look good, you found out that there is still a dark future, it's just a bit different.

Singer was certainly down with the premise of LOGAN. Since according to Kinberg the Weapon X scene in Apocalypse was there to set-up the events of that film and you can see Wolverine kill a bunch of scientists if you rewatch it.

Mangold does play with the idea of time being immutable too by implying that the events of "The Wolverine" went down in the new timeline with the presence of the katana in Logan's room.